UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Ifreann]

>shifting to conciliation

wait what

Or are we going to get to the point where anything short of sending the instant sunshine fairy to Moscow is seen as too pacifistic?

If only our diplomacy had a wider option range than "say/do nothing" or "send nukes". Why didn't we pay more attention to the civics tree? I blame Brexit.

You could always have Boris step in.

[The Huskar Social Union]

If only our diplomacy had a wider option range than "say/do nothing" or "send nukes". Why didn't we pay more attention to the civics tree? I blame Brexit.

You could always have Boris step in.

Dont.

Just dont.

[Vassenor]

>shifting to conciliation

wait what

Or are we going to get to the point where anything short of sending the instant sunshine fairy to Moscow is seen as too pacifistic?

If only our diplomacy had a wider option range than "say/do nothing" or "send nukes". Why didn't we pay more attention to the civics tree? I blame Brexit.

I'm not saying there aren't more options. I'm just saying the baying for blood is getting ridiculous.

[Ostroeuropa]

Labour have no sense of memes.

This Henry the VIII clause shit should have seen them continually ripping the piss by beginning every statement in the commons with "Ave, true to caesar." in perpetuity.

[Juristonia]

If only our diplomacy had a wider option range than "say/do nothing" or "send nukes". Why didn't we pay more attention to the civics tree? I blame Brexit.

You could always have Boris step in.

You're probably better off with nukes, tbh.

[Questers]

If our officials are sure its Russia then the appropriate response is SIS using its assets in Russia to retaliate in a similar fashion.

[Questers]

If only our diplomacy had a wider option range than "say/do nothing" or "send nukes". Why didn't we pay more attention to the civics tree? I blame Brexit.

I'm not saying there aren't more options. I'm just saying the baying for blood is getting ridiculous.

If we allow foreign intelligence agencies to wantonly attempt murder on individuals who cooperate with us why do you think anyone will attempt to cooperate with us?

SVR attempted to murder someone under our protection in our country. Why do you think this isn’t serious?

[Irona]

I'm not saying there aren't more options. I'm just saying the baying for blood is getting ridiculous.

If we allow foreign intelligence agencies to wantonly attempt murder on individuals who cooperate with us why do you think anyone will attempt to cooperate with us?

SVR attempted to murder someone under our protection in our country. Why do you think this isn’t serious?

The response should be diplomatic protest, and using the attack to smear Russia. Not getting into tit-for-tat revenge.

EDIT: Obviously this suggests a failure on MI5's part, and counter-espionage efforts should be redoubled.

[Ifreann]

If our officials are sure its Russia then the appropriate response is SIS using its assets in Russia to retaliate in a similar fashion.

Are there any Britons who spied for Russia that you could target?

[Mujahidah]

The Russia situation is a perfect example. Europe is shifting to conciliation so we’d have no avenue to exert pressure there. We’re too weak domestically and internationally to do anything about it.

Russian intelligence assassinated a person under British protection inside Britain. There must be consequences. Unfortunately, there won’t be.

When did you become so militant?

Probably when a foreign power smuggled a chemical WMD into his country and gassed someone with it, harming both a police officer and the man's daughter who weren't even involved. Thats a perfectly sensible reason to be mad.

[Neu Leonstein]

This might be useful re what all this customs/border stuff is about: https://twitter.com/hayward_katy/status ... 5233989632

Yeah it's a nice summary, but it'd be even nicer to see some estimate effects, possibly including both a lowball and a highball.

I know it's not really what you're looking for, but anyway: the House of Commons at long last released the analysis they received from a cross-Whitehall team of analysts (i.e. including HM Treasury, the foreign office and so on). You can have a look here: http://www.parliament.uk/documents/comm ... iefing.pdf

[Questers]

Yeah it's a nice summary, but it'd be even nicer to see some estimate effects, possibly including both a lowball and a highball.

I know it's not really what you're looking for, but anyway: the House of Commons at long last released the analysis they received from a cross-Whitehall team of analysts (i.e. including HM Treasury, the foreign office and so on). You can have a look here: http://www.parliament.uk/documents/comm ... iefing.pdf

I'm reading it. It's pretty cool.

This in particular is a nice takeaway:

[Fartsniffage]

If our officials are sure its Russia then the appropriate response is SIS using its assets in Russia to retaliate in a similar fashion.

Are there any Britons who spied for Russia that you could target?

We'll just send some people to have gay sex on Philby's grave. That'll teach 'em.

[Souseiseki]

https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffiel ... -1-9048962

brave sheffield grandmother decides that she doesn't like thing so no one else should be able to do thing. also something about feminism to make it sound nicer.

[Ifreann]

Are there any Britons who spied for Russia that you could target?

We'll just send some people to have gay sex on Philby's grave. That'll teach 'em.

Take that, Vlad.

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https://www.thestar.co.uk/news/sheffield-grandmother-taking-council-to-court-over-unlimited-strip-club-policy-1-9048962

brave sheffield grandmother decides that she doesn't like thing so no one else should be able to do thing. also something about feminism to make it sound nicer.

Put your tits away for the nan.

[Hydesland]

Good thinking George...

[Vassenor]

Good thinking George...

So he's gone from an Iranian propaganda dummy to a Russian one?

[Souseiseki]

incidentally after seeing several cases of both the accused and victims having to spend literal years waiting for trials and trials being dragged out for over a period of years i've come to understand why the americans got mad over speedy trials.

i am constantly marveled by how directly the bill of rights translates to a "sick of britain's bullshit" list and how often said bullshit turns out to have continued to this very day.

e: unfortunately as a country that was also populated by people that left england because it was too liberal for them it also couldn't help but inherit many of our worst traits as well

[Vassenor]

So even the pro-Brexit MPs are having a hard time explaining why it's all going to be good for us.

This does not bode well for our future.

[Trumptonium]

So even the pro-Brexit MPs are having a hard time explaining why it's all going to be good for us.

This does not bode well for our future.

He's not having a hard time, his response was very clear. He gave an example of Australia, whose trade with the US has increased far more than forecasted.

[Neu Leonstein]

He's not having a hard time, his response was very clear. He gave an example of Australia, whose trade with the US has increased far more than forecasted.

Even that is uncertain though.

Here's someone who thinks that it diverted trade that would have happened with third countries, rather than producing any extra trade, as it were: http://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/ ... h-america/

And what increase there was looks like it was very much focused on US imports to Australia, and much less the other way around. The direction of this was in line with forecasts at the time: http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2003/wp03206.pdf

Now, I don't personally have a problem with increasing one's bilateral trade deficit with someone, but it's clearly not what the Brexiteers are selling.

Going beyond that, obviously the problem with FTAs, particularly with the US, is also that it can be hard to stop them from creeping into national policy issues - healthcare in particular, since the US tends to push for provisions on pharma, etc, that don't work so well for socialised healthcare systems: https://theconversation.com/a-decade-on ... tury-33016

[Irona]

With Trump in charge we’re not going to get a better deal with the US.

[Vassenor]

With Trump in charge we’re not going to get a better deal with the US.

But he said we would and he would never ever ever lie about anything. He's always completely 100% honest (except when he says things the conservatives don't like).

[Hydesland]

So Corbyn has been going hard against immigration recently - and it's curiously not got the same reaction among the left that a single phrase on a mug managed to achieve a few years ago.

[Ostroeuropa]

So Corbyn has been going hard against immigration recently - and it's curiously not got the same reaction among the left that a single phrase on a mug managed to achieve a few years ago.

Hard how? Also, what reaction/mug?