Antifa listed as a terrorist organisation in New Jersey

[Aelex]

You called me a brown person. I am clearly white as shit.
If you're claiming to be a "brown person" yourself, then clearly you actually owe special rights to Aelex since he's been using it a lot longer than you.

When exactly did I ever claimed to be a "brown person" ? Given I'm green-eyed and pale as milk, why would I make such a blatant and useless lie?

[Seno Zhou Varada]

Anarchist here. Anti fascist action (ANTIFA) is not a organization, it's a tactic. There's no hierarchy, no centralized authority, just individuals in small affinity groups fighting fascists, white supremacists, and racists using direct action. I'm not a fan of violence but I think violence is necessary. So of course I think this is a terrible thing. THis could let the government just pick out leftists as ANTIFA and imprison them. If anybody has any questions, comments, retorts go ahead.

[Seangoli]

Technically speaking, the Universities in such cases are not acting as a court of law, and as such typical rights of accused don't apply given that said rights only apply to the state in criminal matter.

They used to use a higher standard until good progressives like yourself ensured they lowered that bar via blackmail from the federal government. But hey, punishing poor kids for feminism in the only places they can manage is a good thing right? Not like they can afford the lawyers to sue when they are railroaded.

A lot of unfounded assumptions made in this post about my beliefs on the subject, as I was only pointing out a simple statement of fact and not interjecting an opinion on the matter.

Have you ever wondered that perhaps your willingness to just plain assume what people are thinking is fundamentally flawed, particularly given that I actually am not particularly keen on how some universities have handled some recent cases? If you ever wonder why people have such a low viewpoint towards your standings, you may want to consider that it is largely self imposed.

[Sanctissima]

"Lowering standards of conviction in a school trial won't harm the poor". They don't have recourse to fight the overwhelming resources of the University. Unless you mean to tell me that the recent batch of fake rape charges wasn't made up. It's not socialism, it's your middle class disconnected view of it. That and feminism which causes this gap in understanding. I won't hold your privilege against you though, you just need more education.

Schools don't hold trials, they don't level convictions. They're not courts.
This also isn't anything to do with socialism, but OK.

"Recent batch of fake rape charges"
Yes, fake rape charges exist in the same way that false filing of any crime occurs. But you and "people like you" seem to hold the opinion that a sizeable proportion of all rape accusations are fake because... reasons.
It isn't, it is of course very low. Obviously 1 is too many, as with any false filing of a crime, as it is quite literally an attack on a person's character.

You see the thing about privilege is, you accept you have it and the impact it has on your reasoning - I've not failed to do that, and I take it into account when I make arguments. I refine them in my head, repeatedly.

Most professional Feminists, that is to say people who are actually paid for studying and developing Feminist social theory, posit that 1/5 women who go to college are raped.

This has influenced many colleges and universities throughout the North American continent, and on-campus trials are indeed set-up to deal with rape allegations.

So either you agree with the Feminist assessment that there's a massive rape epidemic in North American universities, which is patently stupid, or you disagree with them, in which case TEM is right and you're arguing with him out of pure spite.

[The East Marches II]

They used to use a higher standard until good progressives like yourself ensured they lowered that bar via blackmail from the federal government. But hey, punishing poor kids for feminism in the only places they can manage is a good thing right? Not like they can afford the lawyers to sue when they are railroaded.

A lot of unfounded assumptions made in this post about my beliefs on the subject, as I was only pointing out a simple statement of fact and not interjecting an opinion on the matter.

Have you ever wondered that perhaps your willingness to just plain assume what people are thinking is fundamentally flawed, particularly given that I actually am not particularly keen on how some universities have handled some recent cases? If you ever wonder why people have such a low viewpoint towards your standings, you may want to consider that it is largely self imposed.

No I've never wondered that or cared tbh. You're a cultural relativist too. I'm equally right!

[The East Marches II]

Schools don't hold trials, they don't level convictions. They're not courts.
This also isn't anything to do with socialism, but OK.

"Recent batch of fake rape charges"
Yes, fake rape charges exist in the same way that false filing of any crime occurs. But you and "people like you" seem to hold the opinion that a sizeable proportion of all rape accusations are fake because... reasons.
It isn't, it is of course very low. Obviously 1 is too many, as with any false filing of a crime, as it is quite literally an attack on a person's character.

You see the thing about privilege is, you accept you have it and the impact it has on your reasoning - I've not failed to do that, and I take it into account when I make arguments. I refine them in my head, repeatedly.

Most professional Feminists, that is to say people who are actually paid for studying and developing Feminist social theory, posit that 1/5 women who go to college are raped.

This has influenced many colleges and universities throughout the North American continent, and on-campus trials are indeed set-up to deal with rape allegations.

So either you agree with the Feminist assessment that there's a massive rape epidemic in North American universities, which is patently stupid, or you disagree with them, in which case TEM is right and you're arguing with him out of pure spite.

I'll submit this as my reply, Sanct ninja'd me on the reply with the statistics.

[Sanctissima]

Most professional Feminists, that is to say people who are actually paid for studying and developing Feminist social theory, posit that 1/5 women who go to college are raped.

This has influenced many colleges and universities throughout the North American continent, and on-campus trials are indeed set-up to deal with rape allegations.

So either you agree with the Feminist assessment that there's a massive rape epidemic in North American universities, which is patently stupid, or you disagree with them, in which case TEM is right and you're arguing with him out of pure spite.

I'll submit this as my reply, Sanct ninja'd me on the reply with the statistics.

[Seangoli]

No I've never wondered that or cared tbh. You're a cultural relativist too. I'm equally right!

Yeah, not what cultural relativism actually means, particularly to an anthropologist. Thanks for playing.

[The East Marches II]

No I've never wondered that or cared tbh. You're a cultural relativist too. I'm equally right!

Yeah, not what cultural relativism actually means, particularly to an anthropologist. Thanks for playing.

Of course, we can only pass judgement on Westerners, what was I thinking.

[Imperializt Russia]

You called me a brown person. I am clearly white as shit.
If you're claiming to be a "brown person" yourself, then clearly you actually owe special rights to Aelex since he's been using it a lot longer than you.

When exactly did I ever claimed to be a "brown person" ? Given I'm green-eyed and pale as milk, why would I make such a blatant and useless lie?

Read through it again.

That's not the suggestion.
If you don't get it, well, I'm not in the mood to properly explain it.

Schools don't hold trials, they don't level convictions. They're not courts.
This also isn't anything to do with socialism, but OK.

"Recent batch of fake rape charges"
Yes, fake rape charges exist in the same way that false filing of any crime occurs. But you and "people like you" seem to hold the opinion that a sizeable proportion of all rape accusations are fake because... reasons.
It isn't, it is of course very low. Obviously 1 is too many, as with any false filing of a crime, as it is quite literally an attack on a person's character.

You see the thing about privilege is, you accept you have it and the impact it has on your reasoning - I've not failed to do that, and I take it into account when I make arguments. I refine them in my head, repeatedly.

Most professional Feminists, that is to say people who are actually paid for studying and developing Feminist social theory, posit that 1/5 women who go to college are raped.

This has influenced many colleges and universities throughout the North American continent, and on-campus trials are indeed set-up to deal with rape allegations.

So either you agree with the Feminist assessment that there's a massive rape epidemic in North American universities, which is patently stupid, or you disagree with them, in which case TEM is right and you're arguing with him out of pure spite.

Except those are not "feminist theory" studies.

Those are victimisation studies, by the university administration or crime departments. Or by national bodies.
The authors of these studies further do stress that the results are not indicative of the US as a whole, because they're limited to university students.

But surveys on universities repeatedly return figures for completed or attempted rape or sexual assault (it's not solely rape) of about 19-27%. Consistently. Every time. Even with hundreds of thousands of respondents.
The NCVS reports only a few percent. Why is there a discrepancy? We don't know. But university studies are all consistent with one another.

Either there's a feminist conspiracy to falsify rape statistics and present them as higher than they are, or people respond differently to an academic study than a criminal survey.
One of these conclusions is rational.

[Imperium Sidhicum]

I'd hardly call them terrorists. They're just a bunch of common criminals trying to disguise their violent antisocial activities as political activism.

[Sanctissima]

Most professional Feminists, that is to say people who are actually paid for studying and developing Feminist social theory, posit that 1/5 women who go to college are raped.

This has influenced many colleges and universities throughout the North American continent, and on-campus trials are indeed set-up to deal with rape allegations.

So either you agree with the Feminist assessment that there's a massive rape epidemic in North American universities, which is patently stupid, or you disagree with them, in which case TEM is right and you're arguing with him out of pure spite.

Except those are not "feminist theory" studies.

Those are victimisation studies, by the university administration or crime departments. Or by national bodies.
The authors of these studies further do stress that the results are not indicative of the US as a whole, because they're limited to university students.

But surveys on universities repeatedly return figures for completed or attempted rape or sexual assault (it's not solely rape) of about 19-27%. Consistently. Every time. Even with hundreds of thousands of respondents.
The NCVS reports only a few percent. Why is there a discrepancy? We don't know. But university studies are all consistent with one another.

Either there's a feminist conspiracy to falsify rape statistics and present them as higher than they are, or people respond differently to an academic study than a criminal survey.
One of these conclusions is rational.

They are done by people with degrees in everything from Womens' Studies to Sociology. The actual academic integrity of these researchers is... extremely suspect, to say the least.

Regardless, in terms of the studies themselves, most are either done online or ask extremely vague and misleading questions, or both. Most legitimate studies frequently estimate the number of actual instances of on-campus rape and sexual assault to affect somewhere in the vicinity of 2% of the female student population, or 1/50 women.

Considerable, but nowhere near this ridiculous 1/5 assertion.

[San Marlindo]

You see the thing about privilege is, you accept you have it and the impact it has on your reasoning - I've not failed to do that, and I take it into account when I make arguments. I refine them in my head, repeatedly.

Taking into account one's respective biases, or overcompensating because of them?

[Imperializt Russia]

Except those are not "feminist theory" studies.

Those are victimisation studies, by the university administration or crime departments. Or by national bodies.
The authors of these studies further do stress that the results are not indicative of the US as a whole, because they're limited to university students.

But surveys on universities repeatedly return figures for completed or attempted rape or sexual assault (it's not solely rape) of about 19-27%. Consistently. Every time. Even with hundreds of thousands of respondents.
The NCVS reports only a few percent. Why is there a discrepancy? We don't know. But university studies are all consistent with one another.

Either there's a feminist conspiracy to falsify rape statistics and present them as higher than they are, or people respond differently to an academic study than a criminal survey.
One of these conclusions is rational.

They are done by people with degrees in everything from Womens' Studies to Sociology. The actual academic integrity of these researchers is... extremely suspect, to say the least.

Regardless, in terms of the studies themselves, most are either done online or ask extremely vague and misleading questions, or both. Most legitimate studies frequently estimate the number of actual instances of on-campus rape and sexual assault to affect somewhere in the vicinity of 2% of the female student population, or 1/50 women.

Considerable, but nowhere near this ridiculous 1/5 assertion.

"Legitimate studies"

Nice.
Campus sexual assault studies have comprised hundreds of thousands of respondents over at least a dozen individual surveys (a 2015 study comprising 150,000 respondents) over the last decade, by several geographically disparate institutions. They all return about 19-27% completed or attempted sexual assault or rape.

But nope, the "legitimate studies" say no.
Rather than considering why there may be such a disparity and considering that maybe - just maybe - the true figure lies somewhere between these two extremes, the higher number you find personally inconvenient must be the product of a feminist conspiracy and must therefore be completely disregarded.

Much rational.

[Kubra]

Except those are not "feminist theory" studies.

Those are victimisation studies, by the university administration or crime departments. Or by national bodies.
The authors of these studies further do stress that the results are not indicative of the US as a whole, because they're limited to university students.

But surveys on universities repeatedly return figures for completed or attempted rape or sexual assault (it's not solely rape) of about 19-27%. Consistently. Every time. Even with hundreds of thousands of respondents.
The NCVS reports only a few percent. Why is there a discrepancy? We don't know. But university studies are all consistent with one another.

Either there's a feminist conspiracy to falsify rape statistics and present them as higher than they are, or people respond differently to an academic study than a criminal survey.
One of these conclusions is rational.

They are done by people with degrees in everything from Womens' Studies to Sociology. The actual academic integrity of these researchers is... extremely suspect, to say the least.

Regardless, in terms of the studies themselves, most are either done online or ask extremely vague and misleading questions, or both. Most legitimate studies frequently estimate the number of actual instances of on-campus rape and sexual assault to affect somewhere in the vicinity of 2% of the female student population, or 1/50 women.

Considerable, but nowhere near this ridiculous 1/5 assertion.

sociologists collecting sociological data? Scandalous!
Who should collect it then, physicists?

[Katganistan]

Richard Spencer isn't breaking the law

Why does he deserve to be punched in the face by leftist extremists if he didn't break the law?

His actions being legal doesn't mean they should be socially tolerated.

Mind you, that doesn't mean I approve of him being assaulted as a matter of principle. Ideally, political violence wouldn't be a thing, and I'd much prefer it if we found better ways to delegitimize him and deprive him of any power or influence.

Using our ability of free speech would be the ideal.
Not using fists like common street thugs.

By punching him, you actually get people like me, who hate everything he's about to defend his right to say it and to oppose your position. Congratulations on making him the victim.

[Singularity Multiversal Travel Empire]

They are done by people with degrees in everything from Womens' Studies to Sociology. The actual academic integrity of these researchers is... extremely suspect, to say the least.

Regardless, in terms of the studies themselves, most are either done online or ask extremely vague and misleading questions, or both. Most legitimate studies frequently estimate the number of actual instances of on-campus rape and sexual assault to affect somewhere in the vicinity of 2% of the female student population, or 1/50 women.

Considerable, but nowhere near this ridiculous 1/5 assertion.

sociologists collecting sociological data? Scandalous!
Who should collect it then, physicists?

Only people suspicious of democracy, keen to appeal to natural differences in men and women and reverent of capitalism have the right, lest sexmunism perish from this earth.

[Sanctissima]

They are done by people with degrees in everything from Womens' Studies to Sociology. The actual academic integrity of these researchers is... extremely suspect, to say the least.

Regardless, in terms of the studies themselves, most are either done online or ask extremely vague and misleading questions, or both. Most legitimate studies frequently estimate the number of actual instances of on-campus rape and sexual assault to affect somewhere in the vicinity of 2% of the female student population, or 1/50 women.

Considerable, but nowhere near this ridiculous 1/5 assertion.

sociologists collecting sociological data? Scandalous!
Who should collect it then, physicists?

Mayhap Psychologists.

Y'know, actual academics who aren't glorified pseudo-intellectual Marxists.

[Imperializt Russia]

sociologists collecting sociological data? Scandalous!
Who should collect it then, physicists?

Mayhap Psychologists.

Y'know, actual academics who aren't glorified pseudo-intellectual Marxists.

I mean at this point, what fucking else is there to post.
It's sociological data on a sociological issue. This isn't psychology.

Remember when psychologists were looked down upon as glorified pseudo-intellectuals?

[Ceresnia]

good

[Kubra]

sociologists collecting sociological data? Scandalous!
Who should collect it then, physicists?

Mayhap Psychologists.

Y'know, actual academics who aren't glorified pseudo-intellectual Marxists.

psychologists are pseudo-monarchists, and that is of course my objective and academic position.

[Sanctissima]

Mayhap Psychologists.

Y'know, actual academics who aren't glorified pseudo-intellectual Marxists.

I mean at this point, what fucking else is there to post.
It's sociological data on a sociological issue. This isn't psychology.

Remember when psychologists were looked down upon as glorified pseudo-intellectuals?

Hey, I'll take phallus-obsessed Freud over a bunch of circlejerking Marxists any day of the week.

[Imperializt Russia]

I mean at this point, what fucking else is there to post.
It's sociological data on a sociological issue. This isn't psychology.

Remember when psychologists were looked down upon as glorified pseudo-intellectuals?

Hey, I'll take phallus-obsessed Freud over a bunch of circlejerking Marxists any day of the week.

Sociology isn't Marxism.
It covers Marx for obvious reasons, given his works were applied to put forward Critical Theory. Which is, y'know, how things are... criticised.

[United Empire of Humanity]

Mayhap Psychologists.

Y'know, actual academics who aren't glorified pseudo-intellectual Marxists.

psychologists are pseudo-monarchists, and that is of course my objective and academic position.

nope they all want to do [USER DEATED IN REAL LIFE FOR NSFW]

[Kubra]

I mean at this point, what fucking else is there to post.
It's sociological data on a sociological issue. This isn't psychology.

Remember when psychologists were looked down upon as glorified pseudo-intellectuals?

Hey, I'll take phallus-obsessed Freud over a bunch of circlejerking Marxists any day of the week.

Criminology and correctional studies are usually rolled in with the sociology department, QED cops are Marxists and we actually live in the dictatorship of the proletariat.
We did it, comrades!