This analogy is so true!

[Barringtonia]

Next 'analogy' please..

[Blitzkrenia]

The better analogy - though not as much fun for our capitalist friends - would be not giving up a point from her GPA but giving some of her time to tutor her friend.

And while doing that may make things "fairer" for the other girl, I don't see why it would be fair to deduct something from her to someone who deserves something. What she earned is hers to keep. Lets say: A boy failed his test as he didn't have enough time to study. Is it then fair to deduct marks from somebody else who ALSO deserves it?

...And that's one of the places that this analogy goes wrong. Socialists do not think it's fair to take away from the deserving. They want the people who deserve more but receive little to be compensated.

[Sdaeriji]

It's true in the dreamworld of people who've little understanding of the factors that lead to them being a position of being able to judge in so haughty a way.

How about the person with a 2.0 average lived in a crowded household, needed a part time job to afford the education let alone books, a computer was a luxury when she could find time on a public, shared facility, had to support her sick mother and a thousand other distractions...

How about that person actually still managed to get a 4.0 despite all the disadvantages but couldn't get a job because of socio-economic status

Then the analogy isn't just about having a good time and going to parties,

Terrible really,

But that is not the scenerio that was presented.

Sure, and hence my point that the scenario is stupid and bears no relation to welfare.

One particular scenario was presented. You didn't like that scenario, so you discarded it and wrote another scenario rather than comment on the original. Typical liberal misdirection.

No, we commented on the original. Particularly how it's a load of utter bullshit.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

It's true in the dreamworld of people who've little understanding of the factors that lead to them being a position of being able to judge in so haughty a way.

How about the person with a 2.0 average lived in a crowded household, needed a part time job to afford the education let alone books, a computer was a luxury when she could find time on a public, shared facility, had to support her sick mother and a thousand other distractions...

How about that person actually still managed to get a 4.0 despite all the disadvantages but couldn't get a job because of socio-economic status

Then the analogy isn't just about having a good time and going to parties,

Terrible really,

But that is not the scenerio that was presented.

Sure, and hence my point that the scenario is stupid and bears no relation to welfare.

One particular scenario was presented. You didn't like that scenario, so you discarded it and wrote another scenario rather than comment on the original. Typical liberal misdirection.

Indeed, but I must admit that this scenario does not apply in all situations...

[Barringtonia]

One particular scenario was presented. You didn't like that scenario, so you discarded it and wrote another scenario rather than comment on the original. Typical liberal misdirection.

You should go into comedy,

[Blitzkrenia]

It's true in the dreamworld of people who've little understanding of the factors that lead to them being a position of being able to judge in so haughty a way.

How about the person with a 2.0 average lived in a crowded household, needed a part time job to afford the education let alone books, a computer was a luxury when she could find time on a public, shared facility, had to support her sick mother and a thousand other distractions...

How about that person actually still managed to get a 4.0 despite all the disadvantages but couldn't get a job because of socio-economic status

Then the analogy isn't just about having a good time and going to parties,

Terrible really,

But that is not the scenerio that was presented.

Sure, and hence my point that the scenario is stupid and bears no relation to welfare.

One particular scenario was presented. You didn't like that scenario, so you discarded it and wrote another scenario rather than comment on the original. Typical liberal misdirection.

Not really misdirection-Just a replacement for a flawed misguiding analogy.

[Natapoc]

It's true in the dreamworld of people who've little understanding of the factors that lead to them being a position of being able to judge in so haughty a way.

How about the person with a 2.0 average lived in a crowded household, needed a part time job to afford the education let alone books, a computer was a luxury when she could find time on a public, shared facility, had to support her sick mother and a thousand other distractions...

How about that person actually still managed to get a 4.0 despite all the disadvantages but couldn't get a job because of socio-economic status

Then the analogy isn't just about having a good time and going to parties,

Terrible really,

But that is not the scenerio that was presented.

That's the point. The scenario presented is unrepresentative, wholly unrealistic, and unnecessarily narrow in scope. It takes one particular, rare if even present at all, situation regarding welfare, and treats it as if it's the only thing that is happening.

Additionally it misrepresents capitalism and carries the false assumption that people who work harder make more money. This is sometimes true and often not.

Additionally it lacks all semblance of class analysis. See this girl and her friend started out equally in the story and her friend decided to play while she worked. This is opposed to reality where people start out with differences in initial wealth. The differences in opportunities depend not as much on who YOU are as who your parents are.

If you are a saudi prince you can work less then average but have far far more then the hardest working janitor in the world who works 20 hours a day.

Since you have no choice of where you are born and few choices of opportunity after that (did you pick your elementary school? How about your native language? Your neighbourhood?)

Again this is very different then in your analogy which assumes wealth=grades.

Grades are far more equal since everyone starts at the same point (well there are differences here too but significantly less then in the economy)

[Albignano]

No, it is not.

It's a true analagy. How isn't it?

Well, this means that if my father had a 4.0 GPA, I can inherit it?


True, that's a real anAlogy!

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

If she had really been in such a predicament, the solution would be to provide more educational facilities and let charity do its work instead of taking my marks and giving it to her.

[Blitzkrenia]

No, it is not.

It's a true analagy. How isn't it?

Well, this means that if my father had a 4.0 GPA, I can inherit it?

Sure-You get your father's grade card, but not his grades.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

It's true in the dreamworld of people who've little understanding of the factors that lead to them being a position of being able to judge in so haughty a way.

How about the person with a 2.0 average lived in a crowded household, needed a part time job to afford the education let alone books, a computer was a luxury when she could find time on a public, shared facility, had to support her sick mother and a thousand other distractions...

How about that person actually still managed to get a 4.0 despite all the disadvantages but couldn't get a job because of socio-economic status

Then the analogy isn't just about having a good time and going to parties,

Terrible really,

But that is not the scenerio that was presented.

That's the point. The scenario presented is unrepresentative, wholly unrealistic, and unnecessarily narrow in scope. It takes one particular, rare if even present at all, situation regarding welfare, and treats it as if it's the only thing that is happening.

Additionally it misrepresents capitalism and carries the false assumption that people who work harder make more money. This is sometimes true and often not.

Additionally it lacks all semblance of class analysis. See this girl and her friend started out equally in the story and her friend decided to play while she worked. This is opposed to reality where people start out with differences in initial wealth. The differences in opportunities depend not as much on who YOU are as who your parents are.

If you are a saudi prince you can work less then average but have far far more then the hardest working janitor in the world who works 20 hours a day.

Since you have no choice of where you are born and few choices of opportunity after that (did you pick your elementary school? How about your native language? Your neighbourhood?)

Again this is very different then in your analogy which assumes wealth=grades.

Grades are far more equal since everyone starts at the same point (well there are differences here two but significantly less then in the economy)

The solution to YOUR problem is inheritance tax, not income tax which is open to abuse.

[Sdaeriji]

If she had really been in such a predicament, the solution would be to provide more educational facilities and let charity do its work instead of taking my marks and giving it to her.

Okay, the father is the one who proposed the grades redistribution, because he thought he was cleverly making a point. Three pages of this thread have been dedicated to trying to impress upon people like you that that is not how socialism works.

[Blitzkrenia]

The solution to YOUR problem is inheritance tax, not income tax which is open to abuse.

Inheritance tax does not take environmental influence into account.

[Kalasparata]

OT:Wow, I can't belive how popular this thread's gotten. 3 pages in 10 min!

[Blitzkrenia]

OT:Wow, I can't belive how popular this thread's gotten. 3 pages in 10 min!

That's usually not a good thing.

[Sdaeriji]

OT:Wow, I can't belive how popular this thread's gotten. 3 pages in 10 min!

And all without any sort of intelligent contribution from you!

[Blitzkrenia]

No, it is not.

It's a true analagy. How isn't it?

Well, this means that if my father had a 4.0 GPA, I can inherit it?


True, that's a real anAlogy!

*Cringe*

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

If she had really been in such a predicament, the solution would be to provide more educational facilities and let charity do its work instead of taking my marks and giving it to her.

Okay, the father is the one who proposed the grades redistribution, because he thought he was cleverly making a point. Three pages of this thread have been dedicated to trying to impress upon people like you that that is not how socialism works.

i bought a car. The government is taxing me to buy a car for everyone but since I already have one I'm not eligible. .Like that?

[Farnhamia]

It's true in the dreamworld of people who've little understanding of the factors that lead to them being a position of being able to judge in so haughty a way.

How about the person with a 2.0 average lived in a crowded household, needed a part time job to afford the education let alone books, a computer was a luxury when she could find time on a public, shared facility, had to support her sick mother and a thousand other distractions...

Then the analogy isn't just about having a good time and going to parties,

Terrible really,

That still doesn't prove wealth redistribution in other cases right.

In the analogy given, the girl with a 2.0 probably doesn't need a job, to afford going to all those parties, her parents are probably rich enough to pay anyway,

The analogy is about as bad as it gets,

It speaks more to the ignorance of the father than anything else,

The father is not ignorant in the case of that particular girl, my dear sir:)

The keyword here being "particular". There are many different hypothetical cases.

The better analogy - though not as much fun for our capitalist friends - would be not giving up a point from her GPA but giving some of her time to tutor her friend.

And while doing that may make things "fairer" for the other girl, I don't see why it would be fair to deduct something from her to someone who deserves something. What she earned is hers to keep. Lets say: A boy failed his test as he didn't have enough time to study. Is it then fair to deduct marks from somebody else who ALSO deserves it?

You miss the point. By helping the other girl she isn't making it "fairer." It isn't a leveling process, as if there were only so many points of GPA available to all students. It isn't as if raising one person's GPA automatically lowered someone else's. She's helping her friend learn the material so she can earn a hire GPA by herself.

The correct analogy would be that the buying power of money earned is equivalent to the knowledge gained in studying. Grade Point Averages and bank account balances are only arbitrary quantifications. When you pay taxes you contribute some of your buying power to the government so that it can provide assistance to your fellow citizens who happen to be in need. The idea is not to make everyone the same but to raise up the people who have stumbled.

[Blitzkrenia]

If she had really been in such a predicament, the solution would be to provide more educational facilities and let charity do its work instead of taking my marks and giving it to her.

Okay, the father is the one who proposed the grades redistribution, because he thought he was cleverly making a point. Three pages of this thread have been dedicated to trying to impress upon people like you that that is not how socialism works.

i bought a car. The government is taxing me to buy a car for everyone but since I already have one I'm not eligible. .Like that?

No.

[Albignano]

OT:Wow, I can't belive how popular this thread's gotten. 3 pages in 10 min!

And all without any sort of intelligent contribution from you!

[Barringtonia]

George Bush's GPA was 2.35 - there's an analogy for you,

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

If she had really been in such a predicament, the solution would be to provide more educational facilities and let charity do its work instead of taking my marks and giving it to her.

Okay, the father is the one who proposed the grades redistribution, because he thought he was cleverly making a point. Three pages of this thread have been dedicated to trying to impress upon people like you that that is not how socialism works.

i bought a car. The government is taxing me to buy a car for everyone but since I already have one I'm not eligible. .Like that?

No.

I have another one: that guy earns no money as he doesn't work. I earn money because I work on a farm. now, the government wants to tax me lots and tax him nothing. Even if I get equal treatment as him, it's still unfair as I lost more.

[Farnhamia]

If she had really been in such a predicament, the solution would be to provide more educational facilities and let charity do its work instead of taking my marks and giving it to her.

Okay, the father is the one who proposed the grades redistribution, because he thought he was cleverly making a point. Three pages of this thread have been dedicated to trying to impress upon people like you that that is not how socialism works.

i bought a car. The government is taxing me to buy a car for everyone but since I already have one I'm not eligible. .Like that?

Not like that at all. Don't be obtuse.

[Sdaeriji]

If she had really been in such a predicament, the solution would be to provide more educational facilities and let charity do its work instead of taking my marks and giving it to her.

Okay, the father is the one who proposed the grades redistribution, because he thought he was cleverly making a point. Three pages of this thread have been dedicated to trying to impress upon people like you that that is not how socialism works.

i bought a car. The government is taxing me to buy a car for everyone but since I already have one I'm not eligible. .Like that?

No.