Is Diversity and Multiculturalism a Good or Bad Thing?

[Tekeristan]

What you fundamentally don't understand is that this is a scientific question not an ideological question. You get to choose whether you support the death penalty or not. In principle, you (or at least someone) get to choose whether there will be one or not. You don't get to choose how intelligent people are. It is a fact of the universe which you can measure correctly or incorrectly, and then choose to respond to intelligently or not.

So, IQ doesn't change in people? I thought they fluctuate.

I.Q does change, do not listen to him and his beliefs which were literally developed in in earlier centuries, and in terribly made studies in the 60's.
Seriously, psychologists do not debate this.

[San Lumen]

How is allowing people from Africa, Asia and the middle east to immigrate to Europe destroying it?

Gee I wonder what letting nations within nations does? I suppose you see nothing wrong with Erdogan telling Turks in Germany how to vote or blackmailing them. That beside, they are also weak now, an unforgivable crime in the international arena. It invites destruction.

and when did he do that? How are they weak?

Gee I wonder what letting nations within nations does? I suppose you see nothing wrong with Erdogan telling Turks in Germany how to vote or blackmailing them. That beside, they are also weak now, an unforgivable crime in the international arena. It invites destruction.

Look what happened to France, Britain, and Germany, in terms of terrorist attacks.

And many Muslims in France, Britain and Germany do not support the radical views of ISIS. Its amazing to me how whenever a discussion about diversity and multiculturalism people always bring it back to Islam.

[Reformed Corea]

So, IQ doesn't change in people? I thought they fluctuate.

I.Q does change, do not listen to him and his beliefs which were literally developed in in earlier centuries, and in terribly made studies in the 60's.
Seriously, psychologists do not debate this.

Just as figured.

[Austrasien]

Are they migrants/immigrants/refugees?
Do they have access to the same levels of education, do they participate in such?
Do they make up a class or group that puts less emphasis on education as a standard?

You seem very intent on making this a very simple issue when, in fact, it is not. The people who actually study this stuff, and brains, you know what they say?
We have little idea on how the brain actually works. You're not an expert on IQ's, because then you would also know that this isn't how they are meant to be interpreted.
In addition, you also seem to imply that it's static: when it very well is not. Environmental factors play a much, much larger role than genetic factors do.

You're making yourself off to be an IQ fetishist, as if it means something.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritabil ... #Estimates

The heritable component of IQ is the single largest component. Adoption/twin studies make it possible to study the heritable component of traits like IQ in a controlled manner so it isn't some sort of cosmic mystery. That IQ, like virtually all human traits, has a very large heritable component is not disputable. On the other hand studies of environmental factors don't consistently show that socioeconomic status reduces the impact of heritability.

IQ may not be intelligence in the platonic sense but it is a measurable operationalization of intelligence which correlates well with commonly accepted metrics of success in modern societies, like income and educational achievement. One can say it does not really matter. One can also say it does not "really matter" if there is a racial disparity in income and educational achievement.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

What you fundamentally don't understand is that this is a scientific question not an ideological question. You get to choose whether you support the death penalty or not. In principle, you (or at least someone) get to choose whether there will be one or not. You don't get to choose how intelligent people are. It is a fact of the universe which you can measure correctly or incorrectly, and then choose to respond to intelligently or not.

What a fundamentally don't understand? Right. I just don't agree because I don't understand, got you.

You can, actually, change intelligence in people: it's called education. It's up to them but if the resources are there, they can do it, and people do get smarter. Surprising, isn't it? Did you know that more intelligent people, on your scale, actually voted favorably more against individuals such as Trump? Does that mean something?

You seem to think my logical chain goes something like:

1. I'm white
2. I want to invent ways I am awesome
3. I will make up a hierarchy of racial intelligences and put mine at the top

You literally think I accept or reject scientific results based on whether I find them agreeable emotionally. Because, I guess, that is what you and your whole faction does. But I don't. I literally am just trying to understand how the world works here.

Education doesn't change intelligence levels, it changes knowledge levels. More intelligent people get educated faster and ultimately more than less intelligent people.

[Reformed Corea]

What a fundamentally don't understand? Right. I just don't agree because I don't understand, got you.

You can, actually, change intelligence in people: it's called education. It's up to them but if the resources are there, they can do it, and people do get smarter. Surprising, isn't it? Did you know that more intelligent people, on your scale, actually voted favorably more against individuals such as Trump? Does that mean something?

You seem to think my logical chain goes something like:

1. I'm white
2. I want to invent ways I am awesome
3. I will make up a hierarchy of racial intelligences and put mine at the top

You literally think I accept or reject scientific results based on whether I find them agreeable emotionally. Because, I guess, that is what you and your whole faction does. But I don't. I literally am just trying to understand how the world works here.

Education doesn't change intelligence levels, it changes knowledge levels. More intelligent people get educated faster and ultimately more than less intelligent people.

Not really. Practice makes perfection.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

He flat out admitted he's a racist.[...]

I'd like you to present a quote, please.

[...]I gave examples of how he's wrong and all he does is go back to 19th century beliefs.[...]

It seemed to me that the majority of your attempts were mere character assassinations; the ones that were actual arguments were refuted to my knowledge.

[...] If you go to places like Sydney, London, Frankfurt, Toronto, or Jersey City you see how immigration, diversity and multiculturalism is a great thing.

>sydney
You're kidding right? Have you been to Sydney?

Also, I need only point to the Balkans; that should suffice in proving that multiculturalism and diversity doesn't always work.

[The East Marches II]

Gee I wonder what letting nations within nations does? I suppose you see nothing wrong with Erdogan telling Turks in Germany how to vote or blackmailing them. That beside, they are also weak now, an unforgivable crime in the international arena. It invites destruction.

and when did he do that? How are they weak?

Having to pay protection money to the Sultan, rolling over the Russians, refusing to stop the flow of migrants, no military and no diplomatic might. The list goes on. The Sultan did so just recently.

[Reformed Corea]

He flat out admitted he's a racist.[...]

I'd like you to present a quote, please.

[...]I gave examples of how he's wrong and all he does is go back to 19th century beliefs.[...]

It seemed to me that the majority of your attempts were mere character assassinations; the ones that were actual arguments were refuted to my knowledge.

[...] If you go to places like Sydney, London, Frankfurt, Toronto, or Jersey City you see how immigration, diversity and multiculturalism is a great thing.

>sydney
You're kidding right? Have you been to Sydney?

Also, I need only point to the Balkans; that should suffice in proving that multiculturalism and diversity doesn't always work.

It works in Canada.

[The East Marches II]

I'd like you to present a quote, please.



It seemed to me that the majority of your attempts were mere character assassinations; the ones that were actual arguments were refuted to my knowledge.



>sydney
You're kidding right? Have you been to Sydney?

Also, I need only point to the Balkans; that should suffice in proving that multiculturalism and diversity doesn't always work.

It works in Canada.

The country so compromised by the Chinese that we no longer share to level intelligence. A resounding success.

[San Lumen]

What a fundamentally don't understand? Right. I just don't agree because I don't understand, got you.

You can, actually, change intelligence in people: it's called education. It's up to them but if the resources are there, they can do it, and people do get smarter. Surprising, isn't it? Did you know that more intelligent people, on your scale, actually voted favorably more against individuals such as Trump? Does that mean something?

You seem to think my logical chain goes something like:

1. I'm white
2. I want to invent ways I am awesome
3. I will make up a hierarchy of racial intelligences and put mine at the top

You literally think I accept or reject scientific results based on whether I find them agreement. Because, I guess, that is what you and your whole faction does. But I don't. I literally am just trying to understand how the world works here.

Education doesn't change intelligence levels, it changes knowledge levels. More intelligent people get educated faster and ultimately more than less intelligent people.

I have a suggestion for you how about you talk to academics in the Psychology Department at your university (as I infer that's where you work) about your 19th century viewpoints and they will tell you how wrong you are.

You have still yet to give a valid non racist argument about why diversity and multiculturalism isn't a good thing.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

It works in Canada.

My point being that it doesn't always work. Just because it worked in one place does not mean it will in another.

[Reformed Corea]

It works in Canada.

The country so compromised by the Chinese that we no longer share to level intelligence. A resounding success.

it has mutual trade with them, although China is slowly usurping Canadian companies.

[HMS Queen Elizabeth]

You seem to think my logical chain goes something like:

1. I'm white
2. I want to invent ways I am awesome
3. I will make up a hierarchy of racial intelligences and put mine at the top

You literally think I accept or reject scientific results based on whether I find them agreement. Because, I guess, that is what you and your whole faction does. But I don't. I literally am just trying to understand how the world works here.

Education doesn't change intelligence levels, it changes knowledge levels. More intelligent people get educated faster and ultimately more than less intelligent people.

I have a suggestion for you how about you talk to academics in the Psychology Department at your university (as I infer that's where you work) about your 19th century viewpoints and they will tell you how wrong you are.

I don't need to talk to these idiots who couldn't even get a decent score on the physics GRE when I can look at the data myself.

You have still yet to give a valid non racist argument about why diversity and multiculturalism isn't a good thing.

Why should I give a non-racist argument when the racist argument is both important and correct?

[The East Marches II]

You seem to think my logical chain goes something like:

1. I'm white
2. I want to invent ways I am awesome
3. I will make up a hierarchy of racial intelligences and put mine at the top

You literally think I accept or reject scientific results based on whether I find them agreement. Because, I guess, that is what you and your whole faction does. But I don't. I literally am just trying to understand how the world works here.

Education doesn't change intelligence levels, it changes knowledge levels. More intelligent people get educated faster and ultimately more than less intelligent people.

I have a suggestion for you how about you talk to academics in the Psychology Department at your university (as I infer that's where you work) about your 19th century viewpoints and they will tell you how wrong you are.

You have still yet to give a valid non racist argument about why diversity and multiculturalism isn't a good thing.

Yes, you are the arbiter of what is and isn't valid and/or racist. You the one whom others have commented if you replaced white with brown, would be pilloried as a racist.

[San Lumen]

It works in Canada.

The country so compromised by the Chinese that we no longer share to level intelligence. A resounding success.

What in the world are you talking about? Canada is one of the most multicultural countries in the world and proof that diversity and multiculturalism works. It gets more diverse every year.

[Reformed Corea]

It works in Canada.

My point being that it doesn't always work. Just because it worked in one place does not mean it will in another.

Why won't countries model after Canada?

[The East Marches II]

The country so compromised by the Chinese that we no longer share to level intelligence. A resounding success.

it has mutual trade with them, although China is slowly usurping Canadian companies.

Trade is irrelevant if you cease to be able to function. If you consider becoming a puppet a success then by all means.

[Reformed Corea]

it has mutual trade with them, although China is slowly usurping Canadian companies.

Trade is irrelevant if you cease to be able to function. If you consider becoming a puppet a success then by all means.

Puppet?

[The East Marches II]

The country so compromised by the Chinese that we no longer share to level intelligence. A resounding success.

What in the world are you talking about? Canada is one of the most multicultural countries in the world and proof that diversity and multiculturalism works. It gets more diverse every year.

It works so well that they are compromised by a foreign power. I'd like to see your comments on my post proving German weakness as well.

[Albrenia]

By those stats though, aren't Asians 'more intelligent' than europeans? Why would a large amount of asians bring down the intelligence level?

[San Lumen]

I have a suggestion for you how about you talk to academics in the Psychology Department at your university (as I infer that's where you work) about your 19th century viewpoints and they will tell you how wrong you are.

I don't need to talk to these idiots who couldn't even get a decent score on the physics GRE when I can look at the data myself.

You have still yet to give a valid non racist argument about why diversity and multiculturalism isn't a good thing.

Why should I give a non-racist argument when the racist argument is both important and correct?

And many pointed out to you that one test isn't a valid argument. Its astounding how you a non expert in the field of Psychology think you know more than them.

And racism is never a correct or important argument.

[The East Marches II]

Trade is irrelevant if you cease to be able to function. If you consider becoming a puppet a success then by all means.

Puppet?

When your government becomes an extension of a larger foreign power, that is generally what it is referred to.

[FelrikTheDeleted]

[...]Canada is one of the most multicultural countries in the world and proof that diversity and multiculturalism works. It gets more diverse every year.

Where did he deny that? Can you read?

[Reformed Corea]

By those stats though, aren't Asians 'more intelligent' than europeans? Why would a large amount of asians bring down the intelligence level?

Yeah. Asians are frighteningly intelligent. They study for so many hours.