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thoughts on veganism

It will kill u from a deficiency
72
13%
It's to exspensive
63
11%
It taste bad
66
12%
It makes u smell bad
38
7%
It makes u fart alot
41
7%
It's OK for u just don't push your beliefs on me
201
36%
It's healthier and cheaper but bacon tho even tho I didn't try mock bacon
19
3%
It will cure or help cure everything
21
4%
Everyone should be a vegan activist
19
3%
Eating meat for non survival situations should b illegal
22
4%
 
Total votes : 562

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Postby Veganopia » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:13 pm

definition of “veganism” as:
"A philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose; and by extension, promotes the development and use of animal-free alternatives for the benefit of humans, animals and the environment. In dietary terms it denotes the practice of dispensing with all products derived wholly or partly from animals."

The manufacture and/or development of the product, and where applicable its ingredients, must not involve, or have involved, the use of any animal product, by-product or derivative.

Animal Testing

The development and/or manufacture of the product, and where applicable its ingredients, must not involve, or have involved, testing of any sort on animals conducted at the initiative of the company or on its behalf, or by parties over whom the company has effective control.

Genetically Modified Organisms

The development and/or production of genetically modified organisms (GMO) must not have involved animal genes or animal-derived substances. Products put forward for registration which contain or may contain any GMOs must be labelled as such.

Kitchen and Hygiene Standards

Dishes that are to be labelled vegan must be prepared separately from non-vegan dishes. As a minimum surfaces and utensils must be thoroughly washed prior to being used for vegan cooking. We strongly recommend that a separate set of utensils be procured for this purpose. Be aware of the risk of cross-contamination from non-vegan sources in your kitchen, and take all reasonable practical steps to eliminate this.
Go vegan.
https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/d ... n-veganism


Watch earthlings the documentary:
https://youtu.be/hZVLK5BqTYk

animal agriculture is a leading cause of all problems including starvation. dont be a hypocrite by eating animal products needlessly. Everyone should b vegan for the animals the env and their health.

Watch cow seperated from calf to kill calf so humans can steal the milk: https://youtu.be/SYJPbrxdn8w

Cowspiracy
http://youtu.be/JRDxZFIwzj8

Watch
Uprooting leading causes of death:
https://youtu.be/30gEiweaAVQ

Forks over knives the movie.

Why meat is bad for you:
https://youtu.be/WHdfeR8dfJo

Patrik boubumain world record strong man vegan. Vegan diet is best for bodybuilding.

Death on a factory farm documentary

Gary yourofsky best speech you will ever hear
https://youtu.be/es6U00LMmC4

Uprooting leading causes of death
https://youtu.be/h_qP16vr8z0

What the health
https://youtu.be/wBtY4M6NPSU

Meatonomics
https://youtu.be/OmBuZbtkcPA

Food inc
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:14 pm

Don't tell me what to eat and I won't tell you what to eat. Nuff said.

Also, you may want to spell check some.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:20 pm

Well, I get sick if I don't have either meat or eggs every few days, so I'm not a huge fan of veganism as you might imagine.

But hey, if you want to do that, your body your choice.
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Postby Sanctissima » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:21 pm

Stupidity, but to each their own.

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Postby Cerillium » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:26 pm

Welcome to NS, Vega. I'm glad you brought up a new topic. But you might want to frame it better instead of copy-paste words. You've provided a definition but nothing really to discuss excet a few phrases that may or may not be part of a copied article. (I don't think we can point to polls and say "discuss that stuff". Don't quote me on that.)

What's your opinion, Vega? Always good to add that to your first post so we know where you stand in the argument. Do you practice veganism? If so, for what reason? Do you think everyone should practice it? Why or why not? Questions like this frame a discussion and give us something to consider, and perhaps debate.


I'm Buddhist, though my form of Buddhism doesn't practice veganism. We do believe in humane killing for food. (We don't believe in killing for nuisance, such as a spider on our wall.)
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Postby Banana-Industrial Complex » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:28 pm

The greatest thing ever.

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Postby Cuprum » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:29 pm

You are free to eat whatever you want but please don't be like those cow vigilantes in India.

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:29 pm

Cerillium wrote:Welcome to NS, Vega. I'm glad you brought up a new topic. But you might want to frame it better instead of copy-paste words. You've provided a definition but nothing really to discuss excet a few phrases that may or may not be part of a copied article. (I don't think we can point to polls and say "discuss that stuff". Don't quote me on that.)

What's your opinion, Vega? Always good to add that to your first post so we know where you stand in the argument. Do you practice veganism? If so, for what reason? Do you think everyone should practice it? Why or why not? Questions like this frame a discussion and give us something to consider, and perhaps debate.


I'm Buddhist, though my form of Buddhism doesn't practice veganism. We do believe in humane killing for food. (We don't believe in killing for nuisance, such as a spider on our wall.)

So, I take it hunting is alright. What about say, your hiking and are beset upon by a rabid coyote? Is it alright to kill it then? What about the mercy killing of wounded animals?
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:33 pm

I've been considering it for myself for some time mainly because cutting meat from my diet has proven great in helping me manage my aggravated anxiety disorder. Don't here wrong, I have no problem with eating meat. It tastes good. But for my own mental health, veganism, or vegetarianism are perhaps the way to go for me.
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Postby United Libertarian Republics of Columbia » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:36 pm

I don't care what you eat, nor should I. If you wanna eat nothing but plants, go ahead, just don't shove your beliefs down my throat.
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Postby Joymark » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:41 pm

Why is everyone so concerned about vegans telling them their beliefs? Not that I'm saying they should I'm just saying you have the luxury of just ignoring them, unless you know you subconsciously feel guilty about eating meat...

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Postby Veganopia » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:41 pm

Galloism wrote:Well, I get sick if I don't have either meat or eggs every few days, so I'm not a huge fan of veganism as you might imagine.

But hey, if you want to do that, your body your choice.

Maybe.u didn't eat enough calories. U can get more than enough nutrients on a proper vegan diet. Fruit veggies beans nuts seeds grains mushrooms. :D Nut butter. Dates. Avacado.

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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:42 pm

Veganism is dumb and meat is good.
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Postby Gatito » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:43 pm

This poll is just a tiny bit subjective.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:50 pm

Veganopia wrote:
Galloism wrote:Well, I get sick if I don't have either meat or eggs every few days, so I'm not a huge fan of veganism as you might imagine.

But hey, if you want to do that, your body your choice.

Maybe.u didn't eat enough calories. U can get more than enough nutrients on a proper vegan diet. Fruit veggies beans nuts seeds grains mushrooms. :D Nut butter. Dates. Avacado.

I'm deathly allergic to mushrooms. As in, I will literally die.

I also don't absorb most vegetables very well besides. Most all plants I eat pass through completely undigested. Fruits and algaes seem to get digested all right.
Venicilian: wow. Jesus hung around with everyone. boys, girls, rich, poor(mostly), sick, healthy, etc. in fact, i bet he even went up to gay people and tried to heal them so they would be straight.
The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
New Kereptica: Since power is changed energy over time, an increase in power would mean, in this case, an increase in energy. As energy is equivalent to mass and the density of the government is static, the volume of the government must increase.


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Postby Veganopia » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:51 pm

Sovaal wrote:
Cerillium wrote:Welcome to NS, Vega. I'm glad you brought up a new topic. But you might want to frame it better instead of copy-paste words. You've provided a definition but nothing really to discuss excet a few phrases that may or may not be part of a copied article. (I don't think we can point to polls and say "discuss that stuff". Don't quote me on that.)

What's your opinion, Vega? Always good to add that to your first post so we know where you stand in the argument. Do you practice veganism? If so, for what reason? Do you think everyone should practice it? Why or why not? Questions like this frame a discussion and give us something to consider, and perhaps debate.


I'm Buddhist, though my form of Buddhism doesn't practice veganism. We do believe in humane killing for food. (We don't believe in killing for nuisance, such as a spider on our wall.)

So, I take it hunting is alright. What about say, your hiking and are beset upon by a rabid coyote? Is it alright to kill it then? What about the mercy killing of wounded animals?

Hunting is not alright if it's not for survival. It's OK to kill a rabid coyote for selling defense if it is attacking u. Mercy killing is fine only if they r incurable.

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Postby Veganopia » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:54 pm

Galloism wrote:
Veganopia wrote:Maybe.u didn't eat enough calories. U can get more than enough nutrients on a proper vegan diet. Fruit veggies beans nuts seeds grains mushrooms. :D Nut butter. Dates. Avacado.

I'm deathly allergic to mushrooms. As in, I will literally die.

I also don't absorb most vegetables very well besides. Most all plants I eat pass through completely undigested. Fruits and algaes seem to get digested all right.

Get digestive enzymes eat more raw fruits vegetables nuts seeds. Maybe talk to a plant based nutritionist and dietian about it.

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:55 pm

Veganopia wrote:
Sovaal wrote:So, I take it hunting is alright. What about say, your hiking and are beset upon by a rabid coyote? Is it alright to kill it then? What about the mercy killing of wounded animals?

Hunting is not alright if it's not for survival. It's OK to kill a rabid coyote for selling defense if it is attacking u. Mercy killing is fine only if they r incurable.

I was asking in regard to his beliefs.
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No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
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Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby War Gears » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:55 pm

As a farmer, I never want to kill my animals and mainly practice vegetarianism (though I do eat fish occasionally) but never saw the point of veganism. Besides enjoying eggs and dairy products, I don't see the point of keeping farm animals if we don't receive at least some benefits from them, especially based on having to feed them and clean up after them.
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Postby Veganopia » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:56 pm

Joymark wrote:Why is everyone so concerned about vegans telling them their beliefs? Not that I'm saying they should I'm just saying you have the luxury of just ignoring them, unless you know you subconsciously feel guilty about eating meat...

They feel guilty and don't Wana change don't want their bad actions pointed out.

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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:57 pm

I'm a vegetarian. If we were all vegans, that'd be easier on the environment, and probably healthier. But to each their own.
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Postby Galloism » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:58 pm

Veganopia wrote:
Galloism wrote:I'm deathly allergic to mushrooms. As in, I will literally die.

I also don't absorb most vegetables very well besides. Most all plants I eat pass through completely undigested. Fruits and algaes seem to get digested all right.

Get digestive enzymes eat more raw fruits vegetables nuts seeds. Maybe talk to a plant based nutritionist and dietian about it.

Did that when I tried back in the day.

Nuts, most vegetables, and most seeds pass through me completely undigested. And mushrooms cause death. Enzymes didn't do much either.

It is handy in a way though. I can eat a salad the size of a Prius to get full and I get approximately zero calories from it. Downside is I'm hungry again in an hour.
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The Parkus Empire: Being serious on NSG is like wearing a suit to a nude beach.
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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 03, 2017 6:58 pm

Joymark wrote:Why is everyone so concerned about vegans telling them their beliefs? Not that I'm saying they should I'm just saying you have the luxury of just ignoring them, unless you know you subconsciously feel guilty about eating meat...

Probably for the same reason a lot of people don't like being preached to by those with other beliefs. Simple, don't force your beliefs down my throat.
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”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby Sovaal » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:00 pm

Veganopia wrote:
Joymark wrote:Why is everyone so concerned about vegans telling them their beliefs? Not that I'm saying they should I'm just saying you have the luxury of just ignoring them, unless you know you subconsciously feel guilty about eating meat...

They feel guilty and don't Wana change don't want their bad actions pointed out.

Hardly.
Most of the time I have no idea what the hell I'm doing or talking about.

”Many forms of government have been tried and will be tried in this world of sin and woe.
No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all wise. Indeed, it has been said that democracy is
the worst form of government, except for all the others that have been tried from time to time." -
Winston Churchill, 1947.

"Rifles, muskets, long-bows and hand-grenades are inherently democratic weapons. A complex weapon makes the strong stronger, while a simple weapon – so long as there is no answer to it – gives claws to the weak.” - George Orwell

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Postby War Gears » Mon Jul 03, 2017 7:01 pm

Veganopia wrote:
Joymark wrote:Why is everyone so concerned about vegans telling them their beliefs? Not that I'm saying they should I'm just saying you have the luxury of just ignoring them, unless you know you subconsciously feel guilty about eating meat...

They feel guilty and don't Wana change don't want their bad actions pointed out.


Can't speak for everyone, but I definitely don't feel guilty about not being a vegan.
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