Antifa listed as a terrorist organisation in New Jersey

[Minzerland II]

Except in their political opponents.

So why isn't the Klan considered a domestic terrorist organisation then? Considering part of their shtick is the intimidation of ethnic minority communities.

Because the Klan is currently in decline and hasn't intimidated their opposition through violence like ANTIFA has.

I'm unsure as to whether New Jersey's decision is accurate, but ANTIFA is far more the terrorist organisation than the Ku Klux Klan.

[Salus Maior]

HAH! Nice.

[Lorkhan]

Anti-fascism is considered terrorism in the United States?

Yes, and in Nazi Germany, as well.

[Sleet Clans]

It was 'bout bloody time!

[Salus Maior]

Anti-fascism is considered terrorism in the United States?

Acting as a violent mob pretty much is.

[Vassenor]

Get back to me when Antifa seizes federal property.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

Not really.

[Imperializt Russia]

Firstly, calling Antifa 'domestic terrorists' is a wee bit of a stretch, seeing as the worst thing they can apparently dredge up is fighting at protests.

Secondly, why does New Jersey need its own Department of Homeland Security?

Well, when you have a members attacking people with things like bike locks, fireworks in bottles so they shatter and act as glass shrapnel, and other improvised, potentially lethal weapons, in effect trying to use the threat of violence to stop public discourse one disagrees with, you know, trying to use terror to get the public to not argue and accept your platform....

...
totally unlike pro-Trump supporters who also turn up to fight and the pro-Trump militias which in some states actively provide armed security to pro-Trump rallies?

Potentially lethal weapons in effect trying to use the threat of violence to stop public discourse one disagrees with...

[Vassenor]

Well, when you have a members attacking people with things like bike locks, fireworks in bottles so they shatter and act as glass shrapnel, and other improvised, potentially lethal weapons, in effect trying to use the threat of violence to stop public discourse one disagrees with, you know, trying to use terror to get the public to not argue and accept your platform....

...
totally unlike pro-Trump supporters who also turn up to fight and the pro-Trump militias which in some states actively provide armed security to pro-Trump rallies?

Potentially lethal weapons in effect trying to use the threat of violence to stop public discourse one disagrees with...

IOKIYAR.

[United Muscovite Nations]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

Not really.

I know what you're referencing, but it's completely irrelevant to the conversation.

[Salus Maior]

This is pretty dangerous. Antifa isn't well-organised at all, and this basically gives the government the right to name any group affiliated with Antifa or under the label Antifa as a terrorist group, even if it's not engaging in activities that are not terroristic at all.

Well, then I guess they can just do the same non-violent, non-terrorist things under a different name.

[Vassenor]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

Not really.

I know what you're referencing, but it's completely irrelevant to the conversation.

Well unless you also want to charge anyone who has ever been involved in a riot with terrorist offences, I am not sure what your premise was.

[Sanctissima]

Well, when you have a members attacking people with things like bike locks, fireworks in bottles so they shatter and act as glass shrapnel, and other improvised, potentially lethal weapons, in effect trying to use the threat of violence to stop public discourse one disagrees with, you know, trying to use terror to get the public to not argue and accept your platform....

...
totally unlike pro-Trump supporters who also turn up to fight and the pro-Trump militias which in some states actively provide armed security to pro-Trump rallies?

Potentially lethal weapons in effect trying to use the threat of violence to stop public discourse one disagrees with...

Y'know, when your argument boils down to "They do it too!", I'm inclined to believe it doesn't really have much of a leg to stand on.

[Staniel]

Antifa? Using violence to provoke terror and fear over political aims?

I hate Christie (he went on a state beach during the government shutdown which is still active because HES TEH GOVERNAH), but I'm glad that this organization is what it's truly called out to be -- a terrorist organization.

[Italios]

This is pretty dangerous. Antifa isn't well-organised at all, and this basically gives the government the right to name any group affiliated with Antifa or under the label Antifa as a terrorist group, even if it's not engaging in activities that are not terroristic at all.

Well, then I guess they can just do the same non-violent, non-terrorist things under a different name.

Like I said, affiliation with Antifa could give the grounds to dub the group terrorists.

[Imperializt Russia]

So why isn't the Klan considered a domestic terrorist organisation then? Considering part of their shtick is the intimidation of ethnic minority communities.

Because the Klan is currently in decline and hasn't intimidated their opposition through violence like ANTIFA has.

I'm unsure as to whether New Jersey's decision is accurate, but ANTIFA is far more the terrorist organisation than the Ku Klux Klan.

They fight people at protests and break signs, are those who participated in the Baltimore riots terrorists? Is Greenpeace?

It's partisan bullshit. As said, Christieland.

[Sareva]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_herring

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_the_Malheur_National_Wildlife_Refuge

Not really.

Yes, it is. This is a deflection, Red Herring, "Not a real Scotsman" , basically whatever you can think of. Instead of focusing on Antifa, the subject matter, you brought up something completely unrelated. How do some crazy ( I want to say Libertarians?) taking over Federal property compare to thugs smashing windows, lighting fires and burning police cruisers? Attacking innocent people? Stop deflecting and focus on the subject.

[United Muscovite Nations]

I know what you're referencing, but it's completely irrelevant to the conversation.

Well unless you also want to charge anyone who has ever been involved in a riot with terrorist offences, I am not sure what your premise was.

I think we certainly should if they destroyed property with the intent of intimidating people into changing their political stances.

[Minzerland II]

Well, when you have a members attacking people with things like bike locks, fireworks in bottles so they shatter and act as glass shrapnel, and other improvised, potentially lethal weapons, in effect trying to use the threat of violence to stop public discourse one disagrees with, you know, trying to use terror to get the public to not argue and accept your platform....

...
totally unlike pro-Trump supporters who also turn up to fight and the pro-Trump militias which in some states actively provide armed security to pro-Trump rallies?

Potentially lethal weapons in effect trying to use the threat of violence to stop public discourse one disagrees with...

I'm sure you're able to distinguish security and counter-protests that aim to intimidate.

[Salus Maior]

I know what you're referencing, but it's completely irrelevant to the conversation.

Well unless you also want to charge anyone who has ever been involved in a riot with terrorist offences, I am not sure what your premise was.

If it was a group organized to cause a riot, then maybe. Or intentionally went out with the intention of violence.

[36 Camera Perspective]

The whole argument thread of pointing out that the other side has done similar or worse things is dangerous to our political discourse and encourages people not to take responsibility for their actions.

[Salus Maior]

Well, then I guess they can just do the same non-violent, non-terrorist things under a different name.

Like I said, affiliation with Antifa could give the grounds to dub the group terrorists.

Then don't affiliate with Antifa.

[Imperializt Russia]

...
totally unlike pro-Trump supporters who also turn up to fight and the pro-Trump militias which in some states actively provide armed security to pro-Trump rallies?

Potentially lethal weapons in effect trying to use the threat of violence to stop public discourse one disagrees with...

Y'know, when your argument boils down to "They do it too!", I'm inclined to believe it doesn't really have much of a leg to stand on.

That's not my argument, I'm highlighting Craigs' wilful or ignorant omission of the fact that "his side" engages in behaviour he lambasts as terrorism.

My "argument" is that no, antifa are not terrorists and calling them that is dumb - much as calling, say, The Oath Keepers terrorists would be dumb (notwithstanding the fact that Oath Keepers members may commit or contribute to arguably "terrorist actions", ie the Bundy Ranch standoff or the Malheur siege).

[Imperializt Russia]

Like I said, affiliation with Antifa could give the grounds to dub the group terrorists.

Then don't affiliate with Antifa.

"Don't affiliate with jews"

[Athrax]

So why isn't the Klan considered a domestic terrorist organisation then? Considering part of their shtick is the intimidation of ethnic minority communities.

Wait, the Klan *isn't* a domestic terrorist organization?

I hate swearing online but here's an exception. F*** the Klan. They are domestic terrorists.

There isn't a Klan anymore. That was broken to pieces years ago and hasn't reformed. There are several such groups scattered disparately around the country. Most are just bitch and moan clubs, but those that have taken or encouraged action are usually tagged as domestic terrorists pretty quickly

[Vassenor]

Wait, the Klan *isn't* a domestic terrorist organization?

I hate swearing online but here's an exception. F*** the Klan. They are domestic terrorists.

There isn't a Klan anymore. That was broken to pieces years ago and hasn't reformed. There are several such groups scattered disparately around the country. Most are just bitch and moan clubs, but those that have taken or encouraged action are usually tagged as domestic terrorists pretty quickly

In the same way there isn't one organised Antifa. Despite what all the commentators seem to think.