UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Northumbrian Liberation Army]

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england ... protesters

The phrase "citizen’s arrest" led me to think that the protests may have a connection to the Freemen on the Land movement, which is a common law variation on the Sovereign Citizens movement wherein followers believe that the laws of the land don’t apply to them.

wearing a shirt with a white dragon on while being a member of a group named for a Welsh guy

hmm

[States of Glory]

We'll make it permanent, then. While we're at it, let's abolish the Scottish Government and Scottish Parliament until Brexit is over. The SNP must pay for their agitations.

Do you actually live in the UK?

Of course I do. I was only trying to make a joke. Judging by your reaction, however, I failed big time.

[Vassenor]

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england ... protesters

The phrase "citizen’s arrest" led me to think that the protests may have a connection to the Freemen on the Land movement, which is a common law variation on the Sovereign Citizens movement wherein followers believe that the laws of the land don’t apply to them.

Apparently they were getting triggered over his refusal to pay homage to Dear Leader Trump and had built a set of gallows outside emblazoned with the Brexit slogan Take Back Control.

Conspiracy to murder charges when?

[The Huskar Social Union]

So are the DUP and Sinn Fein actually trying to sort out a deal anymore?

Not at the moment no, they had another break in the negotiations iirc.

[Minoa]

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england ... protesters

The phrase "citizen’s arrest" led me to think that the protests may have a connection to the Freemen on the Land movement, which is a common law variation on the Sovereign Citizens movement wherein followers believe that the laws of the land don’t apply to them.

It actually dates back to medieval England, and is enshrined in the police and criminal evidence act 1984. It's actually called "any person arrest", since you don't have to be a citizen to do it. But anyone carrying out a citizens arrest makes themselves liable to lawsuit or prosecution, so it's best to just stay out of it and call the police.

And yes, in this example it's just some idiots. To the tower with them!

I have watched a lot of videos about the sovereign citizens/freemen on the land movement. According to ABC Australia in 2015, a citizen’s arrest is apparently one of the tactics. Since both movements are based on conspiracy theories, many tend to follow along with most of the goals of mainstream conspiracy theorists (e.g. Alex Jones’ support for Trump).

The beliefs of the sovereign citizens and freemen on the land movements are so similar that it is hard to tell the difference.

[Vassenor]

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england ... protesters

The phrase "citizen’s arrest" led me to think that the protests may have a connection to the Freemen on the Land movement, which is a common law variation on the Sovereign Citizens movement wherein followers believe that the laws of the land don’t apply to them.

It actually dates back to medieval England, and is enshrined in the police and criminal evidence act 1984. It's actually called "any person arrest", since you don't have to be a citizen to do it. But anyone carrying out a citizens arrest makes themselves liable to lawsuit or prosecution, so it's best to just stay out of it and call the police.

And yes, in this example it's just some idiots. To the tower with them!

Yes and no. s24A PACE does allow for an ordinary citizen to detain an individual until a warranted constable can take them, but there's a load of limitations on it.

24A Arrest without warrant: other persons
(1)A person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant—
(a)anyone who is in the act of committing an indictable offence;
(b)anyone whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be committing an indictable offence.

(2)Where an indictable offence has been committed, a person other than a constable may arrest without a warrant—
(a)anyone who is guilty of the offence;
(b)anyone whom he has reasonable grounds for suspecting to be guilty of it.

(3)But the power of summary arrest conferred by subsection (1) or (2) is exercisable only if—
(a)the person making the arrest has reasonable grounds for believing that for any of the reasons mentioned in subsection (4) it is necessary to arrest the person in question; and
(b)it appears to the person making the arrest that it is not reasonably practicable for a constable to make it instead.

(4)The reasons are to prevent the person in question—
(a)causing physical injury to himself or any other person;
(b)suffering physical injury;
(c)causing loss of or damage to property; or
(d)making off before a constable can assume responsibility for him.

In practice this set of powers is basically only really useful for private security guards to detain you until the police arrive.

[Val Halla]

So obvs Mayor Khan is like Indian or iranian or something, so we should protest him with a foreign flag

[Dumb Ideologies]

So obvs Mayor Khan is like Indian or iranian or something, so we should protest him with a foreign flag

Stupid doesn't have a nationality, so both Khan and the protesters are stateless.

[Salandriagado]

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england ... protesters

The phrase "citizen’s arrest" led me to think that the protests may have a connection to the Freemen on the Land movement, which is a common law variation on the Sovereign Citizens movement wherein followers believe that the laws of the land don’t apply to them.

Why was one guy holding up an American flag?

Backwards.

[Ifreann]

Why was one guy holding up an American flag?

Backwards.

Apt.

[Hurdergaryp]

Backwards.

Apt.

Just another case of alt-right assholes trying to take over the world, but it never does seem to work outside their online chat groups.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Apt.

Just another case of alt-right assholes trying to take over the world, but it never does seem to work outside their online chat groups.

[Ostroeuropa]

"Labour Party transphobes are crowdfunding to exclude trans women from all-women shortlists" says guardian journalist.

Labour party transphobes are asserting transwomen should be seen as men, who are excluded from no-male shortlists. Bit different, but the problem is that the journalist likely supports excluding males and so needs to present this as excluding transwomen rather than excluding men, and subsequently treating transwomen as men.

[Porto Arrivo]

Guys it’s on Sky News and probs BBC that UKIP Leader’s girlfriend posted rascist texts about Megan (forgot how to spell it) Markle.

[Vassenor]

"Labour Party transphobes are crowdfunding to exclude trans women from all-women shortlists" says guardian journalist.

Labour party transphobes are asserting transwomen should be seen as men, who are excluded from no-male shortlists. Bit different, but the problem is that the journalist likely supports excluding males and so needs to present this as excluding transwomen rather than excluding men, and subsequently treating transwomen as men.

Let's see the actual wording then. Because right now that smacks of you trying to spin this into more feminist oppression of the man.

[Ostroeuropa]

"Labour Party transphobes are crowdfunding to exclude trans women from all-women shortlists" says guardian journalist.

Labour party transphobes are asserting transwomen should be seen as men, who are excluded from no-male shortlists. Bit different, but the problem is that the journalist likely supports excluding males and so needs to present this as excluding transwomen rather than excluding men, and subsequently treating transwomen as men.

Let's see the actual wording then. Because right now that smacks of you trying to spin this into more feminist oppression of the man.

The actual wording of what?

http://archive.is/PGe63

https://twitter.com/eve_rebecca/status/ ... 6506840065

Here you go.

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Labour Party transphobes are crowdfunding to exclude trans women from all-women shortlists. Cruel & despicable at any time; doubly so to raise 1000s of pounds while refuges are cut & women hit hardest by austerity.

Yeah the reporting is a nightmare. I said I was in a legal dispute with the organiser - I’m not but I wanted to report it on legal grounds so said in the complaint that it contravenes the Equality Act by discriminating against people because of transgender identity

I mean hostility and discrimination on the basis of transgender identity is a hate crime under the law so regardless of their policies I’d still take my chances

Self-awareness level 0.

Or do you mean the actual wording of the law labour had to pass to legalize sexist discrimination when it was previously ruled illegal?

[MERIZoC]

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england ... protesters

The phrase "citizen’s arrest" led me to think that the protests may have a connection to the Freemen on the Land movement, which is a common law variation on the Sovereign Citizens movement wherein followers believe that the laws of the land don’t apply to them.

I misread the article the first time round and thought the Fabian Society tried to arrest him. That would be an interesting turn of events...

[Northumbrian Liberation Army]

Guys it’s on Sky News and probs BBC that UKIP Leader’s girlfriend posted rascist texts about Megan (forgot how to spell it) Markle.

strange that someone with a Norman surname would try to bring up cultural invasion

[Vassenor]

Guys it’s on Sky News and probs BBC that UKIP Leader’s girlfriend posted rascist texts about Megan (forgot how to spell it) Markle.

strange that someone with a Norman surname would try to bring up cultural invasion

Nigel hasn't been leader of UKIP (on paper anyway) for almost two years now.

[Northumbrian Liberation Army]

strange that someone with a Norman surname would try to bring up cultural invasion

Nigel hasn't been leader of UKIP (on paper anyway) for almost two years now.

"English (of Norman origin): habitational name from Marigni in La Manche, so called from the Gallo-Roman personal name Marinius + the locative suffix -acum."

[Dumb Ideologies]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42687568

Virgin Trains is to reverse its decision to stop selling the Daily Mail on its West Coast services.

Good to see the PR department is as well run as the trains - impressive organisational synergy.

[Minoa]

Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42687032

Carillion is done for. The BBC says that the government will have to take on a lot of public services. I am not seeing Brexit as the cause, but more of Carillion gambling too much on contracts for large-scale projects.

[Dumb Ideologies]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-42683749

"Male working patterns have seen a big shift towards part-time roles, a study has found.

Almost one in eight men work part-time today, compared with fewer than one in 12 two decades ago, according to the Resolution Foundation think tank.

Interesting study. Especially as the below article indicates that, amongst those working 10-30 hours, women earn between 3% and 11.5% more than men depending on what particular number of hours "slice" that you're looking at.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38385259

More evidence that gendered inequality in the UK is very much a two-sided coin and there's a pressing need to pay genuine attention to both sides rather than just following the agendas pushed by feminist lobbyists.

[Ifreann]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42687568

Virgin Trains is to reverse its decision to stop selling the Daily Mail on its West Coast services.

Good to see the PR department is as well run as the trains - impressive organisational synergy.

Comrade Corbyn saves the day again!

[8021]

come out ye black and tans