UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Souseiseki]

Let us briefly contend that there is a pro-women bias in discussion of social issues

Begging the question. Modern culture is virulently anti-woman in that most women want a stable marriage and children, something that feminism denies them. Ostroeuropa is anti-woman because he is a radical feminist.

one day i'm going to print this out and frame it

[Questers]

Its not untrue.

Men also want children and a stable marriage though and women also want careers.

And ostro is a radfem. He’s only different because hr wants radfem for men too

[Ostroeuropa]

Begging the question. Modern culture is virulently anti-woman in that most women want a stable marriage and children, something that feminism denies them. Ostroeuropa is anti-woman because he is a radical feminist.

one day i'm going to print this out and frame it

It's fuckin' perfect.

Its not untrue.

Men also want children and a stable marriage though and women also want careers.

And ostro is a radfem. He’s only different because hr wants radfem for men too

I explicitly reject patriarchy theory and think it's the biggest pile of bollocks in history for explaining why sexism is a thing, and is in fact detrimental. I reject the fundamental tenets of radical feminism and consider their impact to be misandrist.

Some people might up and decide to call me a feminist because they believe all western morality is derived from the ten commandments and you can't be good without being christian, but radical feminist is definitely a non-starter.

Your point about men+children/women+careers is on point, at least.
"Ostro is one of those people who thinks Jewish Usury causes poverty, he just wants anti-semitism for jews too." absolutely incoherent, much like "Radfem for men."

If you mean radical as in extremist, I don't see how. It's a binary state kind of thing. You're either an egalitarian or you're not. There's varying extremes of sexism and racism in society, but only one state of being egalitarian. I, and everyone else above the age of 2, probably isn't in that one state of egalitarian, and are varying levels of extreme on sexism and racism.

I'd argue i'm one of the least extremist people around, when you bare that in mind. Compare to the british institutions like the BBC, which are very extremist in terms of misandry and often racism. It's like looking at a car and saying it's "Extremely parked."
The fuck does that mean?

It can be moving at extreme speeds, but stillness is just stillness. Only racism/sexism and such on the egalitarianism axis can qualify as extreme, imo, much like "Extreme speeds." as opposed to "Extremely motionless."

[Taihei Tengoku]

Anecdotally HMS Barham is correct--trawl a dating site or The Tind and men will give you dick pics while the stated preference of women is "no games" or "not into one-night stands."

[Ostroeuropa]

Anecdotally HMS Barham is correct--trawl a dating site or The Tind and men will give you dick pics while the stated preference of women is "no games" or "not into one-night stands."

Men have sex they don't want as a result of stereotypes and social pressures and the urge to live up to them, according to studies.
So they don't want to send dick pics, or 40% of them at least of them.

https://ladyfreethinker.org/dev/study-4 ... xual-acts/

Incidentally, searching for an unwanted sex study turns up mostly studies on women raping men, which is pretty sad that the two terms are conflated.

[Souseiseki]

Men have sex they don't want as a result of stereotypes and social pressures and the urge to live up to them, according to studies.
So they don't want to send dick pics, or 40% of them at least of them.

i don't think the data you gave can be extrapolated to such a conclusion.

[Ifreann]

Tories defeat themselves in Brexit vote.

BRAVELY FENDING off their sworn enemies, the democracy hating Tories have vanquished their sternest foe, democracy hating Tories, by democratically voting to ensure the final Brexit deal between Britain and the EU must be voted on and approved by parliament.

Strong and stable like you can't even comprehend.

[Questers]

Anecdotally HMS Barham is correct--trawl a dating site or The Tind and men will give you dick pics while the stated preference of women is "no games" or "not into one-night stands."

Men have sex they don't want as a result of stereotypes and social pressures and the urge to live up to them, according to studies.
So they don't want to send dick pics, or 40% of them at least of them.

https://ladyfreethinker.org/dev/study-4 ... xual-acts/

errrrrr

[Ostroeuropa]

Men have sex they don't want as a result of stereotypes and social pressures and the urge to live up to them, according to studies.
So they don't want to send dick pics, or 40% of them at least of them.

i don't think the data you gave can be extrapolated to such a conclusion.

Mehhh, i'm feeling lazy. (Not sure come to think of it if that one is the study about men having sex they don't want to live up to gender roles, it might be a rape study.)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... d-sex.html
S'this one.

While another described that men can't say no to women if she shows any interest.

Marital rape springs to mind. A decent example of misandrist culture in society.

Tories defeat themselves in Brexit vote.

BRAVELY FENDING off their sworn enemies, the democracy hating Tories have vanquished their sternest foe, democracy hating Tories, by democratically voting to ensure the final Brexit deal between Britain and the EU must be voted on and approved by parliament.

Strong and stable like you can't even comprehend.

Normally i'd say a brexit vote doesn't reflect on the current leadership, since it's a notorious issue for rebellions and may have happened under any leader, but losing by a mere 4 votes does kind of give the impression that if there was a better leadership or more competent negotiation, they might have swung it.

I'm calling it btw.
There are gonna be a dozen tory factions spending their time/energy preparing for a leadership run, and none of them will prepare for the election.

None will launch the coup because it would cost them in the subsequent leadership bid.

So May will make it to election day, and they'll run around like a bunch of headless chickens wondering why none of their colleagues got rid of her. Most of their research will be about their competitor tories, and they'll rely on just going "SOCIALISM!" at Corbyn to win.

[The Blaatschapen]

https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status ... 9772718080

Guess who has been a politician since last millennium?

[Val Halla]

Britain first got arrested again

[Alvecia]

Britain first got arrested again

All of them? That's quite the operation

[Ostroeuropa]

Britain first got arrested again

All of them? That's quite the operation

Who do we give the medal to?

[Alvecia]

All of them? That's quite the operation

Who do we give the medal to?

The Belfast police force it would seem

[Ifreann]

i don't think the data you gave can be extrapolated to such a conclusion.

Mehhh, i'm feeling lazy. (Not sure come to think of it if that one is the study about men having sex they don't want to live up to gender roles, it might be a rape study.)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/artic ... d-sex.html
S'this one.

While another described that men can't say no to women if she shows any interest.

Marital rape springs to mind. A decent example of misandrist culture in society.

I don't think we can attribute the sending of unsolicited dick pics to misandrist culture in society.

Tories defeat themselves in Brexit vote.

Strong and stable like you can't even comprehend.

Normally i'd say a brexit vote doesn't reflect on the current leadership, since it's a notorious issue for rebellions and may have happened under any leader, but losing by a mere 4 votes does kind of give the impression that if there was a better leadership or more competent negotiation, they might have swung it.

I'm calling it btw.
There are gonna be a dozen tory factions spending their time/energy preparing for a leadership run, and none of them will prepare for the election.

None will launch the coup because it would cost them in the subsequent leadership bid.

So May will make it to election day, and they'll run around like a bunch of headless chickens wondering why none of their colleagues got rid of her. Most of their research will be about their competitor tories, and they'll rely on just going "SOCIALISM!" at Corbyn to win.

Maybe the Tories will break up into a bunch of splinter groups. The Real Tory Party, the Provisional Tory Party, the Continuity Tory Party, and the Boris Johnson Three Ring Circus.

[Ostroeuropa]

Who do we give the medal to?

The Belfast police force it would seem

The charges seem ridiculous to me.

They aren't incitement to violence.
It's "Behavior intended or likely to stir up hatred." Authoritarian progressive bullshit that will never be evenly applied. If that's the worst they've got them on, they are political prisoners.

You don't have to like them to notice that.
Britain First should have been disbanded over the charity fraud they pulled, but I still think this arrest is a sign of the creeping authoritarianism on the left wing.

S'fine though. Leave it in place. I'm going into politics and can keep my mouth shut a while.
Give me that rod, and start wondering how i'd wield it. If I get that far, I promise to repeal it once I'm done.

[Ifreann]

Who do we give the medal to?

The Belfast police force it would seem

Police Service of Norn Iron. So named because if they were the Norn Iron Police Service there'd be far too many jokes about getting caught by the NIPS.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Britain first got arrested again

Prison Thirst?

[Ostroeuropa]

I mean christ, i've pointed out the BBC's shenanigans.
Just arrest the lot and throw them in prison.
Go through the universities and grab a bunch of professors.
Lots of feminist organizations.

Most imams, a substantial number of priests, the entire daily mail, anyone who waffles about "scroungers"...

We'd need to start a new war and annex some land to ship them off too there'd be so many.

Britain first being arrested on these charges merely fuels the far-right by giving them more fuel to correctly point out government bias in favor of immigrants and muslims, women too, against the native population and men.

It might be slightly less bullshit if it was just "Intended to stir up hatred" and you could nail them on that with quotes saying "This'll make everyone hate muslims", but there's the "Or Likely to stir up hatred" in there.

So what.
A bunch of armed thugs turning up to threaten brock turner with death isn't hatred?
Then why don't we arrest journalists?

It amounts to allowing the established institutions to use tactics that the general populace can't, and is a power grab by those institutions under the guise of moral guardianship that progressivism gives them the excuse to claim. It allows them to frame discussions in purely hateful terms and then cry and say to the police "He *sniff* he's stirring up hatred *sniff sniff* wahhh." when someone directly opposes their claims in the same way.

It's the criminalization of opposition from the grassroots.

[The Blaatschapen]

The Belfast police force it would seem

The charges seem ridiculous to me.

They aren't incitement to violence.
It's "Behavior intended or likely to stir up hatred." Authoritarian progressive bullshit that will never be evenly applied. If that's the worst they've got them on, they are political prisoners.

You don't have to like them to notice that.
Britain First should have been disbanded over the charity fraud they pulled, but I still think this arrest is a sign of the creeping authoritarianism on the left wing.

S'fine though. Leave it in place. I'm going into politics and can keep my mouth shut a while.
Give me that rod, and start wondering how i'd wield it. If I get that far, I promise to repeal it once I'm done.

If "Behavior intended or likely to stir up hatred" is a crime, shouldn't the Belfast police not round up the orange marchers?

[Ostroeuropa]

The charges seem ridiculous to me.

They aren't incitement to violence.
It's "Behavior intended or likely to stir up hatred." Authoritarian progressive bullshit that will never be evenly applied. If that's the worst they've got them on, they are political prisoners.

You don't have to like them to notice that.
Britain First should have been disbanded over the charity fraud they pulled, but I still think this arrest is a sign of the creeping authoritarianism on the left wing.

S'fine though. Leave it in place. I'm going into politics and can keep my mouth shut a while.
Give me that rod, and start wondering how i'd wield it. If I get that far, I promise to repeal it once I'm done.

If "Behavior intended or likely to stir up hatred" is a crime, shouldn't the Belfast police not round up the orange marchers?

Exactly mate.
It's not applied evenly. It's a ridiculous set of charges, and the fact it's a law is a damning fact about how badly our standards have slipped thanks to moral panics from the progressive left and islamophiles.

[Souseiseki]

the right-wing are accomplices to these moral panics and bad laws. blaming them on the left is reductionist.

[Dumb Ideologies]

The Belfast police force it would seem

The charges seem ridiculous to me.

They aren't incitement to violence.
It's "Behavior intended or likely to stir up hatred." Authoritarian progressive bullshit that will never be evenly applied. If that's the worst they've got them on, they are political prisoners.

You don't have to like them to notice that.
Britain First should have been disbanded over the charity fraud they pulled, but I still think this arrest is a sign of the creeping authoritarianism on the left wing.

S'fine though. Leave it in place. I'm going into politics and can keep my mouth shut a while.
Give me that rod, and start wondering how i'd wield it. If I get that far, I promise to repeal it once I'm done.

Have a vote. You've been good this year.

[Ostroeuropa]

the right-wing are accomplices to these moral panics and bad laws. blaming them on the left is reductionist.

It's more noteworthy when coppers start wearing balaclavas and breaking into houses, and one of them saying about how i'm being unfair to cops for noticing it doesn't change that.

The right is always a shambles, it's been the lefts job to reign them in since practically forever.

It's not "Reductionist" to blame the fact everyones house is being robbed on the coppers going rogue, just like it's not reductionist to blame our rapid decline on the left losing its marbles.

The reason we're in this mess is that now there's nobody reigning it in, and the people supposed to be doing it are making it worse. Yes, it's the lefts fault.

[Souseiseki]

sounds like the racism of low expectations to me...

i'll admit it's the left's fault in so that the left have become the right