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Source: https://www.njhomelandsecurity.gov/anal ... sts-antifa

So on June 12 home land security in New Jersey listed the Antifa organisation as domestic terrorists, citing several incidents of political violence and intimidation.

While I believe that New Jersey is the first of many states to list antifa as terrorists, I don't believe that every state will. I am hoping that enough will so the federal government follows. This should ensure the safety of rubbish bins across the country.

Thoughts, NSG?

Christieland. 'Nuff said.

On one hand I kinda approve but on the other hand fuck Homeland Security.

Firstly, calling Antifa 'domestic terrorists' is a wee bit of a stretch, seeing as the worst thing they can apparently dredge up is fighting at protests.

Secondly, why does New Jersey need its own Department of Homeland Security?

Yes! This is exactly what we need! Finally!

The Widening Gyre wrote:Firstly, calling Antifa 'domestic terrorists' is a wee bit of a stretch, seeing as the worst thing they can apparently dredge up is fighting at protests.

Secondly, why does New Jersey need its own Department of Homeland Security?

Because post-9/11 hysteria inspired all sorts of nonsense security theater to spend money upon? Plenty of states have them now, for some ungodly reason.

Risottia wrote:Christieland. 'Nuff said.

Antifa are a bunch of numbnuts. *nods*

Athrax wrote:

The Widening Gyre wrote:Firstly, calling Antifa 'domestic terrorists' is a wee bit of a stretch, seeing as the worst thing they can apparently dredge up is fighting at protests.

Secondly, why does New Jersey need its own Department of Homeland Security?

Because post-9/11 hysteria inspired all sorts of nonsense security theater to spend money upon? Plenty of states have them now, for some ungodly reason.

It's Jersey, gotta have enough cushy government jobs to reward your political cronies with!

The Widening Gyre wrote:Firstly, calling Antifa 'domestic terrorists' is a wee bit of a stretch, seeing as the worst thing they can apparently dredge up is fighting at protests.

Secondly, why does New Jersey need its own Department of Homeland Security?

Well, when you have a members attacking people with things like bike locks, fireworks in bottles so they shatter and act as glass shrapnel, and other improvised, potentially lethal weapons, in effect trying to use the threat of violence to stop public discourse one disagrees with, you know, trying to use terror to get the public to not argue and accept your platform....
Nope, terrorist is what I call them. I don't care how ignorant and misguided one is, unless one is calling out to commit violence, I am a believer in allowing free speech, because you know, I like exercising my free speech, and how long until that is taken away if these bozos are allowed to silence through violence people they disagree with? The public should have differing views, in fact it is healthy, so long as
1-they don't advocate violence (and not respecting your safe space is not violence, unless you are on private property)
2-It isn't lessening the effectiveness of state authority (like stating one is police when one isn't to attempt to coerce another to do something)
3-It doesn't cause immediate harm to others *Like yelling fire in a crowded theater or bomb on an airplane)(This would also cover unauthorized releasing of classified info)
If the above conditions are met, I say let the lunatic rant, so I get to rant when it is my turn. BTW, I am a classic liberal, thus my opinion on the matter.

Not sure if it's entirely accurate, but I definitely see the argument they have, since Antifa's goal is basically to use violence to intimidate people to prevent them from expressing their views.

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Not sure if it's entirely accurate, but I definitely see the argument they have, since Antifa's goal is basically to use violence to intimidate people to prevent them from expressing their views.

They're ancoms LARPing as vigilantes in the name of anti-fascism while acting like the National Socialist Party in Daesh-inspired clothing.

Sareva wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Not sure if it's entirely accurate, but I definitely see the argument they have, since Antifa's goal is basically to use violence to intimidate people to prevent them from expressing their views.

They're ancoms LARPing as vigilantes in the name of anti-fascism while acting like the National Socialist Party in Daesh-inspired clothing.

That's quite possibly the best description of antifa I've ever heard.

Ehhh - ANTIFA is a bit stupid and misguided, but what do they do besides slacktivism and the occasional graffiti in order to "fight the man?" Nothing really, so why call em terrorists?

And yeah, as Washington said, fuck the Department of Homeland Security. Waste of money.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Sareva wrote:They're ancoms LARPing as vigilantes in the name of anti-fascism while acting like the National Socialist Party in Daesh-inspired clothing.

That's quite possibly the best description of antifa I've ever heard.

So are red bandannas their ideological symbol?

Major-Tom wrote:Ehhh - ANTIFA is a bit stupid and misguided, but what do they do besides slacktivism and the occasional graffiti in order to "fight the man?" Nothing really, so why call em terrorists?

And yeah, as Washington said, fuck the Department of Homeland Security. Waste of money.

Also a bit disturbingly totalitarian. The whole security state really needs to be subjected to a hard scrutiny, but of course it won't be

Frankly, they're way too disorganized and pathetically incompetent to be considered a terrorist organization, but then again, they deserve little pity.

Let them have what's coming to them.

Chris Christie is a homegrown, snack terrorist. Allahu Snickerbar.

Athrax wrote:

Major-Tom wrote:Ehhh - ANTIFA is a bit stupid and misguided, but what do they do besides slacktivism and the occasional graffiti in order to "fight the man?" Nothing really, so why call em terrorists?

And yeah, as Washington said, fuck the Department of Homeland Security. Waste of money.

Also a bit disturbingly totalitarian. The whole security state really needs to be subjected to a hard scrutiny, but of course it won't be

Totalitarian? No. Possibly authoritarian, but not totalitarian.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:

Sareva wrote:They're ancoms LARPing as vigilantes in the name of anti-fascism while acting like the National Socialist Party in Daesh-inspired clothing.

That's quite possibly the best description of antifa I've ever heard.

I try. Sometimes.

Good, now if the rest of the union can catch up maybe we can crush them underfoot once and for all.

Sareva wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Not sure if it's entirely accurate, but I definitely see the argument they have, since Antifa's goal is basically to use violence to intimidate people to prevent them from expressing their views.

They're ancoms LARPing as vigilantes in the name of anti-fascism while acting like the National Socialist Party in Daesh-inspired clothing.

i.....i love you.

I read all the bullet points against Antifa in the link, and something seemed missing. Oh yeah, they were missing even a single example of even a single death caused by Antifa. That's interesting.

Edit: ah, here we are
http://www.strifeandjustice.com/antifa- ... rmed-kill/
One person ever killed by Antifa, and it's a Klansman. Keep in mind this is a far-right anti-Antifa source, and one death is the best they can come up with.

36 Camera Perspective wrote:

Athrax wrote:
Also a bit disturbingly totalitarian. The whole security state really needs to be subjected to a hard scrutiny, but of course it won't be

Totalitarian? No. Possibly authoritarian, but not totalitarian.

Probably. The phrase "homeland security" just rings of secret police to me

Sareva wrote:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Not sure if it's entirely accurate, but I definitely see the argument they have, since Antifa's goal is basically to use violence to intimidate people to prevent them from expressing their views.

They're ancoms LARPing as vigilantes in the name of anti-fascism while acting like the National Socialist Party in Daesh-inspired clothing.

Huh. I like this. Yeah I like this.

About time. All they do is go find every rally that the right-wingers do and then get into street fights with them.

It's not even like I disagree with the principle of counter-protesting. Just heading over wearing a balaclava and bringing weapons to these things like the Antifas do just is awful.

Socialist Nordia wrote:I read all the bullet points against Antifa in the link, and something seemed missing. Oh yeah, they were missing even a single example of even a single death caused by Antifa. That's interesting.

Edit: ah, here we are
http://www.strifeandjustice.com/antifa- ... rmed-kill/
One person ever killed by Antifa, and it's a Klansman. Keep in mind this is a far-right anti-Antifa source, and one death is the best they can come up with.

Deaths certainly are rare, true, but extensive property damage and many injuries have been inflicted by them.