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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:37 am

Grandais wrote:I think we have established that almost nobody in this topic knows what socialism or communism is.

I came in here to critique the OP but it looks like we'e moved on from there.

Including the socialists and communists themselves? >:(
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Postby New Kereptica » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:37 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_each_according_to_his_contribution

Funny Marx could even think of using this sort of thing. Your contribution's value is determined by you alone before the contract, and the boss alone after that.


No; the value is your contribution is determined by the value of your contribution.
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Postby Collective Systems » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:38 am

Well, I'm through here. I must look crazy for talking to a wall.
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Postby New Kereptica » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:39 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grandais wrote:I think we have established that almost nobody in this topic knows what socialism or communism is.

I came in here to critique the OP but it looks like we'e moved on from there.

Including the socialists and communists themselves? >:(


Yes.
Blouman Empire wrote:Natural is not nature.

KiloMikeAlpha wrote:Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

Teccor wrote:You're actually arguing with Kereptica? It's like arguing with a far-Left, militantly atheist brick wall.

Bluth Corporation wrote:No. A free market literally has zero bubbles.

JJ Place wrote:I have a few more pressing matters to attend to right now; I'll be back later this evening to continue my one-man against the world struggle.

Mercator Terra wrote: Mental illness is a myth.

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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:41 am

New Kereptica wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_each_according_to_his_contribution

Funny Marx could even think of using this sort of thing. Your contribution's value is determined by you alone before the contract, and the boss alone after that.


No; the value is your contribution is determined by the value of your contribution.

The value of your contribution in relation to the others' contribution.
P.S If any system of paying workers can be considered good, percentage is the best since it can't be changed during a spending cut to give the employer more salary.
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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:41 am

New Kereptica wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Grandais wrote:I think we have established that almost nobody in this topic knows what socialism or communism is.

I came in here to critique the OP but it looks like we'e moved on from there.

Including the socialists and communists themselves? >:(


Yes.

No, my dear brothers here have shown what communism stands for: From each.... To each....
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"Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. " -Saint Augustine
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"The first and simplest emotion which we discover in the human mind, is curiosity." -Edmund Burke

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Postby Collective Systems » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:43 am

Are you...? Never mind.

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Postby New Kereptica » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:45 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:The value of your contribution in relation to the others' contribution.
P.S If any system of paying workers can be considered good, percentage is the best since it can't be changed during a spending cut to give the employer more salary.


No. What you contribute to society, you receive back in the form of a portion of others contribution. You get exactly what you give.
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KiloMikeAlpha wrote:Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

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Bluth Corporation wrote:No. A free market literally has zero bubbles.

JJ Place wrote:I have a few more pressing matters to attend to right now; I'll be back later this evening to continue my one-man against the world struggle.

Mercator Terra wrote: Mental illness is a myth.

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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:45 am

Collective Systems wrote:Are you...? Never mind.

I'm not communist, guy

Once upon a time there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered some grains of wheat. She called her neighbors and said 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?'

"Not I, " said the cow.

"Not I," said the duck.

"Not I," said the pig.

"Not I," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen. And she did. The wheat grew tall and ripened into golden grain. "Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," said the duck.

"Out of my classification," said the pig.

"I'd lose my seniority," said the cow.

"I'd lose my unemployment compensation," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did.

At last the time came to bake the bread. "Who will help me bake bread?" asked the little red hen.

"That would be overtime for me," said the cow.

"I'd lose my welfare benefits," said the duck.

"I'm a dropout and never learned how," said the pig.

"If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen.

She baked five loaves and held them up for the neighbors to see.

They all wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, "No, I can eat the five loaves myself."

"Excess profits," cried the cow.

"Capitalist leech," screamed the duck.

"I demand equal rights," yelled the goose.

And the pig just grunted.

And they painted "unfair" picket signs and marched round and around the little red hen shouting obscenities.

When the government agent came, he said to the little red hen, "You must not be greedy."

"But I earned the bread," said the little red hen.

"Exactly," said the agent. "That's the wonderful free enterprise system. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations productive workers must divide their products with the idle."

And they lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, "I am grateful, I am grateful."

But her neighbors wondered why she never again baked any more bread....
"The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. " -Saint Augustine
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."-Albert Einstein
"The first and simplest emotion which we discover in the human mind, is curiosity." -Edmund Burke

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Postby Collective Systems » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:48 am

Copy and paste spam is still spam, buddy.

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Postby New Kereptica » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:48 am

Anecdotes sure are fun!
Blouman Empire wrote:Natural is not nature.

KiloMikeAlpha wrote:Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

Teccor wrote:You're actually arguing with Kereptica? It's like arguing with a far-Left, militantly atheist brick wall.

Bluth Corporation wrote:No. A free market literally has zero bubbles.

JJ Place wrote:I have a few more pressing matters to attend to right now; I'll be back later this evening to continue my one-man against the world struggle.

Mercator Terra wrote: Mental illness is a myth.

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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:49 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Collective Systems wrote:Are you...? Never mind.

I'm not communist, guy
Once upon a time there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered some grains of wheat. She called her neighbors and said 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?'

"Not I, " said the cow.

"Not I," said the duck.

"Not I," said the pig.

"Not I," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen. And she did. The wheat grew tall and ripened into golden grain. "Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," said the duck.

"Out of my classification," said the pig.

"I'd lose my seniority," said the cow.

"I'd lose my unemployment compensation," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did.

At last the time came to bake the bread. "Who will help me bake bread?" asked the little red hen.

"That would be overtime for me," said the cow.

"I'd lose my welfare benefits," said the duck.

"I'm a dropout and never learned how," said the pig.

"If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen.

She baked five loaves and held them up for the neighbors to see.

They all wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, "No, I can eat the five loaves myself."

"Excess profits," cried the cow.

"Capitalist leech," screamed the duck.

"I demand equal rights," yelled the goose.

And the pig just grunted.

And they painted "unfair" picket signs and marched round and around the little red hen shouting obscenities.

When the government agent came, he said to the little red hen, "You must not be greedy."

"But I earned the bread," said the little red hen.

"Exactly," said the agent. "That's the wonderful free enterprise system. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations productive workers must divide their products with the idle."

And they lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, "I am grateful, I am grateful."

But her neighbors wondered why she never again baked any more bread....


If I post this kind of thing, what do you think I am?
"The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. " -Saint Augustine
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."-Albert Einstein
"The first and simplest emotion which we discover in the human mind, is curiosity." -Edmund Burke

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Postby Collective Systems » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:52 am

Glenn Beck?

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Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:If I post this kind of thing, what do you think I am?


A spammer? A troll?
Blouman Empire wrote:Natural is not nature.

KiloMikeAlpha wrote:Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

Teccor wrote:You're actually arguing with Kereptica? It's like arguing with a far-Left, militantly atheist brick wall.

Bluth Corporation wrote:No. A free market literally has zero bubbles.

JJ Place wrote:I have a few more pressing matters to attend to right now; I'll be back later this evening to continue my one-man against the world struggle.

Mercator Terra wrote: Mental illness is a myth.

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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:52 am

Collective Systems wrote:Glenn Beck?

Are you Nancy Pelosi?
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"The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. " -Saint Augustine
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."-Albert Einstein
"The first and simplest emotion which we discover in the human mind, is curiosity." -Edmund Burke

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Postby Collective Systems » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:53 am

New Kereptica wrote:A spammer? A troll?

Yeah, that's what I said. Glenn Beck.

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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:53 am

New Kereptica wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:If I post this kind of thing, what do you think I am?


A spammer? A troll?

readit first.
"The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. " -Saint Augustine
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."-Albert Einstein
"The first and simplest emotion which we discover in the human mind, is curiosity." -Edmund Burke

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Postby New Kereptica » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:54 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
New Kereptica wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:If I post this kind of thing, what do you think I am?


A spammer? A troll?

readit first.


I did. And I posted after I had.
Blouman Empire wrote:Natural is not nature.

KiloMikeAlpha wrote:Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

Teccor wrote:You're actually arguing with Kereptica? It's like arguing with a far-Left, militantly atheist brick wall.

Bluth Corporation wrote:No. A free market literally has zero bubbles.

JJ Place wrote:I have a few more pressing matters to attend to right now; I'll be back later this evening to continue my one-man against the world struggle.

Mercator Terra wrote: Mental illness is a myth.

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Postby New Kereptica » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:54 am

Collective Systems wrote:
New Kereptica wrote:A spammer? A troll?

Yeah, that's what I said. Glenn Beck.

Touché.
Blouman Empire wrote:Natural is not nature.

KiloMikeAlpha wrote:Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

Teccor wrote:You're actually arguing with Kereptica? It's like arguing with a far-Left, militantly atheist brick wall.

Bluth Corporation wrote:No. A free market literally has zero bubbles.

JJ Place wrote:I have a few more pressing matters to attend to right now; I'll be back later this evening to continue my one-man against the world struggle.

Mercator Terra wrote: Mental illness is a myth.

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Postby Collective Systems » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:55 am

New Kereptica, I like you. You deserve a spot on my Quotes of Interest board in my signature.

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Postby New Kereptica » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:57 am

Collective Systems wrote:New Kereptica, I like you. You deserve a spot on my Quotes of Interest board in my signature.


And I, you. Fortunately however, you've not made and posts stupid enough to merit a place in my sig.
Blouman Empire wrote:Natural is not nature.

KiloMikeAlpha wrote:Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

Teccor wrote:You're actually arguing with Kereptica? It's like arguing with a far-Left, militantly atheist brick wall.

Bluth Corporation wrote:No. A free market literally has zero bubbles.

JJ Place wrote:I have a few more pressing matters to attend to right now; I'll be back later this evening to continue my one-man against the world struggle.

Mercator Terra wrote: Mental illness is a myth.

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Postby New Amerik » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:57 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Collective Systems wrote:Are you...? Never mind.

I'm not communist, guy
Once upon a time there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered some grains of wheat. She called her neighbors and said 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?'

"Not I, " said the cow.

"Not I," said the duck.

"Not I," said the pig.

"Not I," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen. And she did. The wheat grew tall and ripened into golden grain. "Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," said the duck.

"Out of my classification," said the pig.

"I'd lose my seniority," said the cow.

"I'd lose my unemployment compensation," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did.

At last the time came to bake the bread. "Who will help me bake bread?" asked the little red hen.

"That would be overtime for me," said the cow.

"I'd lose my welfare benefits," said the duck.

"I'm a dropout and never learned how," said the pig.

"If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen.

She baked five loaves and held them up for the neighbors to see.

They all wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, "No, I can eat the five loaves myself."

"Excess profits," cried the cow.

"Capitalist leech," screamed the duck.

"I demand equal rights," yelled the goose.

And the pig just grunted.

And they painted "unfair" picket signs and marched round and around the little red hen shouting obscenities.

When the government agent came, he said to the little red hen, "You must not be greedy."

"But I earned the bread," said the little red hen.

"Exactly," said the agent. "That's the wonderful free enterprise system. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations productive workers must divide their products with the idle."

And they lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, "I am grateful, I am grateful."

But her neighbors wondered why she never again baked any more bread....


If I post this kind of thing, what do you think I am?


Capitalism is very similar to Communism in one way...

From Each.. To Each... What you get is determined by how much you put in. By the rules of Communisn, the little red hen should recieve all of the loaves anyway. The other four did not do any work, thus they get nothing in return. The little red hen does all the work, and thus she should get her fair share. Because the only total product is all hers, her fair share is thus all hers as well.

I really don't see what is so difficult about that.
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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:58 am

New Kereptica wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:The value of your contribution in relation to the others' contribution.
P.S If any system of paying workers can be considered good, percentage is the best since it can't be changed during a spending cut to give the employer more salary.


No. What you contribute to society, you receive back in the form of a portion of others contribution. You get exactly what you give.

if others contribute less, they still get the same. So I should start lazing around or purposely cut my hand off:)
"The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. " -Saint Augustine
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."-Albert Einstein
"The first and simplest emotion which we discover in the human mind, is curiosity." -Edmund Burke

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Postby New Kereptica » Sun Mar 21, 2010 1:59 am

Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
New Kereptica wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:The value of your contribution in relation to the others' contribution.
P.S If any system of paying workers can be considered good, percentage is the best since it can't be changed during a spending cut to give the employer more salary.


No. What you contribute to society, you receive back in the form of a portion of others contribution. You get exactly what you give.

if others contribute less, they still get the same. So I should start lazing around or purposely cut my hand off:)


Not by To Each According To His Contribution...

Is that not the thing which we were discussing?
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Blouman Empire wrote:Natural is not nature.

KiloMikeAlpha wrote:Umm hmm.... mind if I siggy that as a reminder to those who think that it is cool to shove their bat-shit crazy atheist beliefs on those of us who actually have a clue?

Teccor wrote:You're actually arguing with Kereptica? It's like arguing with a far-Left, militantly atheist brick wall.

Bluth Corporation wrote:No. A free market literally has zero bubbles.

JJ Place wrote:I have a few more pressing matters to attend to right now; I'll be back later this evening to continue my one-man against the world struggle.

Mercator Terra wrote: Mental illness is a myth.

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Postby Eternal Yerushalayim » Sun Mar 21, 2010 2:00 am

New Amerik wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Eternal Yerushalayim wrote:
Collective Systems wrote:Are you...? Never mind.

I'm not communist, guy
Once upon a time there was a little red hen who scratched about the barnyard until she uncovered some grains of wheat. She called her neighbors and said 'If we plant this wheat, we shall have bread to eat. Who will help me plant it?'

"Not I, " said the cow.

"Not I," said the duck.

"Not I," said the pig.

"Not I," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen. And she did. The wheat grew tall and ripened into golden grain. "Who will help me reap my wheat?" asked the little red hen.

"Not I," said the duck.

"Out of my classification," said the pig.

"I'd lose my seniority," said the cow.

"I'd lose my unemployment compensation," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen, and she did.

At last the time came to bake the bread. "Who will help me bake bread?" asked the little red hen.

"That would be overtime for me," said the cow.

"I'd lose my welfare benefits," said the duck.

"I'm a dropout and never learned how," said the pig.

"If I'm to be the only helper, that's discrimination," said the goose.

"Then I will," said the little red hen.

She baked five loaves and held them up for the neighbors to see.

They all wanted some and, in fact, demanded a share. But the little red hen said, "No, I can eat the five loaves myself."

"Excess profits," cried the cow.

"Capitalist leech," screamed the duck.

"I demand equal rights," yelled the goose.

And the pig just grunted.

And they painted "unfair" picket signs and marched round and around the little red hen shouting obscenities.

When the government agent came, he said to the little red hen, "You must not be greedy."

"But I earned the bread," said the little red hen.

"Exactly," said the agent. "That's the wonderful free enterprise system. Anyone in the barnyard can earn as much as he wants. But under our modern government regulations productive workers must divide their products with the idle."

And they lived happily ever after, including the little red hen, who smiled and clucked, "I am grateful, I am grateful."

But her neighbors wondered why she never again baked any more bread....


If I post this kind of thing, what do you think I am?


Capitalism is very similar to Communism in one way...

From Each.. To Each... What you get is determined by how much you put in. By the rules of Communisn, the little red hen should recieve all of the loaves anyway. The other four did not do any work, thus they get nothing in return. The little red hen does all the work, and thus she should get her fair share. Because the only total product is all hers, her fair share is thus all hers as well.

I really don't see what is so difficult about that.

Nay, remember equality of outcome...
"The trouble with Socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money."-Margaret Thatcher
"Faith is to believe what you do not see; the reward of this faith is to see what you believe. " -Saint Augustine
"Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind."-Albert Einstein
"The first and simplest emotion which we discover in the human mind, is curiosity." -Edmund Burke

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