This analogy is so true!

[Natapoc]

If only capitalism actually worked that way I'd be all for it.

Unfortunately the analogy oversimplifies capitalism to the point where it's problems are removed by comparing them to grades.

If capitalism resulted in a person getting what they worked for it would be called socialism.

Uhu. No, it really wouldn't.

Pure socialism is worker ownership and management of the means of production. This means workers get the real products of their labor. So yes under socialism people get what they work for. Under capitalism they get what the employer can get away with paying them.

What would you as a socialist do?

I'm an anarcho-communist.

Not a socialist. But real socialism tends to reward workers with the full benefit of their labor. Instead of that money going to management it goes directly to them and they get to decide democratically how their workplace is run and how they are paid.

Wow, nice. I'll go into the hotel, book a room and demand that they refurbish the whole hotel.
P.S Look at the small print before signing and you'll be alright. Don't be afraid of joining unions, if a mean boss fires you, you'd be better off without him, anyway.

I'm really unsure how that relates to what I said? Did you intend to reply to someone else?

I think you still don't understand socialism... The workers get to decide these things democratically because the workers are the collective OWNERS of the place they work. There is no boss (under socialism) although in some types of socialism you would elect your "boss" who would assume boss like duties.

The bosses are shareholders, who don't earn money unless they sell their shares.Plus, workers are employees, not bosses. You can't pop up in Buckingham Palace and order HM about.Both of you are interdependent, and if he loses workers, he won't get any good.

Yes what you describe is capitalism. What I'm describing is socialism. They are totally different ways of running an economy. Nothing you say here is true under socialism but everything you say here is true under capitalism.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

The bosses are shareholders, who don't earn money unless they sell their shares.Plus, workers are employees, not bosses. You can't pop up in Buckingham Palace and order HM about.Both of you are interdependent, and if he loses workers, he won't get any good.

I'm sorry, but you know nothing of socialism, communism, etc. You might want to study up first before trying to prove a well-accepted ideology completely wrong.

I'm talking based on your interpretation.Didn't the bosses and you agree on the salary?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

If only capitalism actually worked that way I'd be all for it.

Unfortunately the analogy oversimplifies capitalism to the point where it's problems are removed by comparing them to grades.

If capitalism resulted in a person getting what they worked for it would be called socialism.

Uhu. No, it really wouldn't.

Pure socialism is worker ownership and management of the means of production. This means workers get the real products of their labor. So yes under socialism people get what they work for. Under capitalism they get what the employer can get away with paying them.

What would you as a socialist do?

I'm an anarcho-communist.

Not a socialist. But real socialism tends to reward workers with the full benefit of their labor. Instead of that money going to management it goes directly to them and they get to decide democratically how their workplace is run and how they are paid.

Wow, nice. I'll go into the hotel, book a room and demand that they refurbish the whole hotel.
P.S Look at the small print before signing and you'll be alright. Don't be afraid of joining unions, if a mean boss fires you, you'd be better off without him, anyway.

I'm really unsure how that relates to what I said? Did you intend to reply to someone else?

I think you still don't understand socialism... The workers get to decide these things democratically because the workers are the collective OWNERS of the place they work. There is no boss (under socialism) although in some types of socialism you would elect your "boss" who would assume boss like duties.

The bosses are shareholders, who don't earn money unless they sell their shares.Plus, workers are employees, not bosses. You can't pop up in Buckingham Palace and order HM about.Both of you are interdependent, and if he loses workers, he won't get any good.

Yes what you describe is capitalism. What I'm describing is socialism. They are totally different ways of running an economy. Nothing you say here is true under socialism but everything you say here is true under capitalism.

So your point is?

[Collective Systems]

You do realize I live in America and am forced to attire to the capitalist system, correct? Yes, I had to agree on such a thing, but if I lived in a true communist nation (which, oh dear god, I hope someday will happen) such things would be mindless. I suggest you read The Communist Manifesto or other socialist/communist publications.

[Blitzkrenia]

If only capitalism actually worked that way I'd be all for it.

Unfortunately the analogy oversimplifies capitalism to the point where it's problems are removed by comparing them to grades.

If capitalism resulted in a person getting what they worked for it would be called socialism.

Uhu. No, it really wouldn't.

Pure socialism is worker ownership and management of the means of production. This means workers get the real products of their labor. So yes under socialism people get what they work for. Under capitalism they get what the employer can get away with paying them.

What would you as a socialist do?

I'm an anarcho-communist.

Not a socialist. But real socialism tends to reward workers with the full benefit of their labor. Instead of that money going to management it goes directly to them and they get to decide democratically how their workplace is run and how they are paid.

Wow, nice. I'll go into the hotel, book a room and demand that they refurbish the whole hotel.
P.S Look at the small print before signing and you'll be alright. Don't be afraid of joining unions, if a mean boss fires you, you'd be better off without him, anyway.

I'm really unsure how that relates to what I said? Did you intend to reply to someone else?

I think you still don't understand socialism... The workers get to decide these things democratically because the workers are the collective OWNERS of the place they work. There is no boss (under socialism) although in some types of socialism you would elect your "boss" who would assume boss like duties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_Farm The best book ever written by a dem-socialist.

Am I insane or is this conversation incoherent?

If you were insane, you wouldn't be asking that question, would you?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

You do realize I live in America and am forced to attire to the capitalist system, correct? Yes, I had to agree on such a thing, but if I lived in a true communist nation (which, oh dear god, I hope someday will happen) such things would be mindless. I suggest you read The Communist Manifesto or other socialist/communist publications.

Now that's much much much worse than what Obama is advocating.So, regardless of work, everyone receives the same pay or ultimately get the same amount of money.

[Collective Systems]

Let me ask you something. Do you agree that capitalism results in class struggles, personal-economical isolation, and the fall of the proletarian?

[New Kereptica]

Now that's much much much worse than what Obama is advocating.

It's completely apart from what Obama is advocating!

[The Alma Mater]

You do realize I live in America and am forced to attire to the capitalist system, correct? Yes, I had to agree on such a thing, but if I lived in a true communist nation (which, oh dear god, I hope someday will happen) such things would be mindless. I suggest you read The Communist Manifesto or other socialist/communist publications.

Now that's much much much worse than what Obama is advocating.So, regardless of work, everyone receives the same pay or ultimately get the same amount of money.

Well, everyone is expected to work to the max of their ability out of pride (selfchallenge: I can do this !) as well as love and respect for their fellow men.
Not sure if that will happen until humanity grows up a bit more.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

Let me ask you something. Do you agree that capitalism results in class struggles, personal-economical isolation, and the fall of the proletarian?

1st: Yes, and they do, especially when commies come along.
2nd: What???
3rd: He's just a puppet invented by the commies. Everyone is the Proletarian, going by their definition.

[Tubbsalot]

It's completely apart from what Obama is advocating!

Yeah, Obama's not a socialist, he's a typical American capitalist. Sure thing. You tell me that when the socialist death panels are executing your loved ones.

[Collective Systems]

1st: Yes, and they do, especially when commies come along.
2nd: What???
3rd: He's just a puppet invented by the commies. Everyone is the Proletarian, going by their definition.

Are you mad?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

You do realize I live in America and am forced to attire to the capitalist system, correct? Yes, I had to agree on such a thing, but if I lived in a true communist nation (which, oh dear god, I hope someday will happen) such things would be mindless. I suggest you read The Communist Manifesto or other socialist/communist publications.

Now that's much much much worse than what Obama is advocating.So, regardless of work, everyone receives the same pay or ultimately get the same amount of money.

Well, everyone is expected to work to the max of their ability out of pride (selfchallenge: I can do this !) as well as love and respect for their fellow men.
Not sure if that will happen until humanity grows up a bit more.

Not practical in a communist system unless you really plan to force everyone to work.

[The Alma Mater]

It's completely apart from what Obama is advocating!

Yeah, Obama's not a socialist, he's a typical American capitalist. Sure thing. You tell me that when the socialist death panels are executing your loved ones.

You realise that was a Republican suggestion ?

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

1st: Yes, and they do, especially when commies come along.
2nd: What???
3rd: He's just a puppet invented by the commies. Everyone is the Proletarian, going by their definition.

Are you mad?

Edit: The Proletarian is the "elite" in communism. Either that or it's the Inner Party.

[The Alma Mater]

You do realize I live in America and am forced to attire to the capitalist system, correct? Yes, I had to agree on such a thing, but if I lived in a true communist nation (which, oh dear god, I hope someday will happen) such things would be mindless. I suggest you read The Communist Manifesto or other socialist/communist publications.

Now that's much much much worse than what Obama is advocating.So, regardless of work, everyone receives the same pay or ultimately get the same amount of money.

Well, everyone is expected to work to the max of their ability out of pride (selfchallenge: I can do this !) as well as love and respect for their fellow men.
Not sure if that will happen until humanity grows up a bit more.

Not practical in a communist system unless you really plan to force everyone to work.

Well, it works fine for the US military... whih definitely thinks like communists

[New Kereptica]

It's completely apart from what Obama is advocating!

Yeah, Obama's not a socialist, he's a typical American capitalist. Sure thing. You tell me that when the socialist death panels are executing your loved ones.

Not sure if serious >.>

[Collective Systems]

Not practical in a communist system unless you really plan to force everyone to work.

You bloody know nothing of communism. You're referring to such horrendous ideologies as Stalinism. Go read the bloody manifesto before opening your mouth.

[Natapoc]

1st: Yes, and they do, especially when commies come along.
2nd: What???
3rd: He's just a puppet invented by the commies. Everyone is the Proletarian, going by their definition.

Are you mad?

I'm starting to think that Eternal Yerushalayim is a chatbot. Speaking with him is like talking with one.

[New Kereptica]

The Proletarian is the "elite" in communism. Either that or it's the Inner Party.

Wrong on both counts. The Proletariat is all there is in communism, and there is no Party, be it inner or outer.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

Not practical in a communist system unless you really plan to force everyone to work.

You bloody know nothing of communism. You're referring to such horrendous ideologies as Stalinism. Go read the bloody manifesto before opening your mouth.

Well, my duty is not in RL elections but in refuting NSGers' claims.
P.S You know me. i'm Eternal Life with God.

[Collective Systems]

Edit: The Proletarian is the "elite" in communism. Either that or it's the Inner Party.

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The proletarian is the lowest, working class. If you know anything about communism, you would know there is no elite.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

The Proletarian is the "elite" in communism. Either that or it's the Inner Party.

Wrong on both counts. The Proletariat is all there is in communism, and there is no Party, be it inner or outer.

Excluding Capitalists, Employers, Those who don't join unions and loads of others.

[Eternal Yerushalayim]

Edit: The Proletarian is the "elite" in communism. Either that or it's the Inner Party.

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The proletarian is the lowest, working class. If you know anything about communism, you would know there is no elite.

Wow, so you finally admit that communism has a lower class

[Collective Systems]

The Proletarian is the "elite" in communism. Either that or it's the Inner Party.

Wrong on both counts. The Proletariat is all there is in communism, and there is no Party, be it inner or outer.

Excluding Capitalists, Employers, Those who don't join unions and loads of others.

What the fuck are you talking about?

I mean... I... wha-...?