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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:13 am

Natapoc wrote:
Nobel Hobos wrote:Is it a "personal attack" to ask a poster if they are human ?

It does address the poster not the content of their post. But if the "poster" is in fact a chatbot, in what sense is it a "personal attack" ? What is attacked ? Not a person !

Surely any poster which offers a personal note like "I am a proud Conservative" would not consider it too personal to be asked if they are human ?

Why would any human be ashamed to be so, when asked by another human ?

I declare myself human; while admitting that I do employ automation in the form of spell-check, and cut-n-paste of short passages in quote marks, and individual words like names.

Eternal Yerushalayim's name, for instance, I did cut-n-paste. Only to pay the respect of spelling it correctly though.

Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:P.S You know me. i'm Eternal Life with God.


Are you a human ?


Why? Did someone say it was a personal attack?

Not me, in any case. My annoying conservative image was sure like a bot.
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Postby Nobel Hobos » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:17 am

Natapoc wrote:
Nobel Hobos wrote:Is it a "personal attack" to ask a poster if they are human ?

It does address the poster not the content of their post. But if the "poster" is in fact a chatbot, in what sense is it a "personal attack" ? What is attacked ? Not a person !

Surely any poster which offers a personal note like "I am a proud Conservative" would not consider it too personal to be asked if they are human ?

Why would any human be ashamed to be so, when asked by another human ?

I declare myself human; while admitting that I do employ automation in the form of spell-check, and cut-n-paste of short passages in quote marks, and individual words like names.

Eternal Yerushalayim's name, for instance, I did cut-n-paste. Only to pay the respect of spelling it correctly though.

Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:P.S You know me. i'm Eternal Life with God.


Are you a human ?


Why? Did someone say it was a personal attack?


I'm trying to give consideration to OTHER reasons for not answering the question.

Admitted use of a chatbot on General is something I would take to Moderation (asserting both Trolling and Spamming).

Continued evasion of the question is insufficient grounds for such an appeal. But I will employ the Ignore function.
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Postby Brandenburg-Altmark » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:19 am

This thread contains the most inane discussion I've ever witnessed in my life. How does it feel to smash your head on a brick wall over and over, Natapoc&Co.?
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Postby Natapoc » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:22 am

Brandenburg-Altmark wrote:This thread contains the most inane discussion I've ever witnessed in my life. How does it feel to smash your head on a brick wall over and over, Natapoc&Co.?


Like talking with a chat bot. I actually went out and had a 20 minute conversation with alicebot during this. I'm not sure which conversation was more productive.
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Postby Nobel Hobos » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:35 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Nobel Hobos wrote:Is it a "personal attack" to ask a poster if they are human ?

It does address the poster not the content of their post. But if the "poster" is in fact a chatbot, in what sense is it a "personal attack" ? What is attacked ? Not a person !

Surely any poster which offers a personal note like "I am a proud Conservative" would not consider it too personal to be asked if they are human ?

Why would any human be ashamed to be so, when asked by another human ?

I declare myself human; while admitting that I do employ automation in the form of spell-check, and cut-n-paste of short passages in quote marks, and individual words like names.

Eternal Yerushalayim's name, for instance, I did cut-n-paste. Only to pay the respect of spelling it correctly though.

Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:P.S You know me. i'm Eternal Life with God.


Are you a human ?


Why? Did someone say it was a personal attack?

Not me, in any case. My annoying conservative image was sure like a bot.


Is that an admission that you were deliberately being annoying ? And/or, that you presented a "conservative image" which was not at all sincere ?

I might look favourably on such an admission, if you would undertake never to do it again.

Deliberate obtuseness doesn't pass for "parody". It's just too easy to do. As a worthless and time-wasting role on the forum, it ranks up there with Trolling and Spamming.

You have still not answered my question.

Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:P.S You know me. i'm Eternal Life with God.


Are you a human ?


If you do not intend to answer, please say why not.
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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:03 am

Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Natapoc wrote:
Nobel Hobos wrote:Is it a "personal attack" to ask a poster if they are human ?

It does address the poster not the content of their post. But if the "poster" is in fact a chatbot, in what sense is it a "personal attack" ? What is attacked ? Not a person !

Surely any poster which offers a personal note like "I am a proud Conservative" would not consider it too personal to be asked if they are human ?

Why would any human be ashamed to be so, when asked by another human ?

I declare myself human; while admitting that I do employ automation in the form of spell-check, and cut-n-paste of short passages in quote marks, and individual words like names.

Eternal Yerushalayim's name, for instance, I did cut-n-paste. Only to pay the respect of spelling it correctly though.

Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:P.S You know me. i'm Eternal Life with God.


Are you a human ?


Why? Did someone say it was a personal attack?

Not me, in any case. My annoying conservative image was sure like a bot.


Is that an admission that you were deliberately being annoying ? And/or, that you presented a "conservative image" which was not at all sincere ?

I might look favourably on such an admission, if you would undertake never to do it again.

Deliberate obtuseness doesn't pass for "parody". It's just too easy to do. As a worthless and time-wasting role on the forum, it ranks up there with Trolling and Spamming.

You have still not answered my question.

Nobel Hobos wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:P.S You know me. i'm Eternal Life with God.


Are you a human ?


If you do not intend to answer, please say why not.

Bah, I'm a Conservative Human and stop asking.
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Postby New Kereptica » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:12 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:Bah, I'm a Conservative Human and stop asking.


Are you human, or are you dancer?
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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:12 am

New Kereptica wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:Bah, I'm a Conservative Human and stop asking.


Are you human, or are you dancer?

HUMAN who thinks that he is annoying.
"The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. " -Saint Augustine
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."-Albert Einstein
"The first and simplest emotion which we discover in the human mind, is curiosity." -Edmund Burke

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Postby Grainne Ni Malley » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:26 am

But that's not all folks...

We left off with one young lady working ever so hard for a 4.0 GPA and another young lady achieving a modest 2.0 because she was too busy partying to study.

The daughter continued to work hard and immerse herself in her studies throughout college. Meanwhile, her friend got asked to pose in Playboy and hooked up with a Rock Star at the Playboy Mansion. He bought her breast implants and, in no time at all, she became a high profile celebrity earning millions.

The girl who worked so hard for her money did eventually get a good paying job and hoarded all of her money. She wouldn't even put her money in banks because that bailout was Socialism as its worst. She hid it all in her mattress. Eventually, someone broke into her house and took everything she had worked so hard for.

The crook was caught and, during the course of the trial, his story came out. His parents lost everything they owned in a natural disaster. To make matters worse, his mother died from a horrible illness because his parents couldn't afford to pay all the medical bills after their insurance got dropped. His widowed father couldn't afford to send him to college, but the young man got by working hard in a construction job. He got married, bought a house and had kids.

Suddenly the economy bottomed out and he lost his job. Everywhere he looked, no one was hiring. Especially not some guy without a degree. Before he knew it, there was a foreclosure sign on his house and his kids were starving. He was too proud to accept some Socialist handout like welfare, but he couldn't stand to watch his kids suffering. Finally, out of desperation, he broke into this young lady's house. He got sent to jail for his crime, but the lady who had worked so hard for everything was left with nothing.

She moved back in with her parents and commiserated with her father. "Dad, it's so unfair! How can someone work so hard for everything and just have it all taken away in an instant?"

Her father shook his head sadly and said, "Daughter, welcome to the real world."
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:30 am

Grainne Ni Malley wrote:But that's not all folks...

We left off with one young lady working ever so hard for a 4.0 GPA and another young lady achieving a modest 2.0 because she was too busy partying to study.

The daughter continued to work hard and immerse herself in her studies throughout college. Meanwhile, her friend got asked to pose in Playboy and hooked up with a Rock Star at the Playboy Mansion. He bought her breast implants and, in no time at all, she became a high profile celebrity earning millions.

The girl who worked so hard for her money did eventually get a good paying job and hoarded all of her money. She wouldn't even put her money in banks because that bailout was Socialism as its worst. She hid it all in her mattress. Eventually, someone broke into her house and took everything she had worked so hard for.

The crook was caught and, during the course of the trial, his story came out. His parents lost everything they owned in a natural disaster. To make matters worse, his mother died from a horrible illness because his parents couldn't afford to pay all the medical bills after their insurance got dropped. His widowed father couldn't afford to send him to college, but the young man got by working hard in a construction job. He got married, bought a house and had kids.

Suddenly the economy bottomed out and he lost his job. Everywhere he looked, no one was hiring. Especially not some guy without a degree. Before he knew it, there was a foreclosure sign on his house and his kids were starving. He was too proud to accept some Socialist handout like welfare, but he couldn't stand to watch his kids suffering. Finally, out of desperation, he broke into this young lady's house. He got sent to jail for his crime, but the lady who had worked so hard for everything was left with nothing.

She moved back in with her parents and commiserated with her father. "Dad, it's so unfair! How can someone work so hard for everything and just have it all taken away in an instant?"

Her father shook his head sadly and said, "Daughter, welcome to the real world."


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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:32 am

Grainne Ni Malley wrote:But that's not all folks...

We left off with one young lady working ever so hard for a 4.0 GPA and another young lady achieving a modest 2.0 because she was too busy partying to study.

The daughter continued to work hard and immerse herself in her studies throughout college. Meanwhile, her friend got asked to pose in Playboy and hooked up with a Rock Star at the Playboy Mansion. He bought her breast implants and, in no time at all, she became a high profile celebrity earning millions.

The girl who worked so hard for her money did eventually get a good paying job and hoarded all of her money. She wouldn't even put her money in banks because that bailout was Socialism as its worst. She hid it all in her mattress. Eventually, someone broke into her house and took everything she had worked so hard for.

The crook was caught and, during the course of the trial, his story came out. His parents lost everything they owned in a natural disaster. To make matters worse, his mother died from a horrible illness because his parents couldn't afford to pay all the medical bills after their insurance got dropped. His widowed father couldn't afford to send him to college, but the young man got by working hard in a construction job. He got married, bought a house and had kids.

Suddenly the economy bottomed out and he lost his job. Everywhere he looked, no one was hiring. Especially not some guy without a degree. Before he knew it, there was a foreclosure sign on his house and his kids were starving. He was too proud to accept some Socialist handout like welfare, but he couldn't stand to watch his kids suffering. Finally, out of desperation, he broke into this young lady's house. He got sent to jail for his crime, but the lady who had worked so hard for everything was left with nothing.

She moved back in with her parents and commiserated with her father. "Dad, it's so unfair! How can someone work so hard for everything and just have it all taken away in an instant?"

Her father shook his head sadly and said, "Daughter, look for the government. You lost your money to him, he handed his time to the government."
P.S Education is free and if childcare is that bad in your nation....
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As for the natural disaster- the government should have better protection, but other than that it's sort of funny.
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"The first and simplest emotion which we discover in the human mind, is curiosity." -Edmund Burke

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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:36 am

Grainne Ni Malley wrote:But that's not all folks...

We left off with one young lady working ever so hard for a 4.0 GPA and another young lady achieving a modest 2.0 because she was too busy partying to study.

The daughter continued to work hard and immerse herself in her studies throughout college. Meanwhile, her friend got asked to pose in Playboy and hooked up with a Rock Star at the Playboy Mansion. He bought her breast implants and, in no time at all, she became a high profile celebrity earning millions.

The girl who worked so hard for her money did eventually get a good paying job and hoarded all of her money. She wouldn't even put her money in banks because that bailout was Socialism as its worst. She hid it all in her mattress. Eventually, someone broke into her house and took everything she had worked so hard for.

The crook was caught and, during the course of the trial, his story came out. His parents lost everything they owned in a natural disaster. To make matters worse, his mother died from a horrible illness because his parents couldn't afford to pay all the medical bills after their insurance got dropped. His widowed father couldn't afford to send him to college, but the young man got by working hard in a construction job. He got married, bought a house and had kids.

Suddenly the economy bottomed out and he lost his job. Everywhere he looked, no one was hiring. Especially not some guy without a degree. Before he knew it, there was a foreclosure sign on his house and his kids were starving. He was too proud to accept some Socialist handout like welfare, but he couldn't stand to watch his kids suffering. Finally, out of desperation, he broke into this young lady's house. He got sent to jail for his crime, but the lady who had worked so hard for everything was left with nothing.

She moved back in with her parents and commiserated with her father. "Dad, it's so unfair! How can someone work so hard for everything and just have it all taken away in an instant?"

Her father shook his head sadly and said, "Daughter, welcome to the real world."


You have not proven the first scenario wrong, though. Plus, she was a very stupid conservative because the bailout, though bad, was not a good reason to keep your money in any old place.
"The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. " -Saint Augustine
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."-Albert Einstein
"The first and simplest emotion which we discover in the human mind, is curiosity." -Edmund Burke

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Postby Grainne Ni Malley » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:45 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grainne Ni Malley wrote:But that's not all folks...

We left off with one young lady working ever so hard for a 4.0 GPA and another young lady achieving a modest 2.0 because she was too busy partying to study.

The daughter continued to work hard and immerse herself in her studies throughout college. Meanwhile, her friend got asked to pose in Playboy and hooked up with a Rock Star at the Playboy Mansion. He bought her breast implants and, in no time at all, she became a high profile celebrity earning millions.

The girl who worked so hard for her money did eventually get a good paying job and hoarded all of her money. She wouldn't even put her money in banks because that bailout was Socialism as its worst. She hid it all in her mattress. Eventually, someone broke into her house and took everything she had worked so hard for.

The crook was caught and, during the course of the trial, his story came out. His parents lost everything they owned in a natural disaster. To make matters worse, his mother died from a horrible illness because his parents couldn't afford to pay all the medical bills after their insurance got dropped. His widowed father couldn't afford to send him to college, but the young man got by working hard in a construction job. He got married, bought a house and had kids.

Suddenly the economy bottomed out and he lost his job. Everywhere he looked, no one was hiring. Especially not some guy without a degree. Before he knew it, there was a foreclosure sign on his house and his kids were starving. He was too proud to accept some Socialist handout like welfare, but he couldn't stand to watch his kids suffering. Finally, out of desperation, he broke into this young lady's house. He got sent to jail for his crime, but the lady who had worked so hard for everything was left with nothing.

She moved back in with her parents and commiserated with her father. "Dad, it's so unfair! How can someone work so hard for everything and just have it all taken away in an instant?"


Her father shook his head sadly and said, "Daughter, look for the government. You lost your money to him, he handed his time to the government."
P.S Education is free and if childcare is that bad in your nation....
As for the natural disaster- the government should have better protection, but other than that it's sort of funny.


Quotes fixed.

Now. Where I live education, at least the good kind, is not free. Scholarships are not available to everyone, even those who work hard to get good grades. Childcare is not free. Not ever. Not unless you are on welfare (Social program).

According to your line of thought, why should anyone who didn't work hard for it get free help -even in the case of a natural disaster? Helping those in need? Why, I never! That's a Socialist concept!

Edit: It sounds like where you live has some pretty Socialist concepts.
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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:47 am

Grainne Ni Malley wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grainne Ni Malley wrote:But that's not all folks...

We left off with one young lady working ever so hard for a 4.0 GPA and another young lady achieving a modest 2.0 because she was too busy partying to study.

The daughter continued to work hard and immerse herself in her studies throughout college. Meanwhile, her friend got asked to pose in Playboy and hooked up with a Rock Star at the Playboy Mansion. He bought her breast implants and, in no time at all, she became a high profile celebrity earning millions.

The girl who worked so hard for her money did eventually get a good paying job and hoarded all of her money. She wouldn't even put her money in banks because that bailout was Socialism as its worst. She hid it all in her mattress. Eventually, someone broke into her house and took everything she had worked so hard for.

The crook was caught and, during the course of the trial, his story came out. His parents lost everything they owned in a natural disaster. To make matters worse, his mother died from a horrible illness because his parents couldn't afford to pay all the medical bills after their insurance got dropped. His widowed father couldn't afford to send him to college, but the young man got by working hard in a construction job. He got married, bought a house and had kids.

Suddenly the economy bottomed out and he lost his job. Everywhere he looked, no one was hiring. Especially not some guy without a degree. Before he knew it, there was a foreclosure sign on his house and his kids were starving. He was too proud to accept some Socialist handout like welfare, but he couldn't stand to watch his kids suffering. Finally, out of desperation, he broke into this young lady's house. He got sent to jail for his crime, but the lady who had worked so hard for everything was left with nothing.

She moved back in with her parents and commiserated with her father. "Dad, it's so unfair! How can someone work so hard for everything and just have it all taken away in an instant?"


Her father shook his head sadly and said, "Daughter, look for the government. You lost your money to him, he handed his time to the government."
P.S Education is free and if childcare is that bad in your nation....
As for the natural disaster- the government should have better protection, but other than that it's sort of funny.


Quotes fixed.

Now. Where I live education, at least the good kind, is not free. Scholarships are not available to everyone, even those who work hard to get good grades. Childcare is not free. Not ever. Not unless you are on welfare (Social program).

According to your line of thought, why should anyone who didn't work hard for it get free help -even in the case of a natural disaster? Helping those in need? Why, I never! That's a Socialist concept!

Preventing natural disasters by building dykes and all may be socialism but anyone in their right mind would do it unless they want people to die. Childcare(even milk and all) isn't free?
"The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. " -Saint Augustine
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."-Albert Einstein
"The first and simplest emotion which we discover in the human mind, is curiosity." -Edmund Burke

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Postby Grainne Ni Malley » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:54 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grainne Ni Malley wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grainne Ni Malley wrote:But that's not all folks...

We left off with one young lady working ever so hard for a 4.0 GPA and another young lady achieving a modest 2.0 because she was too busy partying to study.

The daughter continued to work hard and immerse herself in her studies throughout college. Meanwhile, her friend got asked to pose in Playboy and hooked up with a Rock Star at the Playboy Mansion. He bought her breast implants and, in no time at all, she became a high profile celebrity earning millions.

The girl who worked so hard for her money did eventually get a good paying job and hoarded all of her money. She wouldn't even put her money in banks because that bailout was Socialism as its worst. She hid it all in her mattress. Eventually, someone broke into her house and took everything she had worked so hard for.

The crook was caught and, during the course of the trial, his story came out. His parents lost everything they owned in a natural disaster. To make matters worse, his mother died from a horrible illness because his parents couldn't afford to pay all the medical bills after their insurance got dropped. His widowed father couldn't afford to send him to college, but the young man got by working hard in a construction job. He got married, bought a house and had kids.

Suddenly the economy bottomed out and he lost his job. Everywhere he looked, no one was hiring. Especially not some guy without a degree. Before he knew it, there was a foreclosure sign on his house and his kids were starving. He was too proud to accept some Socialist handout like welfare, but he couldn't stand to watch his kids suffering. Finally, out of desperation, he broke into this young lady's house. He got sent to jail for his crime, but the lady who had worked so hard for everything was left with nothing.

She moved back in with her parents and commiserated with her father. "Dad, it's so unfair! How can someone work so hard for everything and just have it all taken away in an instant?"


Her father shook his head sadly and said, "Daughter, look for the government. You lost your money to him, he handed his time to the government."
P.S Education is free and if childcare is that bad in your nation....
As for the natural disaster- the government should have better protection, but other than that it's sort of funny.


Quotes fixed.

Now. Where I live education, at least the good kind, is not free. Scholarships are not available to everyone, even those who work hard to get good grades. Childcare is not free. Not ever. Not unless you are on welfare (Social program).

According to your line of thought, why should anyone who didn't work hard for it get free help -even in the case of a natural disaster? Helping those in need? Why, I never! That's a Socialist concept!

Preventing natural disasters by building dykes and all may be socialism but anyone in their right mind would do it unless they want people to die. Childcare(even milk and all) isn't free?


No. Free milk and free childcare are concepts of Socialism.
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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 4:56 am

Grainne Ni Malley wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grainne Ni Malley wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grainne Ni Malley wrote:But that's not all folks...

We left off with one young lady working ever so hard for a 4.0 GPA and another young lady achieving a modest 2.0 because she was too busy partying to study.

The daughter continued to work hard and immerse herself in her studies throughout college. Meanwhile, her friend got asked to pose in Playboy and hooked up with a Rock Star at the Playboy Mansion. He bought her breast implants and, in no time at all, she became a high profile celebrity earning millions.

The girl who worked so hard for her money did eventually get a good paying job and hoarded all of her money. She wouldn't even put her money in banks because that bailout was Socialism as its worst. She hid it all in her mattress. Eventually, someone broke into her house and took everything she had worked so hard for.

The crook was caught and, during the course of the trial, his story came out. His parents lost everything they owned in a natural disaster. To make matters worse, his mother died from a horrible illness because his parents couldn't afford to pay all the medical bills after their insurance got dropped. His widowed father couldn't afford to send him to college, but the young man got by working hard in a construction job. He got married, bought a house and had kids.

Suddenly the economy bottomed out and he lost his job. Everywhere he looked, no one was hiring. Especially not some guy without a degree. Before he knew it, there was a foreclosure sign on his house and his kids were starving. He was too proud to accept some Socialist handout like welfare, but he couldn't stand to watch his kids suffering. Finally, out of desperation, he broke into this young lady's house. He got sent to jail for his crime, but the lady who had worked so hard for everything was left with nothing.

She moved back in with her parents and commiserated with her father. "Dad, it's so unfair! How can someone work so hard for everything and just have it all taken away in an instant?"


Her father shook his head sadly and said, "Daughter, look for the government. You lost your money to him, he handed his time to the government."
P.S Education is free and if childcare is that bad in your nation....
As for the natural disaster- the government should have better protection, but other than that it's sort of funny.


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Now. Where I live education, at least the good kind, is not free. Scholarships are not available to everyone, even those who work hard to get good grades. Childcare is not free. Not ever. Not unless you are on welfare (Social program).

According to your line of thought, why should anyone who didn't work hard for it get free help -even in the case of a natural disaster? Helping those in need? Why, I never! That's a Socialist concept!

Preventing natural disasters by building dykes and all may be socialism but anyone in their right mind would do it unless they want people to die. Childcare(even milk and all) isn't free?


No. Free milk and free childcare are concepts of Socialism.

I consider that equality of opportunity.I wouldn't mind socialist programs if everyone pays the same amount and unnecessary regulation doesn't appear.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:04 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grainne Ni Malley wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grainne Ni Malley wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grainne Ni Malley wrote:But that's not all folks...

We left off with one young lady working ever so hard for a 4.0 GPA and another young lady achieving a modest 2.0 because she was too busy partying to study.

The daughter continued to work hard and immerse herself in her studies throughout college. Meanwhile, her friend got asked to pose in Playboy and hooked up with a Rock Star at the Playboy Mansion. He bought her breast implants and, in no time at all, she became a high profile celebrity earning millions.

The girl who worked so hard for her money did eventually get a good paying job and hoarded all of her money. She wouldn't even put her money in banks because that bailout was Socialism as its worst. She hid it all in her mattress. Eventually, someone broke into her house and took everything she had worked so hard for.

The crook was caught and, during the course of the trial, his story came out. His parents lost everything they owned in a natural disaster. To make matters worse, his mother died from a horrible illness because his parents couldn't afford to pay all the medical bills after their insurance got dropped. His widowed father couldn't afford to send him to college, but the young man got by working hard in a construction job. He got married, bought a house and had kids.

Suddenly the economy bottomed out and he lost his job. Everywhere he looked, no one was hiring. Especially not some guy without a degree. Before he knew it, there was a foreclosure sign on his house and his kids were starving. He was too proud to accept some Socialist handout like welfare, but he couldn't stand to watch his kids suffering. Finally, out of desperation, he broke into this young lady's house. He got sent to jail for his crime, but the lady who had worked so hard for everything was left with nothing.

She moved back in with her parents and commiserated with her father. "Dad, it's so unfair! How can someone work so hard for everything and just have it all taken away in an instant?"


Her father shook his head sadly and said, "Daughter, look for the government. You lost your money to him, he handed his time to the government."
P.S Education is free and if childcare is that bad in your nation....
As for the natural disaster- the government should have better protection, but other than that it's sort of funny.


Quotes fixed.

Now. Where I live education, at least the good kind, is not free. Scholarships are not available to everyone, even those who work hard to get good grades. Childcare is not free. Not ever. Not unless you are on welfare (Social program).

According to your line of thought, why should anyone who didn't work hard for it get free help -even in the case of a natural disaster? Helping those in need? Why, I never! That's a Socialist concept!

Preventing natural disasters by building dykes and all may be socialism but anyone in their right mind would do it unless they want people to die. Childcare(even milk and all) isn't free?


No. Free milk and free childcare are concepts of Socialism.

I consider that equality of opportunity.I wouldn't mind socialist programs if everyone pays the same amount and unnecessary regulation doesn't appear.


Everyone pays the same amount?

So - people who are so poor they NEED help... are paying the same as millionaires?
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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:07 am

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grainne Ni Malley wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grainne Ni Malley wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grainne Ni Malley wrote:But that's not all folks...

We left off with one young lady working ever so hard for a 4.0 GPA and another young lady achieving a modest 2.0 because she was too busy partying to study.

The daughter continued to work hard and immerse herself in her studies throughout college. Meanwhile, her friend got asked to pose in Playboy and hooked up with a Rock Star at the Playboy Mansion. He bought her breast implants and, in no time at all, she became a high profile celebrity earning millions.

The girl who worked so hard for her money did eventually get a good paying job and hoarded all of her money. She wouldn't even put her money in banks because that bailout was Socialism as its worst. She hid it all in her mattress. Eventually, someone broke into her house and took everything she had worked so hard for.

The crook was caught and, during the course of the trial, his story came out. His parents lost everything they owned in a natural disaster. To make matters worse, his mother died from a horrible illness because his parents couldn't afford to pay all the medical bills after their insurance got dropped. His widowed father couldn't afford to send him to college, but the young man got by working hard in a construction job. He got married, bought a house and had kids.

Suddenly the economy bottomed out and he lost his job. Everywhere he looked, no one was hiring. Especially not some guy without a degree. Before he knew it, there was a foreclosure sign on his house and his kids were starving. He was too proud to accept some Socialist handout like welfare, but he couldn't stand to watch his kids suffering. Finally, out of desperation, he broke into this young lady's house. He got sent to jail for his crime, but the lady who had worked so hard for everything was left with nothing.

She moved back in with her parents and commiserated with her father. "Dad, it's so unfair! How can someone work so hard for everything and just have it all taken away in an instant?"


Her father shook his head sadly and said, "Daughter, look for the government. You lost your money to him, he handed his time to the government."
P.S Education is free and if childcare is that bad in your nation....
As for the natural disaster- the government should have better protection, but other than that it's sort of funny.


Quotes fixed.

Now. Where I live education, at least the good kind, is not free. Scholarships are not available to everyone, even those who work hard to get good grades. Childcare is not free. Not ever. Not unless you are on welfare (Social program).

According to your line of thought, why should anyone who didn't work hard for it get free help -even in the case of a natural disaster? Helping those in need? Why, I never! That's a Socialist concept!

Preventing natural disasters by building dykes and all may be socialism but anyone in their right mind would do it unless they want people to die. Childcare(even milk and all) isn't free?


No. Free milk and free childcare are concepts of Socialism.

I consider that equality of opportunity.I wouldn't mind socialist programs if everyone pays the same amount and unnecessary regulation doesn't appear.


Everyone pays the same amount?

So - people who are so poor they NEED help... are paying the same as millionaires?

Since everyone is getting the same thing, the price should be split evenly. If that's not possible, scrap socialism.
"The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. " -Saint Augustine
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."-Albert Einstein
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:12 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:Since everyone is getting the same thing, the price should be split evenly. If that's not possible, scrap socialism.

Do millionaires need financial support from the government?

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Postby Lietuwininkai » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:13 am

Natapoc wrote:If only capitalism actually worked that way I'd be all for it.

Unfortunately the analogy oversimplifies capitalism to the point where it's problems are removed by comparing them to grades.

If capitalism resulted in a person getting what they worked for it would be called socialism.



Really? You think Socialism/Communism works any better than capitalism? So where's your soviet union? Where's your Yugoslavia? The peoples of Europe made it CLEAR in 1989-1991 that we do not want Communism. WE DO NOT WANT IT.

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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:14 am

Gauntleted Fist wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:Since everyone is getting the same thing, the price should be split evenly. If that's not possible, scrap socialism.

Do millionaires need financial support from the government?

Equality, my sir. Unless you're talking about subsidies, which should be replaced with loans that don't charge interest and expire upon the death of the debtor.
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Postby Natapoc » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:17 am

Lietuwininkai wrote:
Natapoc wrote:If only capitalism actually worked that way I'd be all for it.

Unfortunately the analogy oversimplifies capitalism to the point where it's problems are removed by comparing them to grades.

If capitalism resulted in a person getting what they worked for it would be called socialism.



Really? You think Socialism/Communism works any better than capitalism? So where's your soviet union? Where's your Yugoslavia? The peoples of Europe made it CLEAR in 1989-1991 that we do not want Communism. WE DO NOT WANT IT.


Ok. That does not change the flaws in the example given in the OP. The countries you mention were also not anything close to communism or socialism. USSR claimed to be socialist on the way to communist but most simply categorize them as state capitalism.

If you really want to call USSR socialist though I don't care. If they are socialists then they are authoritarian socialists.
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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:18 am

Natapoc wrote:
Lietuwininkai wrote:
Natapoc wrote:If only capitalism actually worked that way I'd be all for it.

Unfortunately the analogy oversimplifies capitalism to the point where it's problems are removed by comparing them to grades.

If capitalism resulted in a person getting what they worked for it would be called socialism.



Really? You think Socialism/Communism works any better than capitalism? So where's your soviet union? Where's your Yugoslavia? The peoples of Europe made it CLEAR in 1989-1991 that we do not want Communism. WE DO NOT WANT IT.


Ok. That does not change the flaws in the example given in the OP. The countries you mention were also not anything close to communism or socialism. USSR claimed to be socialist on the way to communist but most simply categorize them as state capitalism.

If you really want to call USSR socialist though I don't care. If they are socialists then they are authoritarian socialists.

They're fake socialists like the people in Animal Farm(not that RL socialism is any better).
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Postby Grandais » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:25 am

Lietuwininkai wrote:
Natapoc wrote:If only capitalism actually worked that way I'd be all for it.

Unfortunately the analogy oversimplifies capitalism to the point where it's problems are removed by comparing them to grades.

If capitalism resulted in a person getting what they worked for it would be called socialism.



Really? You think Socialism/Communism works any better than capitalism? So where's your soviet union? Where's your Yugoslavia? The peoples of Europe made it CLEAR in 1989-1991 that we do not want Communism. WE DO NOT WANT IT.

The USSR and others were state capitalist, not socialist or communist.
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Sun Mar 21, 2010 5:32 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Gauntleted Fist wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:Since everyone is getting the same thing, the price should be split evenly. If that's not possible, scrap socialism.

Do millionaires need financial support from the government?

Equality, my sir. Unless you're talking about subsidies, which should be replaced with loans that don't charge interest and expire upon the death of the debtor.

Have you read Harrison Bergeon? If not, I suggest you do, because they type of equality you're advocating as the position of socialist programs is both disastrous and incorrect.

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