UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Vassenor]

You need a democratic socialist victory and an organised working class social movement. You're closer to that than you have been in forty years. And you want to throw it all away for Brussels? Fuck me dead.

how is leaving the EU to pursue tory dreams of being the next singapore going to bring us to a socialist paradise?

The wealth will trickle down. Give it time.

[Bakery Hill]

What do you mean? The UK has finally cast away from neoliberal Europe, like the late great Tony Benn always wanted. It has taken sovereignty back into its own hands in terms of the economy in terms of foreign policy. Now it can rebuild its shattered society with a popular mobilisation, nationalisations and solidarity with freedom loving people across the world.

What's a neoliberal. Arn't they like the regressive left?

social liberalism and laissez-faire economics (with an iron fist)

[Bakery Hill]

You need a democratic socialist victory and an organised working class social movement. You're closer to that than you have been in forty years. And you want to throw it all away for Brussels? Fuck me dead.

how is leaving the EU to pursue tory dreams of being the next singapore going to bring us to a socialist paradise?

Don't vote in the Tories next time? If opinion polls are accurate that's more than doable. It's not as if it's a choice between neoliberalism and neoliberalism plus. And there's no choice left, you're leaving. That's it. So vote for Corbyn next time, join a union and a social movement, go outside and take your future into your own hands.

[Jackania yugo]

What's a neoliberal. Arn't they like the regressive left?

social liberalism and laissez-faire economics (with an iron fist)

Can you please elaborate?

[The Liberated Territories]

What's a neoliberal. Arn't they like the regressive left?

social liberalism and laissez-faire economics (with an iron fist)

lol wut

[Bakery Hill]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism

[The Liberated Territories]

social liberalism and laissez-faire economics (with an iron fist)

Can you please elaborate?

A neoliberal is a socialist pejorative to describe anything economically to the "right" of themselves. So this means Milton Friedman, Margaret Thatcher, and Macron are all "neoliberals," although I prefer the American terminology of "libertarian, conservative, and liberal" respectively.

[Bakery Hill]

Can you please elaborate?

A neoliberal is a socialist pejorative to describe anything economically to the "right" of themselves.

Neoliberalism or neo-liberalism refers primarily to the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism. Such ideas include economic liberalization policies such as privatization, austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society. These market-based ideas and the policies they inspired constitute a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus which lasted from 1945 to 1980.

nEoLiBeRAlisM dOeSNt ExiST

[The Liberated Territories]

A neoliberal is a socialist pejorative to describe anything economically to the "right" of themselves.

Neoliberalism or neo-liberalism refers primarily to the 20th-century resurgence of 19th-century ideas associated with laissez-faire economic liberalism. Such ideas include economic liberalization policies such as privatization, austerity, deregulation, free trade, and reductions in government spending in order to increase the role of the private sector in the economy and society. These market-based ideas and the policies they inspired constitute a paradigm shift away from the post-war Keynesian consensus which lasted from 1945 to 1980.

nEoLiBeRAlisM dOeSNt ExiST

In the decades that followed, the use of the term "neoliberal" tended to refer to theories which diverged from the more laissez-faire doctrine of classical liberalism, and which promoted instead a market economy under the guidance and rules of a strong state, a model which came to be known as the social market economy.

So, no, nothing to do with laissez-faire and social liberties under an "iron fist." I see it as a branch of conservatism more than anything else — as it wishes to conserve the majority of the 20th century developments.

[Bakery Hill]

nEoLiBeRAlisM dOeSNt ExiST

In the decades that followed, the use of the term "neoliberal" tended to refer to theories which diverged from the more laissez-faire doctrine of classical liberalism, and which promoted instead a market economy under the guidance and rules of a strong state, a model which came to be known as the social market economy.

So, no, nothing to do with laissez-faire and social liberties under an "iron fist." I see it as a branch of conservatism more than anything else — as it wishes to conserve the majority of the 20th century developments.

Your special opinion is noted friend.

[Hydesland]

nEoLiBeRAlisM dOeSNt ExiST

This but unironically.

[MERIZoC]

you reap what you sew

Don't come up with a term for your shitty economic principles that everyone hates and then whine when people start using it as a pejorative.

[Hydesland]

you reap what you sew

Don't come up with a term for your shitty economic principles that everyone hates and then whine when people start using it as a pejorative.

Maybe don't use it to describe anyone economically to the right of Stalin.

[MERIZoC]

you reap what you sew

Don't come up with a term for your shitty economic principles that everyone hates and then whine when people start using it as a pejorative.

Maybe don't use it to describe anyone economically to the right of Stalin.

"Jeremy Corbyn, neoliberal" is definitely a phrase I've uttered, seriously.

Oh wait, I forget that you think Corbyn practically is Stalin.

[Hydesland]

Maybe don't use it to describe anyone economically to the right of Stalin.

"Jeremy Corbyn, neoliberal" is definitely a phrase I've uttered, seriously.

Oh wait, I forget that you think Corbyn practically is Stalin.

You haven't yet, I bet if Corbyn does come to power and inevitably starts doing what every other politician does in a democracy - start making compromises, start being what's known as pragmatic, like remaining in the single market, not nationalising everything - he will get labelled that by many.

[MERIZoC]

"Jeremy Corbyn, neoliberal" is definitely a phrase I've uttered, seriously.

Oh wait, I forget that you think Corbyn practically is Stalin.

You haven't yet, I bet if Corbyn does come to power and inevitably starts doing what every other politician does in a democracy - start making compromises, start being what's known as pragmatic, like remaining in the single market, not nationalising everything - he will get labelled that by many.

And we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Can you actually point me to politicians I've labeled as such that you feel are being unfairly judged?

[Hydesland]

You haven't yet, I bet if Corbyn does come to power and inevitably starts doing what every other politician does in a democracy - start making compromises, start being what's known as pragmatic, like remaining in the single market, not nationalising everything - he will get labelled that by many.

And we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Can you actually point me to politicians I've labeled as such that you feel are being unfairly judged?

I'm not singling you out in particular.

[MERIZoC]

And we'll cross that bridge when we get to it. Can you actually point me to politicians I've labeled as such that you feel are being unfairly judged?

I'm not singling you out in particular.

Well, you responded to me.

Who, then? (and dont say internet anime tankies)

[The Liberated Territories]

nEoLiBeRAlisM dOeSNt ExiST

This but unironically.

Excellent read, thank you

[Hydesland]

I'm not singling you out in particular.

Well, you responded to me.

Who, then? (and dont say internet anime tankies)

Why not internet anime tankies?

The point is, I've seen neoliberal apply to people as left as Stiglitz and as right as Rothbard - that tent is too big to be uesful.

[Jackania yugo]

Well, you responded to me.

Who, then? (and dont say internet anime tankies)

Why not internet anime tankies?

The point is, I've seen neoliberal apply to people as left as Stiglitz and as right as Rothbard - that tent is too big to be uesful.

Let's just face it, the poltical landscape is a massive clusterfuck spreading for miles and miles.

[Ostroeuropa]

Why not internet anime tankies?

The point is, I've seen neoliberal apply to people as left as Stiglitz and as right as Rothbard - that tent is too big to be uesful.

Let's just face it, the poltical landscape is a massive clusterfuck spreading for miles and miles.

Can... can this be the national motto?

[Jackania yugo]

Let's just face it, the poltical landscape is a massive clusterfuck spreading for miles and miles.

Can... can this be the national motto?

For who? Me, you, the UK?

[Ostroeuropa]

Can... can this be the national motto?

For who? Me, you, the UK?

Yes.

[Souseiseki]

David Allen Green: “The government confirms it will not join the customs union proposed by Corbyn and instead UK will be in another form of customs union which will not be the Customs Union or any existing customs union but a new customs union, with the very same effect as the Customs Union. Clear?”