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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:41 pm

pea brain, living in brownouts and trash piles: hurr durr unions
galaxy brain, with reliable electricity and timely garbage collections: neoliberalism is good and Friedman correct in essentially all things
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Feb 26, 2018 5:53 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:pea brain, living in brownouts and trash piles: hurr durr unions
galaxy brain, with reliable electricity and timely garbage collections: neoliberalism is good and Friedman correct in essentially all things


pfft, I doubt these young neoliberals even read Chad Friedman. Too busy with the Virgin Krugman, I say!
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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Mon Feb 26, 2018 6:46 pm

krugman isn't really a socialist, and he would be a step up from what labourite uni students actually read
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Postby The Liberated Territories » Mon Feb 26, 2018 7:42 pm

Taihei Tengoku wrote:krugman isn't really a socialist, and he would be a step up from what labourite uni students actually read


Maybe if they read his work before he decided to become a pundit.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:41 am

It's so pretty outside. :)

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:09 am

Fartsniffage wrote:It's so pretty outside. :)


Pretty freezing.

Foreign weather systems should be subject to a points based migration test.
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Postby The Parkus Empire » Tue Feb 27, 2018 1:17 am

Taihei Tengoku wrote:pea brain, living in brownouts and trash piles: hurr durr unions
galaxy brain, with reliable electricity and timely garbage collections: neoliberalism is good and Friedman correct in essentially all things

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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue Feb 27, 2018 5:17 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:It's so pretty outside. :)


Pretty freezing.

Foreign weather systems should be subject to a points based migration test.


Stop being nesh.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:23 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:It's so pretty outside. :)


Pretty freezing.

Foreign weather systems should be subject to a points based migration test.

Is the Beast from the East actually the result of a Soviet weather control programme? Is this the first strike in Putin's war on Europe?

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:21 am

Fartsniffage wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Pretty freezing.

Foreign weather systems should be subject to a points based migration test.


Stop being nesh.


I make no apologies for being a cultural neshionalist.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:39 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:It's so pretty outside. :)


Pretty freezing.

Foreign weather systems should be subject to a points based migration test.


The cold is my favorite type of weather. Snow is a bonus. I feed off the discomfort of others in these situations

Dark, cold nights with snow are the bestest. The streets are usually abandoned, which is a plus.

#RussianShill
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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:44 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Pretty freezing.

Foreign weather systems should be subject to a points based migration test.


The cold is my favorite type of weather. Snow is a bonus. I feed off the discomfort of others in these situations

Dark, cold nights with snow are the bestest. The streets are usually abandoned, which is a plus.

#RussianShill


I wear scarf, hat and massive coat from beginning of Autumn until end of Spring, and my co-workers get hot and bothered about my radiator always being turned up to maximum.

#TeamColdHearted
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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:46 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
The cold is my favorite type of weather. Snow is a bonus. I feed off the discomfort of others in these situations

Dark, cold nights with snow are the bestest. The streets are usually abandoned, which is a plus.

#RussianShill


I wear scarf, hat and massive coat from beginning of Autumn until end of Spring, and my co-workers get hot and bothered about my radiator always being turned up to maximum.

#TeamColdHearted

Dumb Icyologies.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:02 am

Ifreann wrote:
Dumb Ideologies wrote:
I wear scarf, hat and massive coat from beginning of Autumn until end of Spring, and my co-workers get hot and bothered about my radiator always being turned up to maximum.

#TeamColdHearted

Dumb Icyologies.


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Postby Jackania yugo » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:10 am

Are the EU bad?
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We are technically centrist.

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Postby Ifreann » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:10 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Ifreann wrote:Dumb Icyologies.


There's a new Discord nickname for next Christmas.

I will recompense you in the universal currency for creatives; please send me your exposure account details.

The last thing I want in this weather is exposure.

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Postby Dumb Ideologies » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:35 am

Jackania yugo wrote:Are the EU bad?


If you see yourself as primarily a European, no. It would be flawed as a result of the democratic deficit, perhaps, but a fundamentally good idea.

If you see yourself primarily as a Brit, or one of the component nations, you may see them as bad, dragging you towards an ever-increasing and deepening union you don't particularly identify with, and pooling sovereignty with people who might as well be little green men. Alternatively, you might see them as a necessary evil and want to stay for financial and trade reasons.

There you go, a moderate answer, respecting multiple perspectives.

EU are sovereignty-stealing ratdogs, hahaha, two-finger salute from the white cliffs, flood the Chunnel)
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:47 am

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Jackania yugo wrote:Are the EU bad?


If you see yourself as primarily a European, no. It would be flawed as a result of the democratic deficit, perhaps, but a fundamentally good idea.

If you see yourself primarily as a Brit, or one of the component nations, you may see them as bad, dragging you towards an ever-increasing and deepening union you don't particularly identify with, and pooling sovereignty with people who might as well be little green men. Alternatively, you might see them as a necessary evil and want to stay for financial and trade reasons.

There you go, a moderate answer, respecting multiple perspectives.

EU are sovereignty-stealing ratdogs, hahaha, two-finger salute from the white cliffs, flood the Chunnel)


I find it kind of hysterical that we agreed with france to pay for half the tunnel, negotiated the sovereignty rights on that basis, then suddenly forgot our wallet somewhere when they finished their half of the construction and left them with a tunnel to the middle of the channel that they clearly had to finish or it would represent a massive waste of time and money. No renegotiating the sovereignty of the tunnel tho.

Tbf, perfidious albion, what did they expect.

I'm kind of surprised they don't bring it up more often. "We paid for some of it."
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:55 am

Possibly rewinding quite a bit now, but as someone who was exposed to pornography at a relatively young age, and definitely exposed to "too much" of it, I see no reason to dismiss the notion that it may cause "deleterious behaviours" or desires.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:56 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:Possibly rewinding quite a bit now, but as someone who was exposed to pornography at a relatively young age, and definitely exposed to "too much" of it, I see no reason to dismiss the notion that it may cause "deleterious behaviours" or desires.


Can you elaborate specifically what negatives you experienced, and do you think comprehensive sex education would have helped?
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Feb 27, 2018 9:57 am

Hydesland wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
I think even the most ardent libertarians would agree removing bits of children with knives for no discernible medical purpose should be illegal.


Many liberals (I don't know about libertarians) take freedom of religion very seriously, and remember if you say "freedom of religion ends as soon as any other rights are impacted", then 'freedom of religion' is meaningless and superfluous. I believe 'freedom of religion' is one of the ostensible values our modern society is meant to be based on too.


Freedom of religion does not include freedom to force your religion on others.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

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Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:09 am

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For what reason?

What do you mean? The UK has finally cast away from neoliberal Europe, like the late great Tony Benn always wanted. It has taken sovereignty back into its own hands in terms of the economy in terms of foreign policy. Now it can rebuild its shattered society with a popular mobilisation, nationalisations and solidarity with freedom loving people across the world.


Zero of those three things are going to happen. We haven't moved away from Europe so much as we've moved towards even-more-neoliberal America.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Salandriagado » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:12 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:Possibly rewinding quite a bit now, but as someone who was exposed to pornography at a relatively young age, and definitely exposed to "too much" of it, I see no reason to dismiss the notion that it may cause "deleterious behaviours" or desires.


Sure, but that's a very different statement to "we should use the law to enforce these rules". That's what parenting is for.
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Anachronous Rex wrote:Good thing most a majority of people aren't so small-minded, and frightened of other's sexuality.

Over 40% (including me), are, so I fixed the post for accuracy.

Vilatania wrote:
Salandriagado wrote:
Notice that the link is to the notes from a university course on probability. You clearly have nothing beyond the most absurdly simplistic understanding of the subject.
By choosing 1, you no longer have 0 probability of choosing 1. End of subject.

(read up the quote stack)

Deal. £3000 do?[/quote]

Of course.[/quote]

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:15 am

Salandriagado wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:Possibly rewinding quite a bit now, but as someone who was exposed to pornography at a relatively young age, and definitely exposed to "too much" of it, I see no reason to dismiss the notion that it may cause "deleterious behaviours" or desires.


Sure, but that's a very different statement to "we should use the law to enforce these rules". That's what parenting is for.


Porn is also being stigmatized as the source of bad ideas about sex because it's easier and cheaper for the government to pretend it's the cause rather than lack of comprehensive sex education.
It's a dodge we shouldn't be allowing them to make.

Incorrect perceptions of sex and consent will persist with or without the porn ban, and will subside with comprehensive sex education with or without the porn ban. It is entirely unrelated.
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Postby Vassenor » Tue Feb 27, 2018 10:21 am

Also how was the EU dictating our foreign policy?
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