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by Vassenor » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:22 am
by Dumb Ideologies » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:24 am
by Olerand » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:25 am
Hrythingia wrote:Olerand wrote:Weetabix is... cereal?
Oh Britain...
Though, if one thinks that the only good British PMs of the entire 20th and 21st centuries were Winston Churchill... And Margaret Thatcher then I guess no other opinion should be expected.
But they were. I mean they had faults but at least had a backbone and tried to put our country in the right direction. All the Labour PMs did was chuck the nation down the shitter. Deliberately and consistently. Heath was a treacherous bastard, Eden, MacMillan and Home seemed like decent chaps but didn’t really do much apart from cause greater ruin to our overseas reputation.
Eastfield Lodge wrote:Olerand wrote:And Theresa May will be their new ambassador? Is that a tradition in Britain? PMs becoming ambassadors for Weetabix? Or is that a dig at how irrelevant she is?
No, it's a jab at how former PMs and cabinet ministers take up well-paid consultancy roles after they leave office. In May's case, Weetabix is a jab at her naughtiest moment as a child being "running through fields of wheat" (which Weetabix are made of).
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:28 am
by Hrythingia » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:30 am
Vassenor wrote:Thatcher didn't throw the country down the toilet?
That'd be news to people in the mining areas.
by Olerand » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:31 am
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Them english are weird bais.
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by Shamhnan Insir » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:38 am
Darwinish Brentsylvania wrote:Shamhnan Insir started this wonderful tranquility, ALL PRAISE THE SHEPHERD KING
by Ifreann » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:39 am
Shamhnan Insir wrote:Do we have a policy on the whole US tariffs once we leave the EU?
by The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:39 am
Olerand wrote:The Huskar Social Union wrote:Them english are weird bais.
Bais: "a yellow mist occurring in eastern China and Japan during the spring and fall, caused by dust from the interior of China."
Ah. Yes, sure.
Britain has many odd little traditions here and there, left over from a time when the Queen's subjects were chattel or something. How am I to know what relationship retired prime ministers maintain with a cereal company.
by Olerand » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:40 am
Shamhnan Insir wrote:Do we have a policy on the whole US tariffs once we leave the EU?
The Huskar Social Union wrote:Olerand wrote:Bais: "a yellow mist occurring in eastern China and Japan during the spring and fall, caused by dust from the interior of China."
Ah. Yes, sure.
Britain has many odd little traditions here and there, left over from a time when the Queen's subjects were chattel or something. How am I to know what relationship retired prime ministers maintain with a cereal company.
No, not that kind of bais, bais as in them bais.
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:43 am
You know the baisOlerand wrote:Shamhnan Insir wrote:Do we have a policy on the whole US tariffs once we leave the EU?
The current tariffs apply to the EU. When the UK leaves, it is possible, though not likely, that Washington will not impose tariffs on Britain. In that case, no UK tariffs are needed.
Otherwise, if America does impose its own tariffs, the only reasonable thing to do would be for the UK to reciprocate.
Ultimately it comes down to the American administration.The Huskar Social Union wrote:No, not that kind of bais, bais as in them bais.
...
by Ifreann » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:44 am
The Huskar Social Union wrote:You know the baisOlerand wrote:The current tariffs apply to the EU. When the UK leaves, it is possible, though not likely, that Washington will not impose tariffs on Britain. In that case, no UK tariffs are needed.
Otherwise, if America does impose its own tariffs, the only reasonable thing to do would be for the UK to reciprocate.
Ultimately it comes down to the American administration.
...
by The Huskar Social Union » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:44 am
by Olerand » Fri Jun 22, 2018 5:46 am
The Huskar Social Union wrote:You know the baisOlerand wrote:The current tariffs apply to the EU. When the UK leaves, it is possible, though not likely, that Washington will not impose tariffs on Britain. In that case, no UK tariffs are needed.
Otherwise, if America does impose its own tariffs, the only reasonable thing to do would be for the UK to reciprocate.
Ultimately it comes down to the American administration.
...
Alright, ill stop yanking your chain, im poking fun at how western irish culchies say boy
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by Vassenor » Fri Jun 22, 2018 6:35 am
by Hrythingia » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:00 am
by Vassenor » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:05 am
Hrythingia wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Explain.
The social ‘reforms’ of labour, the decapitation our military and the premature destruction of the British family of nations. Also allowing in the huge quantities of overseas workers and then their families not to mention the foolish nationalisation of most of Britain. Their inability to deal with Ireland effectively and of course most recently a Labour Party which has betrayed its grassroots. I have no love for Labour but I’m not unsympathetic to the economic conditions that created it either. But now Labour isn’t about the patriotic working man in Stoke on Trent or Welsh Valleys where my ancestors hail from but they are now for the metropolitan creatures of the night who read the Guardian and only the good lord knows what else. They’re more interested in liberating all sorts of social depravities and becoming a European colony than stopping our jobs go abroad or addressing the issues which young lads in industrial wastelands face. And I’m not saying the Tories are much better, but at least they’re not entirely removed from their support base and generally don’t peddle out streams of sociological tripe.
by Olerand » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:08 am
Hrythingia wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Explain.
The social ‘reforms’ of labour, the decapitation our military and the premature destruction of the British family of nations. Also allowing in the huge quantities of overseas workers and then their families not to mention the foolish nationalisation of most of Britain. Their inability to deal with Ireland effectively and of course most recently a Labour Party which has betrayed its grassroots. I have no love for Labour but I’m not unsympathetic to the economic conditions that created it either. But now Labour isn’t about the patriotic working man in Stoke on Trent or Welsh Valleys where my ancestors hail from but they are now for the metropolitan creatures of the night who read the Guardian and only the good lord knows what else. They’re more interested in liberating all sorts of social depravities and becoming a European colony than stopping our jobs go abroad or addressing the issues which young lads in industrial wastelands face. And I’m not saying the Tories are much better, but at least they’re not entirely removed from their support base and generally don’t peddle out streams of sociological tripe.
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by Platypus Bureaucracy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:19 am
Hrythingia wrote:Vassenor wrote:
Explain.
The social ‘reforms’ of labour, the decapitation our military and the premature destruction of the British family of nations. Also allowing in the huge quantities of overseas workers and then their families not to mention the foolish nationalisation of most of Britain. Their inability to deal with Ireland effectively and of course most recently a Labour Party which has betrayed its grassroots. I have no love for Labour but I’m not unsympathetic to the economic conditions that created it either. But now Labour isn’t about the patriotic working man in Stoke on Trent or Welsh Valleys where my ancestors hail from but they are now for the metropolitan creatures of the night who read the Guardian and only the good lord knows what else. They’re more interested in liberating all sorts of social depravities and becoming a European colony than stopping our jobs go abroad or addressing the issues which young lads in industrial wastelands face. And I’m not saying the Tories are much better, but at least they’re not entirely removed from their support base and generally don’t peddle out streams of sociological tripe.
by Hrythingia » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:27 am
Vassenor wrote:Hrythingia wrote:The social ‘reforms’ of labour, the decapitation our military and the premature destruction of the British family of nations. Also allowing in the huge quantities of overseas workers and then their families not to mention the foolish nationalisation of most of Britain. Their inability to deal with Ireland effectively and of course most recently a Labour Party which has betrayed its grassroots. I have no love for Labour but I’m not unsympathetic to the economic conditions that created it either. But now Labour isn’t about the patriotic working man in Stoke on Trent or Welsh Valleys where my ancestors hail from but they are now for the metropolitan creatures of the night who read the Guardian and only the good lord knows what else. They’re more interested in liberating all sorts of social depravities and becoming a European colony than stopping our jobs go abroad or addressing the issues which young lads in industrial wastelands face. And I’m not saying the Tories are much better, but at least they’re not entirely removed from their support base and generally don’t peddle out streams of sociological tripe.
So the massive defence cuts in SDSR2010 were Labours fault?
Olerand wrote:Hrythingia wrote:The social ‘reforms’ of labour, the decapitation our military and the premature destruction of the British family of nations. Also allowing in the huge quantities of overseas workers and then their families not to mention the foolish nationalisation of most of Britain. Their inability to deal with Ireland effectively and of course most recently a Labour Party which has betrayed its grassroots. I have no love for Labour but I’m not unsympathetic to the economic conditions that created it either. But now Labour isn’t about the patriotic working man in Stoke on Trent or Welsh Valleys where my ancestors hail from but they are now for the metropolitan creatures of the night who read the Guardian and only the good lord knows what else. They’re more interested in liberating all sorts of social depravities and becoming a European colony than stopping our jobs go abroad or addressing the issues which young lads in industrial wastelands face. And I’m not saying the Tories are much better, but at least they’re not entirely removed from their support base and generally don’t peddle out streams of sociological tripe.
... A European colony. As if someone in Europe wants that, let alone that it is part of Labour, particularly Jeremy Corbyn's Labour's platform...
This phobia of the Continent in Britain is as funny but also... illogical as the American phobia of their own democratic State. It boggles the mind. We're not trying to colonize you. In fact, we don't want to.
by Olerand » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:30 am
Hrythingia wrote:Vassenor wrote:
So the massive defence cuts in SDSR2010 were Labours fault?
No, but previous acts of destruction were. ‘Twas the reason why the Falklands War was so embarrassing for Argentina as our military was almost on skeleton standing. Again, not that Maggie had done much to improve this but there was no money thanks to labour. I’m not a military nut who thinks we need 7 carriers and 11 tank divisions but we should have a reasonably sized military with the capability to independently carry out actions in our interests. This at the moment is not possible and the carrier gap that’s only recently been plugged (sort of) was all Labour’s doing.Olerand wrote:... A European colony. As if someone in Europe wants that, let alone that it is part of Labour, particularly Jeremy Corbyn's Labour's platform...
This phobia of the Continent in Britain is as funny but also... illogical as the American phobia of their own democratic State. It boggles the mind. We're not trying to colonize you. In fact, we don't want to.
Corbyn is refreshingly less Europhile than most of his party, though he still sold out in the Referendum. It’s not a phobia and it’s not illogical. Centuries of attempted and thankfully mostly failed invasions by European hegemonies are testament to this. As for the modern age, we’ve made our mark elsewhere. Why get into bed with people whom you share little culturally or constitutionally with when there’s a whole family of nations with varying degrees of direct British influence on their daily lives and legal/governmental establishment?
Free Rhenish States wrote:You're French, without faith, probably godless, liberal without any traditional values or respect for any faith whatsoever
by Vassenor » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:34 am
Hrythingia wrote:Vassenor wrote:
So the massive defence cuts in SDSR2010 were Labours fault?
No, but previous acts of destruction were. ‘Twas the reason why the Falklands War was so embarrassing for Argentina as our military was almost on skeleton standing. Again, not that Maggie had done much to improve this but there was no money thanks to labour. I’m not a military nut who thinks we need 7 carriers and 11 tank divisions but we should have a reasonably sized military with the capability to independently carry out actions in our interests. This at the moment is not possible and the carrier gap that’s only recently been plugged (sort of) was all Labour’s doing.Olerand wrote:... A European colony. As if someone in Europe wants that, let alone that it is part of Labour, particularly Jeremy Corbyn's Labour's platform...
This phobia of the Continent in Britain is as funny but also... illogical as the American phobia of their own democratic State. It boggles the mind. We're not trying to colonize you. In fact, we don't want to.
Corbyn is refreshingly less Europhile than most of his party, though he still sold out in the Referendum. It’s not a phobia and it’s not illogical. Centuries of attempted and thankfully mostly failed invasions by European hegemonies are testament to this. As for the modern age, we’ve made our mark elsewhere. Why get into bed with people whom you share little culturally or constitutionally with when there’s a whole family of nations with varying degrees of direct British influence on their daily lives and legal/governmental establishment?
by Platypus Bureaucracy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:35 am
Hrythingia wrote:Olerand wrote:... A European colony. As if someone in Europe wants that, let alone that it is part of Labour, particularly Jeremy Corbyn's Labour's platform...
This phobia of the Continent in Britain is as funny but also... illogical as the American phobia of their own democratic State. It boggles the mind. We're not trying to colonize you. In fact, we don't want to.
Corbyn is refreshingly less Europhile than most of his party, though he still sold out in the Referendum. It’s not a phobia and it’s not illogical. Centuries of attempted and thankfully mostly failed invasions by European hegemonies are testament to this. As for the modern age, we’ve made our mark elsewhere. Why get into bed with people whom you share little culturally or constitutionally with when there’s a whole family of nations with varying degrees of direct British influence on their daily lives and legal/governmental establishment?
by Hrythingia » Fri Jun 22, 2018 7:56 am
Olerand wrote:Hrythingia wrote:No, but previous acts of destruction were. ‘Twas the reason why the Falklands War was so embarrassing for Argentina as our military was almost on skeleton standing. Again, not that Maggie had done much to improve this but there was no money thanks to labour. I’m not a military nut who thinks we need 7 carriers and 11 tank divisions but we should have a reasonably sized military with the capability to independently carry out actions in our interests. This at the moment is not possible and the carrier gap that’s only recently been plugged (sort of) was all Labour’s doing.
Corbyn is refreshingly less Europhile than most of his party, though he still sold out in the Referendum. It’s not a phobia and it’s not illogical. Centuries of attempted and thankfully mostly failed invasions by European hegemonies are testament to this. As for the modern age, we’ve made our mark elsewhere. Why get into bed with people whom you share little culturally or constitutionally with when there’s a whole family of nations with varying degrees of direct British influence on their daily lives and legal/governmental establishment?
Napoléon is dead. This illogical phobia of dead men is... illogical.
This is the first case in history of colonization undertaken against the colonizer's wishes.
EDIT: Though to be clear, I could not be more supportive of Brexit. Britain's place has always been as an American Trojan horse, and it is finally time its bluff is called. Let America have you now.
Vassenor wrote:Hrythingia wrote:No, but previous acts of destruction were. ‘Twas the reason why the Falklands War was so embarrassing for Argentina as our military was almost on skeleton standing. Again, not that Maggie had done much to improve this but there was no money thanks to labour. I’m not a military nut who thinks we need 7 carriers and 11 tank divisions but we should have a reasonably sized military with the capability to independently carry out actions in our interests. This at the moment is not possible and the carrier gap that’s only recently been plugged (sort of) was all Labour’s doing.
Corbyn is refreshingly less Europhile than most of his party, though he still sold out in the Referendum. It’s not a phobia and it’s not illogical. Centuries of attempted and thankfully mostly failed invasions by European hegemonies are testament to this. As for the modern age, we’ve made our mark elsewhere. Why get into bed with people whom you share little culturally or constitutionally with when there’s a whole family of nations with varying degrees of direct British influence on their daily lives and legal/governmental establishment?
The Carrier Gap that was caused when the 2010 review accelerated the retirement of the Invincible class and the Harrier fleet?
Also haven't a load of the Commonwealth nations already told us we're not getting special treatment post-Brexit?
Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Hrythingia wrote:Corbyn is refreshingly less Europhile than most of his party, though he still sold out in the Referendum. It’s not a phobia and it’s not illogical. Centuries of attempted and thankfully mostly failed invasions by European hegemonies are testament to this. As for the modern age, we’ve made our mark elsewhere. Why get into bed with people whom you share little culturally or constitutionally with when there’s a whole family of nations with varying degrees of direct British influence on their daily lives and legal/governmental establishment?
Come now. Not counting tiddly little islands, there are, what, four nations that are maybe culturally closer to Britain than Western Europe? And one of them's the USA, which gets more scary and mental every day.
by Platypus Bureaucracy » Fri Jun 22, 2018 8:06 am
Hrythingia wrote:Platypus Bureaucracy wrote:Come now. Not counting tiddly little islands, there are, what, four nations that are maybe culturally closer to Britain than Western Europe? And one of them's the USA, which gets more scary and mental every day.
Culturally:
USA (sort of)
Australia
Canada
New Zealand
Falklands
Gibraltar
Sort of in this category go places like the Bahamas and much of the Caribbean. I for one also felt not entirely out of place in Hong Kong and not just because of the string expat community. Malaysia, Singapore, South Africa, Kenya, parts of India and Nigeria are very british both in physical vestiges and other factors such as understanding law and free trade.
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