UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Taihei Tengoku]

parliament should be dissolved and replaced with the adam smith institute

parliament should be dissolved and replaced with the trades union congress

The wokest queen

anyways it would be great if the UK bumbled into "neoliberal" Brexit rather than Orban/Duda Brexit--this scenario was what the ASI was hoping for with Brexit.

[Questers]

parliament should be dissolved and replaced with the trades union congress

The wokest queen

anyways it would be great if the UK bumbled into "neoliberal" Brexit rather than Orban/Duda Brexit--this scenario was what the ASI was hoping for with Brexit.

most likely option, they will coalesce into one thing.

[Salandriagado]

Cameron flying away on a pig over a field of wheat full of frolicking Theresa Maymays.

That's a lot of detail to get onto a stamp.

You could do a set, so you could collect them, and build the picture.

[Somecoldwetislands]

Irn Bru is magic. It cures hangovers straight off.

I want them to bring back the Irn Bru that burnt your mouth, that stuff was top.

[Questers]

Rio tropical is the best hangover drink. Subject to higher rate sugar tax though I think.

[Ifreann]

Irn Bru is actually pretty naff don't @ me.

I think I had Irn Bru once and from what I recall "naff" is as good a word as any. But this was here at home, not in the land of the Scotti, so it's possible I was drinking inferior Bru that's exported rather than given to the more discerning locals.

[Somecoldwetislands]

Rio tropical is the best hangover drink. Subject to higher rate sugar tax though I think.

Didn't decline as much in quality as lilt did when they took the same measures.

[Dooom35796821595]

parliament should be dissolved and replaced with the adam smith institute

parliament should be dissolved and replaced with the trades union congress

Parliament should be dissolved and replaced with the Corporate Congress!

[New Rogernomics]

parliament should be dissolved and replaced with the trades union congress

Parliament should be dissolved and replaced with the Corporate Congress!

Parliament should be dissolved and replaced by an anarcho-syndicalist commune, where people take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

[Vassenor]

Parliament should be dissolved and replaced with the Corporate Congress!

Parliament should be dissolved and replaced by an anarcho-syndicalist commune, where people take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

See the violence inherent in the system!

[Ifreann]

Parliament should be dissolved and replaced with the Corporate Congress!

Parliament should be dissolved and replaced by an anarcho-syndicalist commune, where people take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

Parliament should be dissolved and the resulting solution stirred clockwise under a full moon. Then one drop from that solution should be added to 10 litres of pure water, which should be stirred clockwise under a full moon, and so on through seven full moons. That final solution of hyper-concentrated parliament should then be given to the Queen, who will gain ALL THE POWERS OF PARLIAMENT, thus restoring absolute monarchy.

Homeopathy: It Just Works!

[HMS Barham]

Yes, I noticed that same article today, I know people on the left who deluded themselves into thinking the left will benefit by voting for Brexit. *sigh*
As if global capital wouldn't be able to find ways to adapt to such circumstances.

The Tories are on the ropes, propped up by an unstable alliance, having thrown away the party's majority and having replaced the lizardlike but effective Cameron with a woman whose incompetence is memetic.

Well hang on.

Cameron was ineffective like a prematurely detonating firework whereas May is ineffective like a damp tea towel. Corbyn is ineffective like an exploding tea towel: looks harmless until it isn't.

[Fartsniffage]

The Tories are on the ropes, propped up by an unstable alliance, having thrown away the party's majority and having replaced the lizardlike but effective Cameron with a woman whose incompetence is memetic.

Well hang on.

Cameron was ineffective like a prematurely detonating firework whereas May is ineffective like a damp tea towel. Corbyn is ineffective like an exploding tea towel: looks harmless until it isn't.

You have frequent problems with exploding tea towels?

[Kavagrad]

Irn Bru is actually pretty naff don't @ me.

I think I had Irn Bru once and from what I recall "naff" is as good a word as any. But this was here at home, not in the land of the Scotti, so it's possible I was drinking inferior Bru that's exported rather than given to the more discerning locals.

Had it in Edinburgh, naff is definitely the correct term.

[Ostroeuropa]

Parliament should be dissolved and replaced with the Corporate Congress!

Parliament should be dissolved and replaced by an anarcho-syndicalist commune, where people take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week.

!!! >=(

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5lYXaVkA0U

Damn syndicalists, they ruined syndicalism. In any case, they were playing in filth, so clearly their anarchism failed. Not to mention their plan going to shit the moment someone violent with a sword turned up. And who solved that problem in the end?

The police. I rest my case.

[Eibenland]

Yes, I noticed that same article today, I know people on the left who deluded themselves into thinking the left will benefit by voting for Brexit. *sigh*
As if global capital wouldn't be able to find ways to adapt to such circumstances.

The Tories are on the ropes, propped up by an unstable alliance, having thrown away the party's majority and having replaced the lizardlike but effective Cameron with a woman whose incompetence is memetic. Jeremy Corbyn, who experts suggested would never have a snowball's chance in hell and would lead Labour into years in the doldrums, now leads a party that's well ahead in the polls and widely seen as the government in waiting. The government has begun to abandon austerity arguments and is now advocating investment for growth. The centre ground has moved considerably leftwards.

You may be being slightly pessimistic.

Corbyn was already Labour leader before Brexit, it's debatable how much leaving the EU had to do with it. The only difference is that Cameron would be prime minister rather than May.

[Souseiseki]

Is it weird that those polls seem to paint Labour voters as more liberal than the Liberal Democrats? They support gay marriage more, oppose schools promoting obeying authority more. I thought LD's were supposed to be about social freedoms?

I think people are fundamentally not liberal. I think young people look liberal because most people grow up with slightly different outlooks to their parents and have some formative years where they really change their worldview. Other than that, they hold their morals dear and don't like it when people cross them.

I'd argue that labour's lot are progressive. They believe in a lot of social freedoms because they don't share the more traditional morals that ban stuff like gay marriage. The key though, is that they think gay marriage is ok not that people should be allowed to do stuff they don't agree with. My own partner is a good example of this. She holds every "liberal" opinion you can think of but it's clear there's no room for deviation.

I have a lot of respect for Farron. It's a real, liberal position to say he thinks gay people are sinning against God but also that it's not the states business so they should be left to it. I don't think it played well because young people are just as moralising as old conservatives.

good posts from reddit on the difference between progressivism and liberalism, labour and the lib dems

[Dumb Ideologies]

Is it weird that those polls seem to paint Labour voters as more liberal than the Liberal Democrats? They support gay marriage more, oppose schools promoting obeying authority more. I thought LD's were supposed to be about social freedoms?

I think people are fundamentally not liberal. I think young people look liberal because most people grow up with slightly different outlooks to their parents and have some formative years where they really change their worldview. Other than that, they hold their morals dear and don't like it when people cross them.

I'd argue that labour's lot are progressive. They believe in a lot of social freedoms because they don't share the more traditional morals that ban stuff like gay marriage. The key though, is that they think gay marriage is ok not that people should be allowed to do stuff they don't agree with. My own partner is a good example of this. She holds every "liberal" opinion you can think of but it's clear there's no room for deviation.

I have a lot of respect for Farron. It's a real, liberal position to say he thinks gay people are sinning against God but also that it's not the states business so they should be left to it. I don't think it played well because young people are just as moralising as old conservatives.

good posts from reddit on the difference between progressivism and liberalism, labour and the lib dems

In everyday they're pretty synonymous but this makes a sort of sense. I guess I'm on team progressive rather than team liberal. DI's Razor says "when confronted by two options, choose the one that requires least respect to Lib Dems."

[Hydesland]

Is it weird that those polls seem to paint Labour voters as more liberal than the Liberal Democrats? They support gay marriage more, oppose schools promoting obeying authority more. I thought LD's were supposed to be about social freedoms?

I think people are fundamentally not liberal. I think young people look liberal because most people grow up with slightly different outlooks to their parents and have some formative years where they really change their worldview. Other than that, they hold their morals dear and don't like it when people cross them.

I'd argue that labour's lot are progressive. They believe in a lot of social freedoms because they don't share the more traditional morals that ban stuff like gay marriage. The key though, is that they think gay marriage is ok not that people should be allowed to do stuff they don't agree with. My own partner is a good example of this. She holds every "liberal" opinion you can think of but it's clear there's no room for deviation.

I have a lot of respect for Farron. It's a real, liberal position to say he thinks gay people are sinning against God but also that it's not the states business so they should be left to it. I don't think it played well because young people are just as moralising as old conservatives.

good posts from reddit on the difference between progressivism and liberalism, labour and the lib dems

The virgin moralizing sanctimonious progressive vs the chad pragmatic nihilistic liberal.

[States of Glory]

Tony Blair calls for second referendum in desperate attempt to stay relevant.

In other news, shock as Britons discover that Blair still exists.

[GB-and-NI]

Yes, I noticed that same article today, I know people on the left who deluded themselves into thinking the left will benefit by voting for Brexit. *sigh*
As if global capital wouldn't be able to find ways to adapt to such circumstances.

The Tories are on the ropes, propped up by an unstable alliance, having thrown away the party's majority and having replaced the lizardlike but effective Cameron with a woman whose incompetence is memetic. Jeremy Corbyn, who experts suggested would never have a snowball's chance in hell and would lead Labour into years in the doldrums, now leads a party that's well ahead in the polls and widely seen as the government in waiting. The government has begun to abandon austerity arguments and is now advocating investment for growth. The centre ground has moved considerably leftwards.

You may be being slightly pessimistic.

"...on the ropes" is a bit too far, I'd say. They're secure in government until the next election for as long as Jeremy Corbyn is the Leader of the Labour Party. The confidence and supply agreement with the DUP was never going to be easy-going for either party but it's already been put under severe pressure and it remained intact. Even if the deal collapses the DUP would never vote for anything that could mean Jeremy Corbyn becoming Prime Minister. At best, if it came to a vote of no confidence, the opposition could muster 315 votes (the DUP would almost certainly abstain if the c+s agreement failed) whilst the Conservatives could muster 317 votes (and if the DUP decided to vote with them it'd be 327).

They may well be seen as the "government in waiting" though this is only a comment I've heard bounced around within Westminster and the Labour Party itself, but they are by no means "well ahead in the polls". The latest opinion poll gave Labour a 2-point lead. Labour's average lead in the polls over the last 4 weeks has been 0.9% (Lab - 41.0% | Con - 40.1%). Over that same period of time the Conservatives led the polls twice. Meanwhile, Theresa May remains consistently ahead in the polls for preferred Prime Minister. The latest poll gave her a 6-point lead. On average, over the last 4 weeks, she's had a lead of 4.8% (34.8% - 30.0%).

And just as a little look to see what Parliament would look like if the average of the last 4 weeks is put through a simulator, this is what we get:

LAB: 291
CON: 290
SNP: 32
LD: 14
OTH: 23

[Ifreann]

Tony Blair calls for second referendum in desperate attempt to stay relevant.

In other news, shock as Britons discover that Blair still exists.

Tony's mentioned in this new Trump book, I think. Supposedly said something to Jared Kushner, who he knows from bringing peace to the Middle East, about British intelligence keeping an eye on Trump.

This is the closest he's been to actual relevance in years.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Tony Blair calls for second referendum in desperate attempt to stay relevant.

In other news, shock as Britons discover that Blair still exists.

Ton'y mentioned in this new Trump book, I think. Supposedly said something to Jared Kushner, who he knows from bringing peace to the Middle East, about British intelligence keeping an eye on Trump.

This is the closest he's been t actual relevance in years.

There's been shocking insinuations that his "advice" on the matter was an effort to ingratiate himself with a view to landing a cushy middle eastern affairs job in the event of a Trump government. Tony would never sell out his core principles in such a...pffff, sorry couldn't keep a straight face.

[States of Glory]

, Theresa May remains consistently ahead in the polls for preferred Prime Minister. The latest poll gave her a 6-point lead. On average, over the last 4 weeks, she's had a lead of 4.8% (34.8% - 30.0%).

That doesn't mean much. If I remember correctly, Gordon Brown was ahead on that particular question despite being behind in the polls. Whether it's because Britons are naturally opposed to change or whether it's because most people think 'better the devil you know', I have no idea, but the incumbent PM has a massive advantage when it comes to 'preferred Prime Minister'.

Ton'y mentioned in this new Trump book, I think. Supposedly said something to Jared Kushner, who he knows from bringing peace to the Middle East, about British intelligence keeping an eye on Trump.

This is the closest he's been t actual relevance in years.

There's been shocking insinuations that his "advice" on the matter was an effort to ingratiate himself with a view to landing a cushy middle eastern affairs job in the event of a Trump government. Tony would never sell out his core principles in such a...pffff, sorry couldn't keep a straight face.

If everyone had known at the time that a Trump victory would potentially give Blair a greater role in the Middle East, Hillary would have no doubt won in a landslide.

[Ifreann]

, Theresa May remains consistently ahead in the polls for preferred Prime Minister. The latest poll gave her a 6-point lead. On average, over the last 4 weeks, she's had a lead of 4.8% (34.8% - 30.0%).

That doesn't mean much. If I remember correctly, Gordon Brown was ahead on that particular question despite being behind in the polls. Whether it's because Britons are naturally opposed to change or whether it's because most people think 'better the devil you know', I have no idea, but the incumbent PM has a massive advantage when it comes to 'preferred Prime Minister'.

There's been shocking insinuations that his "advice" on the matter was an effort to ingratiate himself with a view to landing a cushy middle eastern affairs job in the event of a Trump government. Tony would never sell out his core principles in such a...pffff, sorry couldn't keep a straight face.

If everyone had known at the time that a Trump victory would potentially give Blair a greater role in the Middle East, Hillary would have no doubt won in a landslide.

I think that if you went around the US telling people that, the general responses would be "Tony who?" and "Get off mah property!"