Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Katzenstaat]

If Islam is factually accurate then no separate atheistic universe containing all humans in which atheism is factually accurate exists.

Vice versa.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Freed from what? I like being Muslim. And submission and obedience to Allah (SWT) is not something I need or even want to be freed from.

There is almost certainly no Allah based on available evidence. I'm sorry.

Absolute submission and obedience are inherently unhealthy and anyone who believes in that BS is de facto enslaved.

Evidence such as what?

[Thermodolia]

If Islam is factually accurate then no separate atheistic universe containing all humans in which atheism is factually accurate exists.

Vice versa.

Well Islam isn't accurate by any means but that's a topic for another day

[Katzenstaat]

As usual refusing to respond rationally is de facto conceding that one's ideas have few merits.

[Genivaria]

There is almost certainly no Allah based on available evidence. I'm sorry.

Absolute submission and obedience are inherently unhealthy and anyone who believes in that BS is de facto enslaved.

Evidence such as what?

Well I would've mentioned the LACK of evidence but I think Katzen is getting a tad bit ahead of himself.

[The Land of Home]

You say that they stand against what America stands for but, what does America stand for... the answer is of course, DEPENDENT ON WHO YOU ASK.
We all have a personal idea of what the United States stands for, some believe it stands for freedom, some believe it stands for order and security, some believe it stands for the good of the population, some believe America stands against them specifically, some believe America stands for the Jews or Lizard people, some believe America stands for Large foods, some for greed, some for generosity, some for power, and some for weakness. There are so many conflicting ideas of what America stands for, so when you claim that someone's ideas are irreconcilable with what America stands for, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

TLDR:At the end of the day what people believe or think does not matter, it's what they do that matters. If what they do is causing massive problems for other people, then someone will probably step in and stop them, if it's not causing any problems then it is fine. Stop worrying about what others believe, and start thinking about what you can do to make sure your actions aren't causing problems.

[Katzenstaat]

There is almost certainly no Allah based on available evidence. I'm sorry.

Absolute submission and obedience are inherently unhealthy and anyone who believes in that BS is de facto enslaved.

Evidence such as what?

Evidence that Allah exists?

If Allah exists no other deity humanity or aliens have ever worshipped can exist. That's a very strong statement.

If the possibility of an individual deity existing a priori is the same then the possibility of Islam (or Christianity) being correct is very low.

[Genivaria]

"AntiAmerican" You say. What is AntiAmerican? Is who harms the American populace? Is it one who Harms the Nation of America? Is it someone who goes against the notions of what America Stands for? There are many, many people who have harmed the American populace but have still been considered American, policemen, generals, leaders, doctors, politicians, etc. There are many people who objectively harmed the Nation of America but can still be considered American. Edward Snowden committed treason against the U.S government by releasing confidential information, but his treason was for the benefit of millions of Americans. Our government was using security as a shield to protect itself from criticism, and this man took that shield away. Is he AntiAmerican? Maybe he's uberAmerican, in the end it depends on who you ask. What are the current ideals of America anyways, what does America stand for... the answer is of course, DEPENDENT ON WHO YOU ASK. We all have a personal idea of what the United States, some believe it stands for freedom, some believe it stands for order and security, some believe it stands for the good of the population, some believe America stands against them specifically, some believe America stands for the Jews, some believe America stands for Large foods, some for greed, some for generosity, some for power, and some for weakness. There are so many conflicting ideas of what America stands for, so when you claim that someone's ideas are irreconcilable with what America stands for, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
TLDR:At the end of the day what people believe or think does not matter, it's what they do that matters. If what they do is causing massive problems for other people, then someone should step in and stop them, if it's not causing any problems then it is fine. Stop worrying about what others believe, and start thinking about what you can do to make sure your actions aren't causing problems.

Please fix that wall of text jesus what even is a paragraph.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Evidence such as what?

Well I would've mentioned the LACK of evidence but I think Katzen is getting a tad bit ahead of himself.

Then that would be an argument from silence which is a logical fallacy.

Evidence such as what?

Evidence that Allah exists?

If Allah exists no other deity humanity or aliens have ever worshipped can exist. That's a very strong statement.

If the possibility of an individual deity existing a priori is the same then the possibility of Islam (or Christianity) being correct is very low.

You said that there was evidence that there was no Allah. Or you worded your statement poorly.

[Thermodolia]

"AntiAmerican" You say. What is AntiAmerican? Is who harms the American populace? Is it one who Harms the Nation of America? Is it someone who goes against the notions of what America Stands for? There are many, many people who have harmed the American populace but have still been considered American, policemen, generals, leaders, doctors, politicians, etc. There are many people who objectively harmed the Nation of America but can still be considered American. Edward Snowden committed treason against the U.S government by releasing confidential information, but his treason was for the benefit of millions of Americans. Our government was using security as a shield to protect itself from criticism, and this man took that shield away. Is he AntiAmerican? Maybe he's uberAmerican, in the end it depends on who you ask. What are the current ideals of America anyways, what does America stand for... the answer is of course, DEPENDENT ON WHO YOU ASK. We all have a personal idea of what the United States, some believe it stands for freedom, some believe it stands for order and security, some believe it stands for the good of the population, some believe America stands against them specifically, some believe America stands for the Jews, some believe America stands for Large foods, some for greed, some for generosity, some for power, and some for weakness. There are so many conflicting ideas of what America stands for, so when you claim that someone's ideas are irreconcilable with what America stands for, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.
TLDR:At the end of the day what people believe or think does not matter, it's what they do that matters. If what they do is causing massive problems for other people, then someone should step in and stop them, if it's not causing any problems then it is fine. Stop worrying about what others believe, and start thinking about what you can do to make sure your actions aren't causing problems.

Please fix that wall of text jesus what even is a paragraph.

At least it's not a run-on sentence

[Kubumba Tribe]

"AntiAmerican" You say. What is AntiAmerican? Is who harms the American populace? Is it one who Harms the Nation of America? Is it someone who goes against the notions of what America Stands for? There are many, many people who have harmed the American populace but have still been considered American, policemen, generals, leaders, doctors, politicians, etc. There are many people who objectively harmed the Nation of America but can still be considered American. Edward Snowden committed treason against the U.S government by releasing confidential information, but his treason was for the benefit of millions of Americans. Our government was using security as a shield to protect itself from criticism, and this man took that shield away. Is he AntiAmerican? Maybe he's uberAmerican, in the end it depends on who you ask. What are the current ideals of America anyways, what does America stand for... the answer is of course, DEPENDENT ON WHO YOU ASK. We all have a personal idea of what the United States, some believe it stands for freedom, some believe it stands for order and security, some believe it stands for the good of the population, some believe America stands against them specifically, some believe America stands for the Jews, some believe America stands for Large foods, some for greed, some for generosity, some for power, and some for weakness. There are so many conflicting ideas of what America stands for, so when you claim that someone's ideas are irreconcilable with what America stands for, you don't have a clue what you're talking about.

You have a point, but what the US stands for can be found in the constitution.

TLDR:At the end of the day what people believe or think does not matter, it's what they do that matters. If what they do is causing massive problems for other people, then someone will probably step in and stop them, if it's not causing any problems then it is fine. Stop worrying about what others believe, and start thinking about what you can do to make sure your actions aren't causing problems.

Haqq

[Genivaria]

Well I would've mentioned the LACK of evidence but I think Katzen is getting a tad bit ahead of himself.

Then that would be an argument from silence which is a logical fallacy.

Argument from silence?
Never heard that phrase but no that's not what I mean't.
The time to believe something is after evidence has been provided not before.

[Genivaria]

Please fix that wall of text jesus what even is a paragraph.

At least it's not a run-on sentence

I was having a seizure bite me.

[Kubumba Tribe]

Well I would've mentioned the LACK of evidence but I think Katzen is getting a tad bit ahead of himself.

Then that would be an argument from silence which is a logical fallacy.

Evidence that Allah exists?

If Allah exists no other deity humanity or aliens have ever worshipped can exist. That's a very strong statement.

If the possibility of an individual deity existing a priori is the same then the possibility of Islam (or Christianity) being correct is very low.

You said that there was evidence that there was no Allah. Or you worded your statement poorly.

He said that there's almost no evidence that Allah (SWT) exists.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Then that would be an argument from silence which is a logical fallacy.

Argument from silence?
Never heard that phrase but no that's not what I mean't.
The time to believe something is after evidence has been provided not before.

Argument from silence is basing a conclusion on a lack of evidence, rather than evidence.

[Aellex]

Prove Christianity/Islam, Abrahamic believers. If you can't you are irrational and we should not believe any of your ideas that originated from such beliefs.

Probatio Diabolica. There is no need to prove Christianity given there is enough evidences from the Bible and traditions for one to reasonably believe in It. It's therefore up to you to actually find sufficient evidences to disprove it. Please do go ahead.

[Genivaria]

Then that would be an argument from silence which is a logical fallacy.


You said that there was evidence that there was no Allah. Or you worded your statement poorly.

He said that there's almost no evidence that Allah (SWT) exists.

I'd generally agree that religion in general doesn't have much in the way of evidence yes.

[The Land of Home]

Edits have been made, I cut out most of the unimportant nonsense and made it relatively clear and concise. Proper writing takes time and effort and I rarely have either at my disposal.

[Genivaria]

Argument from silence?
Never heard that phrase but no that's not what I mean't.
The time to believe something is after evidence has been provided not before.

Argument from silence is basing a conclusion on a lack of evidence, rather than evidence.

Well specifically it's about lack of documentation.
And I wasn't the one drawing a conclusion based on lack of evidence, Kazten was.
That's why I said he was getting ahead of himself.

[Katzenstaat]

Well I would've mentioned the LACK of evidence but I think Katzen is getting a tad bit ahead of himself.

Then that would be an argument from silence which is a logical fallacy.

Evidence that Allah exists?

If Allah exists no other deity humanity or aliens have ever worshipped can exist. That's a very strong statement.

If the possibility of an individual deity existing a priori is the same then the possibility of Islam (or Christianity) being correct is very low.

You said that there was evidence that there was no Allah. Or you worded your statement poorly.

My claim that there is almost certainly no Allah is based on the claim above.

I didn't say that there is any positive evidence that Allah does not exist. This is possible though. For example any evidence in support of the existence of any non-Abrahamic deity is by definition evidence against Allah's existence. Any evidence against specific Qur'anic claims also makes the possibility of Allah existing lower than before.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Argument from silence is basing a conclusion on a lack of evidence, rather than evidence.

Well specifically it's about lack of documentation.
And I wasn't the one drawing a conclusion based on lack of evidence, Kazten was.
That's why I said he was getting ahead of himself.

I know, Gen :P

[Genivaria]

Then that would be an argument from silence which is a logical fallacy.


You said that there was evidence that there was no Allah. Or you worded your statement poorly.

My claim that there is almost certainly no Allah is based on the claim above.

I didn't say that there is any positive evidence that Allah does not exist. This is possible though. For example any evidence in support of the existence of any non-Abrahamic deity is by definition evidence against Allah's existence.

We don't really have that either.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Then that would be an argument from silence which is a logical fallacy.


You said that there was evidence that there was no Allah. Or you worded your statement poorly.

My claim that there is almost certainly no Allah is based on the claim above.

I didn't say that there is any positive evidence that Allah does not exist. This is possible though. For example any evidence in support of the existence of any non-Abrahamic deity is by definition evidence against Allah's existence.

Or maybe non-Abrahamic deities are simply people trying to understand Allah but not being able to reach a proper conclusion? People stray and become confused.

[Thermodolia]

Edits have been made, I cut out most of the unimportant nonsense and made it relatively clear and concise. Proper writing takes time and effort and I rarely have either at my disposal.

It's still a block of text. How about you try making a new paragraph every three sentences or so?

[Genivaria]

My claim that there is almost certainly no Allah is based on the claim above.

I didn't say that there is any positive evidence that Allah does not exist. This is possible though. For example any evidence in support of the existence of any non-Abrahamic deity is by definition evidence against Allah's existence.

Or maybe non-Abrahamic deities are simply people trying to understand Allah but not being able to reach a proper conclusion? People stray and become confused.

Regardless, whether or not Allah exists is not the topic.