UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Shamhnan Insir]

What would have been the biggest move of the reshuffle seems to not have happened at all then, Jeremy Hunt apparently refusing to move from Health to swap with Greg Clark. Starting to look a bit of a damp squib this whole reshuffle business.

Looks like May couldn't do much pushing. Knives must be out.

[Somecoldwetislands]

What would have been the biggest move of the reshuffle seems to not have happened at all then, Jeremy Hunt apparently refusing to move from Health to swap with Greg Clark. Starting to look a bit of a damp squib this whole reshuffle business.

Looks like May couldn't do much pushing. Knives must be out.

I get the feeling she's going to limp on out of inertia, like, we're going to have to watch this until 2021. It's going to be like Major post ERM debacle but with the economy going down instead of up...

[Shamhnan Insir]

Looks like May couldn't do much pushing. Knives must be out.

I get the feeling she's going to limp on out of inertia, like, we're going to have to watch this until 2021. It's going to be like Major post ERM debacle but with the economy going down instead of up...

I'm not so sure. She took a poisoned chalice to begin with and we've seen a lot of sharks circling on many occasions now. Once a couple more nails are in the Brexit vessel then I wouldn't be surprised to see her turfed overboard while someone else mans the helm as it inevitably capsizes with the loss of all on board.

[Philjia]

Aha. Not so fast. The Randomised Badger Culling Trials reduced TB outbreaks by a small amount, but there were increases outside the cull area? Presumably carried by badgers that escaped? No, you're right that the small-scale trials are pointless, what we should be trying is a country-wide high-technology scientific cull with each rural district containing its own hit squad. No survivors.

Not strictly necessary imo.

Cull the surrounding area and box them in, then cull the centre with that perimeter still actively culling.

So dependent on how its done, instead of 1 square, do the 8 surrounding, then at 90% cull completion, begin the cull in the middle.

They're badgers. They are small, fast, nocturnal, and dig extensive burrows. They will escape into non-cull areas, unless you massively expand the cull area, which will of course mean vastly expanding the manpower needed to conduct the cull. (Bear in mind that during the last badger cull they literally failed to kill enough badgers) Badgers are also only one vector of the disease; it's also spread by cats, dogs, rodents, other livestock, and fallow deer. Multiple trials of badger culling have found that it's either ineffective, or bad value for money, or both. The government only brings it up now and again to keep farmers happy, because we don't have a proper solution to stop bovine TB that doesn't often involve killing a lot of cows.

[Ifreann]

I get the feeling she's going to limp on out of inertia, like, we're going to have to watch this until 2021. It's going to be like Major post ERM debacle but with the economy going down instead of up...

I'm not so sure. She took a poisoned chalice to begin with and we've seen a lot of sharks circling on many occasions now. Once a couple more nails are in the Brexit vessel then I wouldn't be surprised to see her turfed overboard while someone else mans the helm as it inevitably capsizes with the loss of all on board.

Assuming the she isn't buried under an avalanche of metaphors first.

[Ostroeuropa]

Not strictly necessary imo.

Cull the surrounding area and box them in, then cull the centre with that perimeter still actively culling.

So dependent on how its done, instead of 1 square, do the 8 surrounding, then at 90% cull completion, begin the cull in the middle.

They're badgers. They are small, fast, nocturnal, and dig extensive burrows. They will escape into non-cull areas, unless you massively expand the cull area, which will of course mean vastly expanding the manpower needed to conduct the cull. (Bear in mind that during the last badger cull they literally failed to kill enough badgers) Badgers are also only one vector of the disease; it's also spread by cats, dogs, rodents, other livestock, and fallow deer. Multiple trials of badger culling have found that it's either ineffective, or bad value for money, or both. The government only brings it up now and again to keep farmers happy, because we don't have a proper solution to stop bovine TB that doesn't often involve killing a lot of cows.

Badger seeking drones on farms.

[Dumb Ideologies]

What would have been the biggest move of the reshuffle seems to not have happened at all then, Jeremy Hunt apparently refusing to move from Health to swap with Greg Clark. Starting to look a bit of a damp squib this whole reshuffle business.

Looks like May couldn't do much pushing. Knives must be out.

Is it too optimistic to hope for a sudden inexplicable surge of hysteric cannibalism?

[Ifreann]

They're badgers. They are small, fast, nocturnal, and dig extensive burrows. They will escape into non-cull areas, unless you massively expand the cull area, which will of course mean vastly expanding the manpower needed to conduct the cull. (Bear in mind that during the last badger cull they literally failed to kill enough badgers) Badgers are also only one vector of the disease; it's also spread by cats, dogs, rodents, other livestock, and fallow deer. Multiple trials of badger culling have found that it's either ineffective, or bad value for money, or both. The government only brings it up now and again to keep farmers happy, because we don't have a proper solution to stop bovine TB that doesn't often involve killing a lot of cows.

Badger seeking drones on farms.

"Tories murder hundreds of pet cats"

[Dumb Ideologies]

They're badgers. They are small, fast, nocturnal, and dig extensive burrows. They will escape into non-cull areas, unless you massively expand the cull area, which will of course mean vastly expanding the manpower needed to conduct the cull. (Bear in mind that during the last badger cull they literally failed to kill enough badgers) Badgers are also only one vector of the disease; it's also spread by cats, dogs, rodents, other livestock, and fallow deer. Multiple trials of badger culling have found that it's either ineffective, or bad value for money, or both. The government only brings it up now and again to keep farmers happy, because we don't have a proper solution to stop bovine TB that doesn't often involve killing a lot of cows.

Badger seeking drones on farms.

Not sure if high-tech cull proposal or one of the weirder entries in the personal classified ads

[Ostroeuropa]

Badger seeking drones on farms.

"Tories murder hundreds of pet cats"

Yes.
The Tories.
They proposed it.

*hides labour card*

Badger seeking drones on farms.

Not sure if high-tech cull proposal or one of the weirder entries in the personal classified ads

Shh. You'll blow my cover. Nobody has figured it out in years.

[Shamhnan Insir]

I'm not so sure. She took a poisoned chalice to begin with and we've seen a lot of sharks circling on many occasions now. Once a couple more nails are in the Brexit vessel then I wouldn't be surprised to see her turfed overboard while someone else mans the helm as it inevitably capsizes with the loss of all on board.

Assuming the she isn't buried under an avalanche of metaphors first.

Looks like May couldn't do much pushing. Knives must be out.

Is it too optimistic to hope for a sudden inexplicable surge of hysteric cannibalism?

"Cabinet reshuffle latest - Out came the knives!.... and forks..... and since we're British we got the dessert spoons out just in case."

[The Huskar Social Union]

They're badgers. They are small, fast, nocturnal, and dig extensive burrows. They will escape into non-cull areas, unless you massively expand the cull area, which will of course mean vastly expanding the manpower needed to conduct the cull. (Bear in mind that during the last badger cull they literally failed to kill enough badgers) Badgers are also only one vector of the disease; it's also spread by cats, dogs, rodents, other livestock, and fallow deer. Multiple trials of badger culling have found that it's either ineffective, or bad value for money, or both. The government only brings it up now and again to keep farmers happy, because we don't have a proper solution to stop bovine TB that doesn't often involve killing a lot of cows.

Badger seeking drones on farms.

Only if it looks like a mini helicopter and quotes chip hazzard.

[Ostroeuropa]

Badger seeking drones on farms.

Only if it looks like a mini helicopter and quotes chip hazzard.

I think we can make that doable.

[Fartsniffage]

Only if it looks like a mini helicopter and quotes chip hazzard.

I think we can make that doable.

Bah, they need to be blasting out this while they hunt.

[Trumptonium]

The Conservative Party website crashed and burned. They didn't update their security ceritficate.

Does anyone need further proof that this party is stuck in the 1990s? Is there a more appropriate metaphor for a party failing to attract anyone under 50? Or do they not have 30 pounds to spare?

[Trumptonium]

What would have been the biggest move of the reshuffle seems to not have happened at all then, Jeremy Hunt apparently refusing to move from Health to swap with Greg Clark. Starting to look a bit of a damp squib this whole reshuffle business.

A much more likely candidate for post-Hunt Health job is Anne Milton.

Looks like May couldn't do much pushing. Knives must be out.

I get the feeling she's going to limp on out of inertia, like, we're going to have to watch this until 2021. It's going to be like Major post ERM debacle but with the economy going down instead of up...

It is amazing how many similarities can be drawn between May and Major.

Except that, of course, in the aftermath of the 1992 sterling crash and recession, the Conservatives went full technocrat (even if they just dragged on squabbles for 5 years) and devised an immediate reform with an emergency budget, giving Labour in 1997 an economy that was fundamentally stable and prosperous with a *gasp* surplus. This government is quite the opposite - a year on after the largest regulatory change to the UK economy since the immediate post-war period (if not 1979-1982), we know fuck all, and the government knows as much as us. Weird, right?
You'd think they'd make an effort to y'know, devise a plan or something, at least on the entirely domestic-policy things (like housing and productivity) but looks like these are just buzzwords.

The question is of course whether it will end in a 1997 red sweep.

[Philjia]

Jeremy "Freudian Slip" Hunt has had his remit expanded to social care because clearly he's doing a good job on health.

[Souseiseki]

The Conservative Party website crashed and burned. They didn't update their security ceritficate.

good. who needs HTTPS anyway? nothing to hide, nothing to fear.

[Trumptonium]

Jeremy "Freudian Slip" Hunt has had his remit expanded to social care because clearly he's doing a good job on health.

Social care should be under the remit of the health secretary because it is efficient to do so.

Britain is the only country in Europe where the health service is not simultaneously responsible for social care. It's a dramatic waste of money, duplication of resources and stupid utilisation of labour. An effective social care will also reduce the cost of providing a public health service.

[Eastfield Lodge]

Jeremy "Freudian Slip" Hunt has had his remit expanded to social care because clearly he's doing a good job on health.

Social care should be under the remit of the health secretary because it is efficient to do so.

Britain is the only country in Europe where the health service is not simultaneously responsible for social care. It's a dramatic waste of money, duplication of resources and stupid utilisation of labour. An effective social care will also reduce the cost of providing a public health service.

True, if it were effective and not cut to the bone and ridiculously understaffed.

[Philjia]

Jeremy "Freudian Slip" Hunt has had his remit expanded to social care because clearly he's doing a good job on health.

Social care should be under the remit of the health secretary because it is efficient to do so.

Britain is the only country in Europe where the health service is not simultaneously responsible for social care. It's a dramatic waste of money, duplication of resources and stupid utilisation of labour. An effective social care will also reduce the cost of providing a public health service.

Yeah, but it's now all under the control of Jeremy Hunt, who Theresa May knows is doing a shit job.

[Vassenor]

Social care should be under the remit of the health secretary because it is efficient to do so.

Britain is the only country in Europe where the health service is not simultaneously responsible for social care. It's a dramatic waste of money, duplication of resources and stupid utilisation of labour. An effective social care will also reduce the cost of providing a public health service.

Yeah, but it's now all under the control of Jeremy Hunt, who Theresa May knows is doing a shit job.

Who does he have dirt on, given that he seems to be impossible to sack?

[Salandriagado]

Yeah, but it's now all under the control of Jeremy Hunt, who Theresa May knows is doing a shit job.

Who does he have dirt on, given that he seems to be impossible to sack?

He's doing the most effective and comprehensive job of working towards their goal of dismantling the NHS of any Tory cabinet member ever. Why would he be sacked?

[Dumb Ideologies]

The Daily Telegraph has an early contender for headline of the year, describing the reshuffle as the "Night of the blunt stiletto".

[The Huskar Social Union]

So what exactly did Toby Young say to piss everyone off? I saw something about him tweeting about someones tits in the middle of a parliament session a few years back, and something about him making remarks towards disabled school kids?