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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:36 am

Athrax wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Well, originally Mesopotamia is where 'civilization' sprung up.
Civilization didn't spring up all at once across the world.


Mesopotamia, Egypt, the Indus River Valley civilization, and the Yangtze civilizations all kind of arose around the same time independent of one another. And that's not counting the growth of Meso-American civilizations, which started completely independent of the others

The first 3 were in the same region and apparently had an extensive trade network of bronze and tin.

Granted I was likely mistakenly using 'civilization' and 'human migration' as synonyms.

'Civilization' as we understand it tends to crop up in fertile regions along rivers or coastlines.
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Postby Seradahn » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:36 am

The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:I feel like Hitler would smack the living christ out of OP if he ever set foot on this land again through necromancy, rebirth, or any other type of resurrection.

First off I don't think "There is a war against whites" I do think there is a stigma against white people in the ever progressive world and occasionally you'll get a BLM chimp screaming fuck white people but that has been going on for ages.
Secondly a lot of the hate goes towards the European past actions of colonialism and imperialism and how that's bad and we should pay.

Sure white people were on the top once and I'd like to see them be on the top again, that seems to be a focal point for the criticism of white people as a whole for which whatever reason.

So why would Hitler smack me?
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Postby Sovaal » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:37 am

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Sovaal wrote:No, but it did spring up largely independent of each other. Also, by that point the races had already diverged.

I don't know what you mean by 'independent of each other' or 'races diverging'.

The "races" as we know them where largely independent of each other at the end of the last ice age, well before any civilization is formed. This makes the claim the blacks created all civilization (or more specifically European) and that it was stolen from them.
Second off, as stated, Civilization arose pretty much independently in Mesopotamia, the Indus valley, The Yangtze, and in Mesoamerica.
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Postby Izirag » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:37 am

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I am aware of Paul's actions but he was just a tool for a greater agenda. Why am I a "white supremacist"? I feel no need to dominate other races so I don't really get that usage.

The whole "uniqueness" thing mainly. There's hardly anything unique among the human races, black, white, asian, etc.


You can immediately see difference physically in the peoples of Earth and if you are a perceptive, informed person, you will notice the things internally that also create our drastic differences. We are all unique in our own way, Europeans just have a higher number of genetic mutations and nuanced adaptations that set my people further apart from the rest of humanity in a more pronounced way.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:38 am

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Sovaal wrote:Wasn't there recently discovered fossils from Morocco that where over 300 thousand years old?

https://www.google.co.uk/amp/www.telegr ... -find/amp/
There's also this. It quite surprised me, as I've believed in Africa being the Cradle of Humanity for a lot of my life.

That's just the Telegraph's incredibly shitty science reporting.
"The discovery of the creature, named Graecopithecus freybergi, and nicknameded ‘El Graeco' by scientists, proves our ancestors were already starting to evolve in Europe 200,000 years before the earliest African hominid."


Written by someone with little or no scientific background or understanding.
No, it doesn't "prove" that. It suggests that possibility, but this is contrary to lots of other evidence.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:38 am

San Lumen wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Because it goes against the very concept of nations.

And whats your definition of a nation? A homogenous place where everyone looks the same? if someone from Iran or Vietnam or Venezuela wants to come to your country for better life and immigrants legally and gets a work visa and a job and then becomes a citizen what is wrong with that?

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:38 am

Sovaal wrote:
Genivaria wrote:I don't know what you mean by 'independent of each other' or 'races diverging'.

The "races" as we know them where largely independent of each other at the end of the last ice age, well before any civilization is formed. This makes the claim the blacks created all civilization (or more specifically European) and that it was stolen from them.
Second off, as stated, Civilization arose pretty much independently in Mesopotamia, the Indus valley, The Yangtze, and in Mesoamerica.

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Postby Escocaria » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:39 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
San Lumen wrote:utter rubbish. Again i ask you what is wrong with a diverse multicultural city? Diversity and multiculturalism is a wonderful thing. It doesn't cause destruction nor bad relations. You haven't been to many large cities have you? Instead you only believe what the right wing media tells you.

It's a problem when the natives are no longer in control of their own country. Look what happened to the Greeks in Anatolia or the Copts in Egypt. Or Blacks in South Africa.

Well, in the case of Egypt, the Copts aren't Natives since they're a religion, not an ethnicity. Egyptians are the natives but were completely changed after the rise of Islam and the Arabization of Egypt. So, the Egyptians are still in control of their own country.
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Postby The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:39 am

Genivaria wrote:
The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:I feel like Hitler would smack the living christ out of OP if he ever set foot on this land again through necromancy, rebirth, or any other type of resurrection.

First off I don't think "There is a war against whites" I do think there is a stigma against white people in the ever progressive world and occasionally you'll get a BLM chimp screaming fuck white people but that has been going on for ages.
Secondly a lot of the hate goes towards the European past actions of colonialism and imperialism and how that's bad and we should pay.

Sure white people were on the top once and I'd like to see them be on the top again, that seems to be a focal point for the criticism of white people as a whole for which whatever reason.

Please tell me more of your plight. :roll:

I didn't mention a plight or how this makes me angry or sad or whatever. I just mentioned something that is occurring in this present age.

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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:40 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
San Lumen wrote:And whats your definition of a nation? A homogenous place where everyone looks the same? if someone from Iran or Vietnam or Venezuela wants to come to your country for better life and immigrants legally and gets a work visa and a job and then becomes a citizen what is wrong with that?

A nation (from Latin: natio, "people, tribe, kin, genus, class, flock") is a large group or collective of people with common characteristics attributed to them — including language, traditions, mores (customs), habitus (habits), and ethnicity.

That doesn't answer my question.

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Postby Sovaal » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:40 am

Izirag wrote:
Sovaal wrote:The whole "uniqueness" thing mainly. There's hardly anything unique among the human races, black, white, asian, etc.


You can immediately see difference physically in the peoples of Earth and if you are a perceptive, informed person, you will notice the things internally that also create our drastic differences. We are all unique in our own way, Europeans just have a higher number of genetic mutations and nuanced adaptations that set my people further apart from the rest of humanity in a more pronounced way.

I'm white as well. Sure, each race has some morphological differences, but genetically we're so similiar that we're pretty much inbred compared to most animal species.

Also, a "more pronounced way"?
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Postby Athrax » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:40 am

Genivaria wrote:
Athrax wrote:
Mesopotamia, Egypt, the Indus River Valley civilization, and the Yangtze civilizations all kind of arose around the same time independent of one another. And that's not counting the growth of Meso-American civilizations, which started completely independent of the others

The first 3 were in the same region and apparently had an extensive trade network of bronze and tin.

Granted I was likely mistakenly using 'civilization' and 'human migration' as synonyms.


They are each thousands of miles apart, and while they did trade with each other, none of them seems to have caused the founding of another. Each of them spun off different civilizations later on, while other civilizations seem to have arisen independently later, those big 4 seem to pretty much have a tie for first, roughly speaking

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:40 am

Izirag wrote:
Sovaal wrote:The whole "uniqueness" thing mainly. There's hardly anything unique among the human races, black, white, asian, etc.


You can immediately see difference physically in the peoples of Earth and if you are a perceptive, informed person, you will notice the things internally that also create our drastic differences. We are all unique in our own way, Europeans just have a higher number of genetic mutations and nuanced adaptations that set my people further apart from the rest of humanity in a more pronounced way.

Slight differences in appearance to not equal 'drastic differences'.
That's a ridiculous assertion.

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Postby Sovaal » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:40 am

Genivaria wrote:
Sovaal wrote:The "races" as we know them where largely independent of each other at the end of the last ice age, well before any civilization is formed. This makes the claim the blacks created all civilization (or more specifically European) and that it was stolen from them.
Second off, as stated, Civilization arose pretty much independently in Mesopotamia, the Indus valley, The Yangtze, and in Mesoamerica.

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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:40 am

The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:
Genivaria wrote:Please tell me more of your plight. :roll:

I didn't mention a plight or how this makes me angry or sad or whatever. I just mentioned something that is occurring in this present age.

It's really not.

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Postby Athrax » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:41 am

Izirag wrote:
Sovaal wrote:The whole "uniqueness" thing mainly. There's hardly anything unique among the human races, black, white, asian, etc.


You can immediately see difference physically in the peoples of Earth and if you are a perceptive, informed person, you will notice the things internally that also create our drastic differences. We are all unique in our own way, Europeans just have a higher number of genetic mutations and nuanced adaptations that set my people further apart from the rest of humanity in a more pronounced way.


That's just untrue. Africa tends to have the most genetic variety. You could pretty much just retain the population of Kenya and you'd have more than 90% of the genetic diversity inherent in the rest of the world

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:41 am

Escocaria wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:It's a problem when the natives are no longer in control of their own country. Look what happened to the Greeks in Anatolia or the Copts in Egypt. Or Blacks in South Africa.

Well, in the case of Egypt, the Copts aren't Natives since they're a religion, not an ethnicity. Egyptians are the natives but were completely changed after the rise of Islam and the Arabization of Egypt. So, the Egyptians are still in control of their own country.

It's pretty widely accepted that the Copts comprise the community that maintained their separatism from the Arabs after the conquests. In other words, they are descended from the original Roman-period Egyptians.
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Postby The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:41 am

Seradahn wrote:
The Shady Looking Vukmiri Delegates wrote:I feel like Hitler would smack the living christ out of OP if he ever set foot on this land again through necromancy, rebirth, or any other type of resurrection.

First off I don't think "There is a war against whites" I do think there is a stigma against white people in the ever progressive world and occasionally you'll get a BLM chimp screaming fuck white people but that has been going on for ages.
Secondly a lot of the hate goes towards the European past actions of colonialism and imperialism and how that's bad and we should pay.

Sure white people were on the top once and I'd like to see them be on the top again, that seems to be a focal point for the criticism of white people as a whole for which whatever reason.

So why would Hitler smack me?

Because I think you deserved to get smacked because of your dumb comment and I think that he would like to smack you too.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:41 am

San Lumen wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:A nation (from Latin: natio, "people, tribe, kin, genus, class, flock") is a large group or collective of people with common characteristics attributed to them — including language, traditions, mores (customs), habitus (habits), and ethnicity.

That doesn't answer my question.

You asked what the definition of a nation is.
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:41 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Escocaria wrote:Well, in the case of Egypt, the Copts aren't Natives since they're a religion, not an ethnicity. Egyptians are the natives but were completely changed after the rise of Islam and the Arabization of Egypt. So, the Egyptians are still in control of their own country.

It's pretty widely accepted that the Copts comprise the community that maintained their separatism from the Arabs after the conquests. In other words, they are descended from the original Roman-period Egyptians.

Is that just the traditional belief or has someone done some Genealogy tests over there?

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Postby Tekeristan » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:42 am

How silly.

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Postby Sanctissima » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:42 am

Genivaria wrote:
Izirag wrote:
You can immediately see difference physically in the peoples of Earth and if you are a perceptive, informed person, you will notice the things internally that also create our drastic differences. We are all unique in our own way, Europeans just have a higher number of genetic mutations and nuanced adaptations that set my people further apart from the rest of humanity in a more pronounced way.

Slight differences in appearance to not equal 'drastic differences'.
That's a ridiculous assertion.


There's differences in everything from skin tone, jaw structure, average height and the presence or lack of epicanthic folds.

They aren't just slight differences.

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Postby Escocaria » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:42 am

San Lumen wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:A nation (from Latin: natio, "people, tribe, kin, genus, class, flock") is a large group or collective of people with common characteristics attributed to them — including language, traditions, mores (customs), habitus (habits), and ethnicity.

That doesn't answer my question.

He literally just gave you a definition of a nation! What is there to not understand?!

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Escocaria wrote:Well, in the case of Egypt, the Copts aren't Natives since they're a religion, not an ethnicity. Egyptians are the natives but were completely changed after the rise of Islam and the Arabization of Egypt. So, the Egyptians are still in control of their own country.

It's pretty widely accepted that the Copts comprise the community that maintained their separatism from the Arabs after the conquests. In other words, they are descended from the original Roman-period Egyptians.

I'm not overly familiar with the historical politics of the region so forgive me if I get things muddled or wrong.
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Postby Salus Maior » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:42 am

San Lumen wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:A nation (from Latin: natio, "people, tribe, kin, genus, class, flock") is a large group or collective of people with common characteristics attributed to them — including language, traditions, mores (customs), habitus (habits), and ethnicity.

That doesn't answer my question.


What he means is that if people are going to migrate over to a country, they should assimilate into the nation as it's defined instead of segregating themselves off as a minority.

Which is something I also agree with.
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Postby San Lumen » Wed Jul 05, 2017 11:43 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
San Lumen wrote:That doesn't answer my question.

You asked what the definition of a nation is.

That may be the definition. What is wrong though with someone from say Eritrea, Venezuela, Iran or Vietnam comes to your nation for a better life? They comes legally get a work visa, find a job and apartment and several years later becomes a citizen.

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