UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Hydesland]

7 years later and in different international context, man has different opinion.

Labour EXPOSED.

Everyone sensible knew how terrible RT was 7 years ago.

But when are people going to admit that prior to his leadership run, Corbyn was more or less George Galloway lite on most issues? His moderation & shift to the centre immediately after gaining leadership is eyebrow raising, is it sincere or just media training/politically necessitated?

[Liriena]

RT is a load of shite, only watched it once instead of turning it off instantly and thats for the hadron collider they built in switzerland a load back.

I feel about RT the same way I feel about Telesur: I'm glad they exist, because their obvious biases lead them to reporting on stuff other outlets won't even touch upon... but I'm still at least skeptical of them when they start talking about the governments that support them.

[Vassenor]

John McDonnell urges Labour MPs to stop appearing on Russia Today

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How dare someone's opinions not be exactly the same as seven years ago.

[Dooom35796821595]

John McDonnell urges Labour MPs to stop appearing on Russia Today

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How dare someone's opinions not be exactly the same as seven years ago.

Are you so sure it's not? After all, politicians are viewed as compulsive liars for a reason...

[Hydesland]

How dare someone's opinions not be exactly the same as seven years ago.

Are you so sure it's not? After all, politicians are viewed as compulsive liars for a reason...

To be clear Corbyn is pushing back against this boycott even now.

[Dumb Ideologies]

7 years later and in different international context, man has different opinion.

Labour EXPOSED.

Everyone sensible knew how terrible RT was 7 years ago.

But when are people going to admit that prior to his leadership run, Corbyn was more or less George Galloway lite on most issues? His moderation & shift to the centre immediately after gaining leadership is eyebrow raising, is it sincere or just media training/politically necessitated?

"Galloway lite" doesn't really work as an insult because the bits missing in comparison to Galloway: the air of sexual perversity, the cynical opportunism (see the surrogate Islamist years), the stench of desperation in hopping between bandwagons in a desperate drive for relevance (see the above, Big Brother, and his column for the alt-right Westmonster) mean that he's a very different and much less palatable proposition than "accidental man of the hour" Corbyn.

Everyone sensible knew that a centre-centre-left triangulation manifesto without a single contraversial stance would have creamed off tons of votes from Labour and returned the Lib Dems to previous strength. Instead they decided to LARP as flag-tutting hyper Eurofederalists and hide a refugee inside every beret and pair of lederhosen.

Sensible doesn't widely apply in the world of politics.

[Souseiseki]

Everyone sensible knew how terrible RT was 7 years ago.

But when are people going to admit that prior to his leadership run, Corbyn was more or less George Galloway lite on most issues? His moderation & shift to the centre immediately after gaining leadership is eyebrow raising, is it sincere or just media training/politically necessitated?

Everyone sensible knew that a centre-centre-left triangulation manifesto without a single contraversial stance would have creamed off tons of votes from Labour and returned the Lib Dems to previous strength. Instead they decided to LARP as flag-tutting hyper Eurofederalists and hide a refugee inside every beret and pair of lederhosen.

Sensible doesn't widely apply in the world of politics.

it might get them a lot of votes, but it would also require compromising their core beliefs which perhaps they're not willing to do. they're not labour.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Everyone sensible knew that a centre-centre-left triangulation manifesto without a single contraversial stance would have creamed off tons of votes from Labour and returned the Lib Dems to previous strength. Instead they decided to LARP as flag-tutting hyper Eurofederalists and hide a refugee inside every beret and pair of lederhosen.

Sensible doesn't widely apply in the world of politics.

it might get them a lot of votes, but it would also require compromising their core beliefs which perhaps they're not willing to do. they're not labour.

Two words: the coalition. Maybe they're just not very intelligent and make very bad decisions.

[Ifreann]

7 years later and in different international context, man has different opinion.

Labour EXPOSED.

Comrade Corbyn shows his true colours.

[Irona]

Everyone sensible knew that a centre-centre-left triangulation manifesto without a single contraversial stance would have creamed off tons of votes from Labour and returned the Lib Dems to previous strength. Instead they decided to LARP as flag-tutting hyper Eurofederalists and hide a refugee inside every beret and pair of lederhosen.

Sensible doesn't widely apply in the world of politics.

it might get them a lot of votes, but it would also require compromising their core beliefs which perhaps they're not willing to do. they're not labour.

Liberal Democrat is almost synonym for bad compromise.

[Ostroeuropa]

it might get them a lot of votes, but it would also require compromising their core beliefs which perhaps they're not willing to do. they're not labour.

Two words: the coalition. Maybe they're just not very intelligent and make very bad decisions.

This, but it's also possible that they figured triangulating in such a way would mean they peel off the votes from Labour instead of those votes going to the Tories, which would have delivered a Corbyn victory.
Doing what they did meant the two Major parties were tied, which was their best shot at a second coallition and thus fulfilling their actual victory condition rather than getting more votes.
They merely miscalculated how badly they'd lose out and how they wouldn't be a factor for maintaining a majority government.

It's possible Lib Dem strategy revolves around maintaining a tie between the two majors and isn't necessarily as concerned with their own success, though this may change now they were almost wiped out between that rock and hard place result.

20 Lib dems in a 330-325 result is more useful to them than 40 lib dems in a 350-290.

Due to how first past the post works, it's possible they concluded taking those votes from the Tories would deliver too many Labour victories, and thus fail their actual primary objective, ensuring a hung parliament where they can act as kingmaker to try and get proportional rep or a different voting system.

[Salandriagado]

If only our diplomacy had a wider option range than "say/do nothing" or "send nukes". Why didn't we pay more attention to the civics tree? I blame Brexit.

You could always have Boris step in.

I think subjecting them to Boris is on the same level as a nuclear attack.

[Salandriagado]

Next week should be great craic.

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Don't Brexit the Six Nations yet, we still need to beat you.

But it's a Euro thing that doesn't treat us like we're special. So of course we're going to leave it.

Apart from giving us 3 and a bit teams, of course.

[Vassenor]

But it's a Euro thing that doesn't treat us like we're special. So of course we're going to leave it.

Apart from giving us 3 and a bit teams, of course.

That's because the IOC is the only international body forcing us to do sports as one nation rather than four.

[Ifreann]

Apart from giving us 3 and a bit teams, of course.

That's because the IOC is the only international body forcing us to do sports as one nation rather than four.

You only have three teams in the Six Nations. We get the Norn Ironish. Thus the two anthems.

[MERIZoC]

7 years later and in different international context, man has different opinion.

Labour EXPOSED.

Everyone sensible knew how terrible RT was 7 years ago.

But when are people going to admit that prior to his leadership run, Corbyn was more or less George Galloway lite on most issues? His moderation & shift to the centre immediately after gaining leadership is eyebrow raising, is it sincere or just media training/politically necessitated?

George Galloway rules. I hope he runs for Labour next election.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Apart from giving us 3 and a bit teams, of course.

That's because the IOC is the only international body forcing us to do sports as one nation rather than four.

We only have two teams for cricket.

[Ostroeuropa]

I wonder if English will remain an official EU language.
If they remove it, they remove one of the biggest lynchpins and means europeans have to communicate with eachother. it is their common second language.

Additionally, it's economically unwise and pointless to shift to say, french or german, as the common second language, given English and its prevalence around the globe.

[Fartsniffage]

That's because the IOC is the only international body forcing us to do sports as one nation rather than four.

We only have two teams for cricket.

We let the Welsh try playing alone once. They used leeks for stumps. It was just sad.

[Souseiseki]

I wonder if English will remain an official EU language.
If they remove it, they remove one of the biggest lynchpins and means europeans have to communicate with eachother. it is their common second language.

Additionally, it's economically unwise and pointless to shift to say, french or german, as the common second language, given English and its prevalence around the globe.

the chances of the EU choosing irish exclusively over english as an official language re: ireland are very low so it probably will.

that said, the french might try to be all french and insist we return to the days of french as the working language of the EU. this would annoy me.

[Ostroeuropa]

I wonder if English will remain an official EU language.
If they remove it, they remove one of the biggest lynchpins and means europeans have to communicate with eachother. it is their common second language.

Additionally, it's economically unwise and pointless to shift to say, french or german, as the common second language, given English and its prevalence around the globe.

the chances of the EU choosing irish exclusively over english as an official language re: ireland are very low so it probably will.

that said, the french might try to be all french and insist we return to the days of french as the working language of the EU. this would annoy me.

I forgot about the Irish.
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>British nationalism

[Ostroeuropa]

'Mr Speaker, on Wednesday we will consider in detail the response from the Russian state. Should there be no credible response, we will conclude that this action amounts to an unlawful use of force by the Russian state against the United Kingdom, and I will come back to this house and set out the full range of measures we will take in response.'

They have used a WMD on a NATO ally, technically if the government wanted to they'd have every right to invoke article 5 of NATO and drag the alliance into war against Russia.

They won't, but I wonder if including that on the list of measures we can take in response would sufficiently spook the russians into deescalating for once.

This is not, functionally, much different to one of those almost-incidents where Russians and American planes play chicken with world war, it's just that this time a plane got fucked and went down as a result of enemy action.

One casualty, resulting from reckless use of force by a foreign state.

"We could go to the UN and demand recompense, we could arrange for sanctions, or we could invoke Article 5 of NATO and signal the combined armed forces of the alliance to begin the occupation of Russia. Let's discuss which option we go with." <parliament debates>

[Fartsniffage]

'Mr Speaker, on Wednesday we will consider in detail the response from the Russian state. Should there be no credible response, we will conclude that this action amounts to an unlawful use of force by the Russian state against the United Kingdom, and I will come back to this house and set out the full range of measures we will take in response.'

They have used a WMD on a NATO ally, technically if the government wanted to they'd have every right to invoke article 5 of NATO and drag the alliance into war against Russia.

They won't, but I wonder if including that on the list of measures we can take in response would sufficiently spook the russians into deescalating for once.

This is not, functionally, much different to one of those almost-incidents where Russians and American planes play chicken with world war, it's just that this time a plane got fucked and went down as a result of enemy action.

One casualty, resulting from reckless use of force by a foreign state.

"We could go to the UN and demand recompense, we could arrange for sanctions, or we could invoke Article 5 of NATO and signal the combined armed forces of the alliance to begin the occupation of Russia. Let's discuss which option we go with." <parliament debates>

https://youtu.be/yrbv40ENU_o?t=68

[Souseiseki]

like i am legitimately still struggling to understand what happened here

did they just nerve gas a shop in the middle of the street

is that actually what they did

i cannot comprehend this level of video game villainy

[Fartsniffage]

like i am legitimately still struggling to understand what happened here

did they just nerve gas a shop in the middle of the street

Seems like it was done in the guys house. Then he and his daughter went out for a meal in a restaurant and a drink in the pub before collapsing on a bench.