UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Hydesland]

So Corbyn has been going hard against immigration recently - and it's curiously not got the same reaction among the left that a single phrase on a mug managed to achieve a few years ago.

Hard how?

It was fairly inoffensive to me, he just made a speech about how we shouldn't "import" cheap labour to undercut home worker wages - but things like this used to provoke a harsh reaction.

Also, what reaction/mug?

Remember this?

[Olivaero]

Hard how?

It was fairly inoffensive to me, he just made a speech about how we shouldn't "import" cheap labour to undercut home worker wages - but things like this used to provoke a harsh reaction.

Also, what reaction/mug?

Remember this?

Thats a comment on how Immigration should be seen not pro/anti it in general. "Controls on immigration" is so broard it could mean cutting the number of people coming in just arbitrarily. I don't think many on the left want to import cheap labour from overseas, they want people to come here and seek a better life if they want to.

[Hydesland]

Thats a comment on how Immigration should be seen not pro/anti it in general. "Controls on immigration" is so broard it could mean cutting the number of people coming in just arbitrarily. I don't think many on the left want to import cheap labour from overseas, they want people to come here and seek a better life if they want to.

You don't think the workers that get "imported" aren't coming here seeking a better life?

[Dumb Ideologies]

So Corbyn has been going hard against immigration recently - and it's curiously not got the same reaction among the left that a single phrase on a mug managed to achieve a few years ago.

If only it weren't just pretty words. But I'll take the words as that's all anyone offers.

[Vassenor]

Thats a comment on how Immigration should be seen not pro/anti it in general. "Controls on immigration" is so broard it could mean cutting the number of people coming in just arbitrarily. I don't think many on the left want to import cheap labour from overseas, they want people to come here and seek a better life if they want to.

You don't think the workers that get "imported" aren't coming here seeking a better life?

Doesn't mean we have to let them get exploited.

[Souseiseki]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX4lTtMXcAMXT1h.jpg:large

porn age verification law isn't even passed and the government are already considering extending it to social media sites, to protect the children of course.

what a shocker eh

[Philjia]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX4lTtMXcAMXT1h.jpg:large

porn age verification law isn't even passed and the government are already considering extending it to social media sites, to protect the children of course.

what a shocker eh

It was passed, wasn't it? They just don't know how they'll enforce it yet.

[Liriena]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DX4lTtMXcAMXT1h.jpg:large

porn age verification law isn't even passed and the government are already considering extending it to social media sites, to protect the children of course.

what a shocker eh

Tories have the weirdest attitude towards the Internet. They sound like some of the elderly people I hang out with, who are scared of social media to the point of paranoia.

[Ifreann]

How about that Six Nations, guys?

[The Huskar Social Union]

How about that Six Nations, guys?

Yay Ireland.

[Ostroeuropa]

Hard how?

It was fairly inoffensive to me, he just made a speech about how we shouldn't "import" cheap labour to undercut home worker wages - but things like this used to provoke a harsh reaction.

Also, what reaction/mug?

Remember this?

Ah.

Well, the left is hemorrhaging credibility over progressivism and losing support all over the place over it.
It is no longer possible to advance neoliberal, feminist, pro-immigrant politics and succeed in many countries.
We may be reaching the point where even the feminist and pro-immigrant parts in tandem make someone too unpalatable to the bulk of the population. Corbyn is taking a centrist position on the current spectrum of pro-immigrant v pro-assimilation, arguing for mollifying the economic consequences of immigrants. He doesn't appear to have taken a stand on cultural or social issues, but this move to the center may assuage enough voters to consider him acceptable.

People have had enough. Assimilation is necessary, cracking down on backward practices we have tolerated too long, closing the faith schools, etc.
People have likewise had enough of feminism.

I'd wager there isn't a fuss over it because many on the left are coming to terms with the fact they need to adapt, or face the political wilderness.

In the post-brexit environment, the left establishment has realized they can no longer count on itself being supported by its base, nor demonize their opponents merely for rejecting their progressivism and expect it to work.

Labour is fortunate the tories are a shambles, but even in that context, despite overwhelming support for labours economic policies when polled on them, the polls are tied.
Immigration, feminism, and progressive politics are the likely culprits. (The BNP didn't garner much support despite left wing economics after all. It's not the economy, stupid.) Corbyn was always primarily concerned with economics, it is not suprising he would readily cede ground on some of those issues to shore up support.

In the absence of a competent and anti-progressive conservative party, the voters Labour loses on these topics will split between Tories, dropping out of the election, or the far-right, which itself causes all kinds of new social problems for the country to solve due to how both the far-right and progressives do their damnedest to put far-righters under the pressures of a cult and remove ties from non-far-right persons by which rehabiltiation might occur.

Immigration is the one most palatable to reform on to his progressive base. He need only move the needle slightly by signaling to former labour voters that the party is willing to negotiate on that issue. The problem is, I suspect it's too late to move to the center. The progressives in the media spent far too long demonizing, villifying, and refusing to listen to concerns, and have done their best to try and marginalize what appears to be the view of the majority of the country. I suspect the mentality of many will be to demand assimilation policies and not accept concessions that may have succeeded years ago before the public understood exactly what type of person a progressive is. They may not be people with whom the public wants to compromise. (Hence, Brexit, rather than some other set of demands.).
However, like I said, he need only move the needle slightly. Even picking up 1/5 of those who have abandoned Labour over these issues will be sufficient to push them over the edge and win an election. Imo, that only kicks the can down the road, though.

[Fartsniffage]

How about that Six Nations, guys?

What 6 nations?

[The Huskar Social Union]

How about that Six Nations, guys?

What 6 nations?

Rubgy six nations:

Ireland
Scotland
Wales
England
France
Italy.

Its still got some matches to go but Ireland has been declared the winner due to points, no other team can catch up to them at this stage, England was the closest but they were just beat by France.

[Fartsniffage]

What 6 nations?

Rubgy six nations:

Ireland
Scotland
Wales
England
France
Italy.

Its still got some matches to go but Ireland has been declared the winner due to points, no other team can catch up to them at this stage, England was the closest but they were just beat by France.

Shit. I missed it all. I stop watch tv and look what happens.

[Ifreann]

How about that Six Nations, guys?

Yay Ireland.

Next week should be great craic.

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How about that Six Nations, guys?

What 6 nations?

Don't Brexit the Six Nations yet, we still need to beat you.

[Vassenor]

Yay Ireland.

Next week should be great craic.

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What 6 nations?

Don't Brexit the Six Nations yet, we still need to beat you.

But it's a Euro thing that doesn't treat us like we're special. So of course we're going to leave it.

[Fartsniffage]

Don't Brexit the Six Nations yet, we still need to beat you.

Bah, I bet I know more Ireland internationals than you do.

[Ostroeuropa]

Next week should be great craic.

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Don't Brexit the Six Nations yet, we still need to beat you.

But it's a Euro thing that doesn't treat us like we're special. So of course we're going to leave it.

It's more British than continental.
3 or 4 out of 6, depending on your attitude to Ireland.

[Tule]

The Russia situation is a perfect example. Europe is shifting to conciliation so we’d have no avenue to exert pressure there. We’re too weak domestically and internationally to do anything about it.

Russian intelligence assassinated a person under British protection inside Britain. There must be consequences. Unfortunately, there won’t be.

I've been thinking about that. I totally agree that a response is warranted.

I'm quite fond of Israel's policy in these matters. They'll retaliate massively but short of going to war.

Maybe the UK should assassinate a few Oligarchs, or torpedo a Russian vessel. Something with plausible deniability.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Rubgy six nations:

Ireland
Scotland
Wales
England
France
Italy.

Its still got some matches to go but Ireland has been declared the winner due to points, no other team can catch up to them at this stage, England was the closest but they were just beat by France.

Shit. I missed it all. I stop watch tv and look what happens.

Honestly had no clue it was on myself till today

Ireland winning of course made me happy, if they beat England next week they get the grand slam i believe.

[Ifreann]

Next week should be great craic.

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Don't Brexit the Six Nations yet, we still need to beat you.

But it's a Euro thing that doesn't treat us like we're special. So of course we're going to leave it.

And leave Scotland holding the Calcutta Cup?

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Don't Brexit the Six Nations yet, we still need to beat you.

Bah, I bet I know more Ireland internationals than you do.

Never underestimate the power of a bandwagon.

[Ifreann]

Shit. I missed it all. I stop watch tv and look what happens.

Honestly had no clue it was on myself till today

Ireland winning of course made me happy, if they beat England next week they get the grand slam i believe.

Grand Slam for winning all five matches in the Six Nations, Triple Crown for beating all the other Home Nations, and Millennium Trophy for beating England. If we win.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Next week should be great craic.

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Don't Brexit the Six Nations yet, we still need to beat you.

But it's a Euro thing that doesn't treat us like we're special. So of course we're going to leave it.

You could always start a thread on an article from the last time England won it, make it sound like it's current, and then refuse to edit or update it.

[Fartsniffage]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leeds-43356769

[Farnhamia]

But it's a Euro thing that doesn't treat us like we're special. So of course we're going to leave it.

You could always start a thread on an article from the last time England won it, make it sound like it's current, and then refuse to edit or update it.

*** Warned for harassment. ***

Put Vassenor on your Foes list. You're definitely straying into territory where good things do not happen.