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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:40 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:On one hand I kinda approve but on the other hand fuck Homeland Security.

Different homeland security. NJ has its own department of homeland security
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:41 pm

Thermodolia wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:On one hand I kinda approve but on the other hand fuck Homeland Security.

Different homeland security. NJ has its own department of homeland security


Fuck any and all Departments of Homeland Security.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:41 pm

Terrorism is a term used in its broadest sense to describe the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror or fear, in order to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim.


Not seeing a whole lot of trying to create terror or fear.
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Postby Thermodolia » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:41 pm

Major-Tom wrote:Chris Christie is a homegrown, snack terrorist. Allahu Snickerbar.

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Postby Lorkhan » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:41 pm

This should be extremely interesting, considering that ANTIFA derives a lot of support from legitimate local business and academia. The plot thickens, considering that ANTIFA operates across state lines, so ANTIFA operations in Newark could obviously be tied into several operations across New York and the entire Northeast coast.

It's a beautiful thing to think that as we speak we're seeing a scenario where someone is a domestic terrorist in one state, that same person is given sanctuary less than 12 miles away across the border. I love it. This is the chaos and disenfranchised state of political affairs we need to be great again.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:42 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Terrorism is a term used in its broadest sense to describe the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror or fear, in order to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim.


Not seeing a whole lot of trying to create terror or fear.


Probably because you're not a right winger they'd try to beat up.
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Postby Socialist Nordia » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:42 pm

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Socialist Nordia wrote:I read all the bullet points against Antifa in the link, and something seemed missing. Oh yeah, they were missing even a single example of even a single death caused by Antifa. That's interesting.

Edit: ah, here we are
http://www.strifeandjustice.com/antifa- ... rmed-kill/
One person ever killed by Antifa, and it's a Klansman. Keep in mind this is a far-right anti-Antifa source, and one death is the best they can come up with.

Deaths certainly are rare, true, but extensive property damage and many injuries have been inflicted by them.

property damage

*gasp* not the property. #propertylivesmatter
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:43 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Chan Island wrote:
property damage

*gasp* not the property. #propertylivesmatter

Property damage is a big deal, and you'd know that if you've ever had property damaged.
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Postby Ifreann » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:43 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Terrorism is a term used in its broadest sense to describe the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror or fear, in order to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim.


Not seeing a whole lot of trying to create terror or fear.

Nor indiscriminate violence.
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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:44 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Socialist Nordia wrote:*gasp* not the property. #propertylivesmatter

Property damage is a big deal, and you'd know that if you've ever had property damaged.


Get back to me when Antifa seizes federal property.
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Postby Minzerland II » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:45 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Terrorism is a term used in its broadest sense to describe the use of intentionally indiscriminate violence as a means to create terror or fear, in order to achieve a political, religious or ideological aim.


Not seeing a whole lot of trying to create terror or fear.

Except in their political opponents.
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Postby Mongeley » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:45 pm

Anti-fascism is considered terrorism in the United States?
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Postby 36 Camera Perspective » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:45 pm

Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Thermodolia wrote: Different homeland security. NJ has its own department of homeland security


Fuck any and all Departments of Homeland Security.


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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:46 pm

36 Camera Perspective wrote:
Washington Resistance Army wrote:
Fuck any and all Departments of Homeland Security.


It's just a name.


It's also a nonsensical waste of money on security theater.
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Postby Sareva » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:46 pm

Vassenor wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Property damage is a big deal, and you'd know that if you've ever had property damaged.


Get back to me when Antifa seizes federal property.

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That's quite possibly the best description of antifa I've ever heard.

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Postby Vassenor » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:46 pm

Minzerland II wrote:
Vassenor wrote:
Not seeing a whole lot of trying to create terror or fear.

Except in their political opponents.


So why isn't the Klan considered a domestic terrorist organisation then? Considering part of their shtick is the intimidation of ethnic minority communities.
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:47 pm

Socialist Nordia wrote:
Chan Island wrote:Deaths certainly are rare, true, but extensive property damage and many injuries have been inflicted by them.

property damage

*gasp* not the property. #propertylivesmatter


Well.... yeah, property does you matter you know? I quite like my house being intact while I live in it thank you very much.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:48 pm

Vassenor wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Property damage is a big deal, and you'd know that if you've ever had property damaged.


Get back to me when Antifa seizes federal property.

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Postby Sareva » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:48 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:Except in their political opponents.


So why isn't the Klan considered a domestic terrorist organisation then? Considering part of their shtick is the intimidation of ethnic minority communities.

Have you heard anything major from the Klan recently? Neither have I.

Yeesh, people bring up the Klan just as much as people bring up Hillary's emails. Please discontinue.
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Sareva wrote:They're ancoms LARPing as vigilantes in the name of anti-fascism while acting like the National Socialist Party in Daesh-inspired clothing.

That's quite possibly the best description of antifa I've ever heard.

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Postby The Widening Gyre » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:48 pm

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Socialist Nordia wrote:I read all the bullet points against Antifa in the link, and something seemed missing. Oh yeah, they were missing even a single example of even a single death caused by Antifa. That's interesting.

Edit: ah, here we are
http://www.strifeandjustice.com/antifa- ... rmed-kill/
One person ever killed by Antifa, and it's a Klansman. Keep in mind this is a far-right anti-Antifa source, and one death is the best they can come up with.


Deaths certainly are rare, true, but extensive property damage and many injuries have been inflicted by them.


... 'extensive property damage' is kinda overstating it. If it had been committed by a bunch of drunk freshmen it would make the news as 'vandalism' for the most part.
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Postby Chan Island » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:48 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:Except in their political opponents.


So why isn't the Klan considered a domestic terrorist organisation then? Considering part of their shtick is the intimidation of ethnic minority communities.


Wait, the Klan *isn't* a domestic terrorist organization? :o

I hate swearing online but here's an exception. F*** the Klan. They are domestic terrorists.
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Postby Washington Resistance Army » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:49 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:Except in their political opponents.


So why isn't the Klan considered a domestic terrorist organisation then? Considering part of their shtick is the intimidation of ethnic minority communities.


Probably because the Klan has, like, 300 members that don't do anything except wave flags nowadays.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:50 pm

Vassenor wrote:
Minzerland II wrote:Except in their political opponents.


So why isn't the Klan considered a domestic terrorist organisation then? Considering part of their shtick is the intimidation of ethnic minority communities.

A lot of Klan groups are, but the organization called the "Ku Klux Klan" was forcibly disbanded by the US government decades ago.
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Postby Italios » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:50 pm

This is pretty dangerous. Antifa isn't well-organised at all, and this basically gives the government the right to name any group affiliated with Antifa or under the label Antifa as a terrorist group, even if it's not engaging in activities that are not terroristic at all.
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Postby Lorkhan » Mon Jul 03, 2017 3:50 pm

Another point that I'd like to raise, you know what happens when the state puts pressure on a resistance organization? Typically they radicalize further in the interest of self-preservation. What kind of agenda will begin to accelerate in an instance where ANTIFA are outlawed in New Jersey? Well, we are aware that ANTIFA are already militant, and they're taking great pains to become a violent force with a legitimate presence as a militia. There are actual base camps in New York City where they train, and of course, there are places in the western states where they are congregating for fully armed insurgent preparations.

So you have individuals in New Jersey who are terrorists, and they go across the border to train in say Brooklyn, or they buy a ticket to go out west, then they come back to New Jersey with the intention of using violence to further their scheme. And how far will they take their radicalization then?

This is a beautiful time to be alive if you're an apocalyptic nihilist. We are really watching the precursor to some heavy radical shit.
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