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Crabulonia
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Postby Crabulonia » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:48 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:
Crabulonia wrote:
Birnadia wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:Opium was grown in India, though.

Yeah, but they were never forced to grow Opium.

liars

Nice counter-argument.


That's almost as good as his one "you can't be racist against colonizers".

you cant cause the colonizers think your inferior read fannon


I'm fairly certain hating somebody on grounds of race, and since none of use are colonizers you're hatred is based solely on our race, is what you call racism. You are therefore racist.

I have a deep and profound respect for Indians. Many of them work in the NHS as doctors and they have some of the best bedside manner.

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Jedi 999
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Postby Jedi 999 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:49 pm

Dododecapod wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Dododecapod wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Crabulonia wrote:
Birnadia wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:Opium was grown in India, though.

Yeah, but they were never forced to grow Opium.

liars

Nice counter-argument.


That's almost as good as his one "you can't be racist against colonizers".

you cant cause the colonizers think your inferior read fannon


Just because one side looks down on the other does NOT mean the other side cannot look down right back.

the other side cant


Of course they can. Put a Black supremacist and a White supremacist in the same room and watch them try to out snooty each other.

black supremists are not as racist as white ones

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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:49 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:correct and what does it do


Depends on how benevolent it is. On a positive side, it could be providing freedom to a people to oppressed by their previous government, on a negative side, it could simply be exploiting the native population for their money and resources it order to benefit itself.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:49 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
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Jedi 999 wrote:you cant be racist towards colonizers


What does that even mean?

You can't be racist towards postmen either, since they're not a race.

it means the colonizer (in this case british) thinks the colonized are there for the welfare of mother country and therefore inferior human beings


There's nothing inferior about joining a wider movement. And colonialism is such a broad word that you can't slap any one meaning on it; other than 'populating/ruling another land'.

what wider movement


What do you think?
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Postby Tagmatium » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:49 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:well tell me do you liars remember who forced us to grow opium and who started that war

The Opium wars were with China, not India.

fool but which troops were used? where did you get the opium from ? who did you force to grow opium

There's probably no need to resort to name calling...

than answer my questions

We're not some sort of hive-mind. Again, I might point out that not all British people think the empire was a good thing.

The reason I won't is because I can't.

I don't know that much about Indian history, which is why I've not voiced my opinion on it. I don't wish to display my ignorance on that subject. I find Indian history pretty interesting, but there are other areas which I like more.

And I've said that the opium came from India, as that is something I know.

And actually address this this time, please.
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Postby Jedi 999 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:49 pm

well its night over here i am off to bed nice debating with you liars my op crushed your dreams

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Postby Tagmatium » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:50 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:well its night over here i am off to bed nice debating with you liars my op crushed your dreams

No, the sheer force of your obtuseness did.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:50 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:black supremists are not as racist as white ones


Excuse me? I think you should reconsider this sentence or hastily explain your logic.
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Postby Jedi 999 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:50 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:well tell me do you liars remember who forced us to grow opium and who started that war

The Opium wars were with China, not India.

fool but which troops were used? where did you get the opium from ? who did you force to grow opium

There's probably no need to resort to name calling...

than answer my questions

We're not some sort of hive-mind. Again, I might point out that not all British people think the empire was a good thing.

The reason I won't is because I can't.

I don't know that much about Indian history, which is why I've not voiced my opinion on it. I don't wish to display my ignorance on that subject. I find Indian history pretty interesting, but there are other areas which I like more.

And I've said that the opium came from India, as that is something I know.

And actually address this this time, please.


well you admit the opium came from india at dirt cheap price and not from britain than good thats a start
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Postby Birnadia » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:51 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:my op crushed your dreams

Lolwat?
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Postby Tagmatium » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:51 pm

The Parkus Empire wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:black supremists are not as racist as white ones

Excuse me? I think you should reconsider this sentence or hastily explain your logic.

It's because they're white.

Duh.
The above post may or may not be serious.
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North Calaveras wrote:Tagmatium, it was never about pie...

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Postby Dododecapod » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:51 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:well its night over here i am off to bed nice debating with you liars my op crushed your dreams


Again, no. Had you been willing to debate points and supply support for your position, you might have made some converts. Calling a bunch of people liars just ensures they will consider you an idiot.
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Postby Tagmatium » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:52 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:well you admit the opium came from india at dirt cheap price and not from britain than good thats a start

Do you have anything to say on my point that not every British person likes the idea of the empire and what it did?
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Postby Chumblywumbly » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:52 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:well its night over here i am off to bed nice debating with you liars my op crushed your dreams

Might I suggest you get a blog if you are not interested in genuinely debating folks.

The occupation of India is most worthy of discussion, but you'll get nowhere by simply shouting 'liar!'.
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Postby Jedi 999 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:52 pm

Tagmatium wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:black supremists are not as racist as white ones

Excuse me? I think you should reconsider this sentence or hastily explain your logic.

It's because they're white.

Duh.


well remember last time what did the white sumpremists did when they came into power and the black supremists fought for there rights

points at malcom x

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Crabulonia
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Postby Crabulonia » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:52 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:
Dododecapod wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Dododecapod wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Crabulonia wrote:
Birnadia wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:Opium was grown in India, though.

Yeah, but they were never forced to grow Opium.

liars

Nice counter-argument.


That's almost as good as his one "you can't be racist against colonizers".

you cant cause the colonizers think your inferior read fannon


Just because one side looks down on the other does NOT mean the other side cannot look down right back.

the other side cant


Of course they can. Put a Black supremacist and a White supremacist in the same room and watch them try to out snooty each other.

black supremists are not as racist as white ones


Explain what makes a black supremicist better than a white one and why they are not equally bad.

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:52 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:my op crushed your dreams


Keep on telling yourself that.
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Postby Jedi 999 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:53 pm

Chumblywumbly wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:well its night over here i am off to bed nice debating with you liars my op crushed your dreams

Might I suggest you get a blog if you are not interested in genuinely debating folks.

The occupation of India is most worthy of discussion, but you'll get nowhere by simply shouting 'liar!'.

well some people here claim india was

tribal
backwards
poor
barbaric

that hurts me

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Postby Dododecapod » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:53 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:well tell me do you liars remember who forced us to grow opium and who started that war

The Opium wars were with China, not India.

fool but which troops were used? where did you get the opium from ? who did you force to grow opium

There's probably no need to resort to name calling...

than answer my questions

We're not some sort of hive-mind. Again, I might point out that not all British people think the empire was a good thing.

The reason I won't is because I can't.

I don't know that much about Indian history, which is why I've not voiced my opinion on it. I don't wish to display my ignorance on that subject. I find Indian history pretty interesting, but there are other areas which I like more.

And I've said that the opium came from India, as that is something I know.

And actually address this this time, please.


well you admit the opium came from india at dirt cheap price and not from britain than good thats a start


Yet you do not even dare speak on my reply on this topic...
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Postby Jedi 999 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:53 pm

SD_Film Artists wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:my op crushed your dreams


Keep on telling yourself that.

you read it , it crushed your lies one by one

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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:54 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:
The Parkus Empire wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:black supremists are not as racist as white ones

Excuse me? I think you should reconsider this sentence or hastily explain your logic.

It's because they're white.

Duh.


well remember last time what did the white sumpremists did when they came into power and the black supremists fought for there rights

points at malcom x


Fighting for equality =/= fighting for supremacy.
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Postby HC Eredivisie » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:54 pm

Am I the only one who thought this was about the pie vs cake debate? :blush:
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Postby Jedi 999 » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:54 pm

Dododecapod wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Tagmatium wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:
Conserative Morality wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:well tell me do you liars remember who forced us to grow opium and who started that war

The Opium wars were with China, not India.

fool but which troops were used? where did you get the opium from ? who did you force to grow opium

There's probably no need to resort to name calling...

than answer my questions

We're not some sort of hive-mind. Again, I might point out that not all British people think the empire was a good thing.

The reason I won't is because I can't.

I don't know that much about Indian history, which is why I've not voiced my opinion on it. I don't wish to display my ignorance on that subject. I find Indian history pretty interesting, but there are other areas which I like more.

And I've said that the opium came from India, as that is something I know.

And actually address this this time, please.


well you admit the opium came from india at dirt cheap price and not from britain than good thats a start


Yet you do not even dare speak on my reply on this topic...


your reply wtf

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Postby Tagmatium » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:55 pm

Jedi 999 wrote:
SD_Film Artists wrote:
Jedi 999 wrote:my op crushed your dreams


Keep on telling yourself that.

you read it , it crushed your lies one by one

If I may say, your style isn't as persuasive as you may think.

Calling people "idiots", "liars", "racists" "coloniser-lovers" and that ilk with no grounding doesn't show any true debating style, just a willingness to insult with little provocation.
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Postby SD_Film Artists » Sat Mar 20, 2010 12:55 pm

HC Eredivisie wrote:Am I the only one who thought this was about the pie vs cake debate? :blush:


It's the Pirates vs Ninjas, obviously :roll:
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