UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[The Blaatschapen]

Snow a benefit?

How?


Oh wait.... Snow is white.

It’s right there in the name.
Red, white, and blue Brexit.

White from the snow, bruised blue from the falls people make, red from the blood of a particularly nasty fall.

[Ifreann]

Snow a benefit?

How?


Oh wait.... Snow is white.

It’s right there in the name.
Red, white, and blue Brexit.

The rain of blood and inoffensive blue liquid are expected to be less disruptive than the snow.

[Alvecia]

It’s right there in the name.
Red, white, and blue Brexit.

The rain of blood and inoffensive blue liquid are expected to be less disruptive than the snow.

With any luck, the blood should help the snow melt.

[Ifreann]

The rain of blood and inoffensive blue liquid are expected to be less disruptive than the snow.

With any luck, the blood should help the snow melt.

Just don't eat the pink snow.

[Ostroeuropa]

BBC did a documentary on male rape (!)

Only talked about male on male rape.

Stay classy, misandrist shithole.

For added disgust and irony, note the title;

Male Rape: Breaking the Silence

[Souseiseki]

BBC did a documentary on male rape (!)

Only talked about male on male rape.

Stay classy, misandrist shithole.

For added disgust and irony, note the title;

Male Rape: Breaking the Silence

britain and its major institutions exist in some weird paradoxial state where they are both incredibly up their own arses about how progressive and liberal they are and horrifically regressive in areas that haven't already become the hip thing. does my head in.

[Ostroeuropa]

BBC did a documentary on male rape (!)

Only talked about male on male rape.

Stay classy, misandrist shithole.

For added disgust and irony, note the title;

britain and its major institutions exist in some weird paradoxial state where they are both incredibly up their own arses about how progressive and liberal they are and horrifically regressive in areas that haven't already become the hip thing. does my head in.

The difference here is that the "Hip thing" being feminism actively prevents progress on this front. Not many other platforms actively prevent other things becoming "Hip."

Gay marriage doesn't tend to mean that you have to be vitriolic and hostile to drug legalization, or transpersons.

They routinely vilify and demonize mens advocates, and that prevents them from ever becoming a hip thing in their circles. It's a reason they may have to simply be purged and replaced.

[Vassenor]

So how does talking about male-on-male rape suddenly make female-on-male rape not exist?

[Ostroeuropa]

So how does talking about male-on-male rape suddenly make female-on-male rape not exist?

The documentary talks about "Male rape victims" as though it's covering the whole topic. The documentary isn't about male-on-male rape explicitly.
It claims to be about male rape victims, centered on them, rather than perpetrators.

Then it just ignores female-on-male rape.

This is also the thing a lot of feminist campaigns do when talking about domestic violence and rape, and that badly undermines their claim that it's merely "Focusing on women." and that's "Okay."
No, you're misrepresenting issues and erasing male victims.

See the articles on MeToo and such.

The BBC originally aired an article championing the women of MeToo, until it had to backpeddle after it got targetted by MRAs and edit it to mention the men who came forward.

But they can't just up and edit a documentary. Doubt they'll pull it for gross inaccuracy either. It's so routine it does my head in too. Anything they can't edit after being called out on it will routinely be sexist as fuck, and that's most of their content.
Online articles sometimes get edited, where there's a spike of criticism. But they never change their behavior, so I think it's insincere and mere face saving.

Articles don't come out devoid of misandry, they only get edited to that state when it becomes the major new topic of conversation by critics.

[The Blaatschapen]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/10/snowflake ... t-7146914/

A bunch of snowflakes forced them to cancel the rally

[The Huskar Social Union]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/10/snowflakes-force-britain-first-to-cancel-their-rally-in-belfast-7146914/

A bunch of snowflakes forced them to cancel the rally

Hahahaha

[The Blaatschapen]

http://metro.co.uk/2017/12/10/snowflakes-force-britain-first-to-cancel-their-rally-in-belfast-7146914/

A bunch of snowflakes forced them to cancel the rally

Hahahaha

The streets were whiter than they could ever dream of.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Hahahaha

The streets were whiter than they could ever dream of.

Wrong kind of white though

[Anywhere Else But Here]

BBC did a documentary on male rape (!)

Only talked about male on male rape.

Stay classy, misandrist shithole.

For added disgust and irony, note the title;

Male Rape: Breaking the Silence

We must break the silence around the one kind of male rape that people aren't actually all that silent about!

Edit: Having watched the documentary, there is actually one case of female-on-male rape mentioned, at the anonymous meeting, and one mention of female-on-male domestic abuse. It's true, however, that none of the "main characters" were raped by women, and there were a whole host of male-male victims, which still gives the impression that female-on-male abuse is this weird, niche crime that doesn't even need to be properly discussed.

[Crysuko]

so one of my friends got drunk and founded an anarchist union with a bunch of others, citing he was sick of anarchists not organising outside the internet

[Hydesland]

BBC did a documentary on male rape (!)

Only talked about male on male rape.

Do you have stats on the prevalence of female on male rape compared to male on male rape?

[Questers]

is female on male rape even a thing

[Questers]

answer: no

however: yeah sometimes women can sexually assault men and get away with it and nobody cares ... and it's not like this doesn't happen in reverse either

[The Archregimancy]

is female on male rape even a thing

It is.

But could I perhaps gently caution against everyone turning this thread into a discussion of the mechanics and nature of male rape?

Unless it can be specifically tied to British politics, detailed discussion of the topic is likely best discussed in one of the separate recurring NSG threads on the subject.

[The Blaatschapen]

answer: no

however: yeah sometimes women can sexually assault men and get away with it and nobody cares ... and it's not like this doesn't happen in reverse either

Wait, what?

[Questers]

is female on male rape even a thing

It is.

But could I perhaps gently caution against everyone turning this thread into a discussion of the mechanics and nature of male rape?

Unless it can be specifically tied to British politics, detailed discussion of the topic is likely best discussed in one of the separate recurring NSG threads on the subject.

I think the context was a BBC documentary and how Ostro claims (maybe rightly) the British media establishment doesn't care at all about female on male rape. Whether it's worth caring about is sort of central to the question but if you think it's not relevant then I'll drop it. . .

[Ostroeuropa]

BBC did a documentary on male rape (!)

Only talked about male on male rape.

Do you have stats on the prevalence of female on male rape compared to male on male rape?

If you define it fairly instead of defining it as penetrating someone with a penis (UK definition) or penetration with something (Many countries), it's between 35% and 50% of all victims are male, with the vast majority of those (80%) being victims of female perpetrators, if you poll the population and look for rape survivors rather than rely on justice system statistics.

Gallo's gone over it in threads like this;
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=422054&hilit=gallo+unpopular

And there is the CDC study in the US which shows that once you add males "Forced to penetrate" women against their will to the numbers of rape victims, it equalizes.

One thing beyond dispute, when you include children, it equalizes to 50/50, with female perpetrators being the most common form of perpetrator against both adult and child males. (When only counting adults, it's between 35 and 50, dependent on which study you cite, as I said.)

https://www.theatlantic.com/science/arc ... or/503492/

“the form of nonconsensual sex that men are much more likely to experience in their lifetime ... 79.2% of victimized men reported female perpetrators.”

The UK's legal definition of rape means women are never counted as rapists under any circumstances, they commit sexual assault.
This has consequences beyond rape apology and dismissiveness of male victims, it is used to skew justice system stats which are then quoted to demand funding for women victims (While ignoring men), as well as causes newspapers to never call women rapists for fear of a "technically correct" libel case against them, hence the deluge of adult women teachers having "Love affairs" with male children.
All of this also perpetuates ignorance of the issue, and the impression it isn't as common as it actually is.

The women and equalities commission (Notably, those two things are separate... almost a freudian slip.) routinely hears "Evidence" of how rape is a "Womens issue" due to the legal definition being clearly sexist.

Things like the BBC documentary and routine propoganda about this issue stem in part from the skewed legal definition.

It's notable that the sexual offences act has been updated many times at the urging of feminist lobbyists, but this part of the act has never been challenged officially by anyone except MRAs.

(1) A person (A) commits an offence if—

(a) he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,

(b) B does not consent to the penetration, and

(c) A does not reasonably believe that B consents.

(2) Whether a belief is reasonable is to be determined having regard to all the circumstances, including any steps A has taken to ascertain whether B consents.

(3) Sections 75 and 76 apply to an offence under this section.

(4) A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable, on conviction on indictment, to imprisonment for life.

Much like Muslim terrorism being vastly overrepresented in the media compared to other demographics violent crimes, male-on-female rape is presented disproportionately, and a number of shenanigans are undergone in order to maintain the constant focus on male-on-female rape, definitional, judicial, etc, alongside the media constantly urging women to come forward and talk about it, which itself drives conversation of it. (Absent of men also being told to come forward.)

A number of bio-truthy rationalizations are pushed to explain why society seems to think it's so heavily male-on-female, but they ignore that by far and away the single most common response to being raped across both genders is the "Freeze" response, which mitigates physical strength. This was known by feminists when they pushed for "Affirmative consent.", which succeeded. (Rightly, albeit, presented as something "Women" do.)

Fact remains, it's a vicious cycle of overexposure in the media for male-on-female rape, definitional shenanigans, lack of anyone ACTUALLY representing equality listened to by the government (Since feminist organziations have routinely failed to demand an update to the law that would protect men, but have demanded updates to better protect women numerous times), and a number of other factors giving the public the impression rape is a male-on-female thing disproportionately.

Because of the legal definition, and the aforementioned vicious cycle, extreme caution and skepticism is needed when looking for rape stats. Most organizations accept them uncritically and waffle about how women are the vast majority of victims, but there's little evidence of that being true once you account for all these problems.

Worth noting, prison rape is also misrepresented. You are more likely to be raped by a female staff member of a prison than an inmate if you are male.
I'd wager this is because women in positions of power have never had to undergo the same kind of criticism and scrutiny of predatory behavior that men have.

80% of male adults who were raped by staff report female perpetrators, as well as 89% of male children, and in addition to that;

“The disproportionate abuse by female staff members does not occur because women are more often staffing facilities,” the authors write. “Men outnumber women by a ratio of three to one in positions requiring direct contact with inmates.”

Also, the lack of scrutiny of female predatory behavior victimizes women;

...while it is often assumed that inmate-on-inmate sexual assault comprises men victimizing men, the survey found that women state prisoners were more than three times as likely to experience sexual victimization perpetrated by women inmates (13.7 percent) than were men to be victimized by other male inmates (4.2 percent) (Beck et al., 2013).

This one is an outlier, but demonstrates how close the stats may be;

And “a 2012 study using data from the U. S. Census Bureau’s nationally representative National Epidemiologic Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions found in a sample of 43,000 adults little difference in the sex of self-reported sexual perpetrators. Of those who affirmed that they had ‘ever forced someone to have sex with you against their will,’ 43.6 percent were female and 56.4 percent were male.”

answer: no

however: yeah sometimes women can sexually assault men and get away with it and nobody cares ... and it's not like this doesn't happen in reverse either

Please, tell me how males being forced to have sex with women against their will aren't victims of rape. I'm listening.

[Salandriagado]

so one of my friends got drunk and founded an anarchist union with a bunch of others, citing he was sick of anarchists not organising outside the internet

I bolded the problem there.

[The Archregimancy]

It is.

But could I perhaps gently caution against everyone turning this thread into a discussion of the mechanics and nature of male rape?

Unless it can be specifically tied to British politics, detailed discussion of the topic is likely best discussed in one of the separate recurring NSG threads on the subject.

I think the context was a BBC documentary and how Ostro claims (maybe rightly) the British media establishment doesn't care at all about female on male rape. Whether it's worth caring about is sort of central to the question but if you think it's not relevant then I'll drop it. . .

It can be relevant. It just needs to be framed within the context of British politics - as it has been so far.

I'm just noting that if discussion devolves into a technical discussion of different types of rape with no particular direct relevance to British politics, then it likely belongs elsewhere.

Apologies if it looks like my previous post was directed towards you; that wasn't my intent. It was a general comment.

[Dumb Ideologies]

so one of my friends got drunk and founded an anarchist union with a bunch of others, citing he was sick of anarchists not organising outside the internet

I bolded the problem there.

Brevity!

"anarchists"

I extracted the single word that explains the whole problem.