UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Vassenor]

Also the Mail is back to screaming about how the Lords are trying to thwart Brexit (somehow) and how the whole house needs to be abolished.

One wonders what they're trying to distract attention away from.

[Trumptonium1]

Also the Mail is back to screaming about how the Lords are trying to thwart Brexit (somehow) and how the whole house needs to be abolished.

One wonders what they're trying to distract attention away from.

Ok ... and what are we meant to discuss here?

[Dumb Ideologies]

WHY DIDNT THIS BLIND MAN SEE THE FUCKING SIGN I HAD


ALSO ITS A GUIDE DOG YOU MORON

Plus, where the fuck else is he going to put it? Leave it outside and hope it doesn't run away?

If the sign hadn't run away when the doggo peed on it this whole sorry incident could have been avoided.

[Ostroeuropa]

The met just lost about 2 million pounds over being sued for anti-male discrimination against employees and losing.

Ms de Brunner became angry after seeing a police officer with just a towel around his waist in the office as he left the shower room, which was her 'pet hate'.

She suspended and put under investigation a high-ranking male in charge of the station for allowing it, but didn't do the same his female co-worker of the same rank.
(Because she blamed it on masculinity and macho culture and up and assumed the man in charge was at fault. This is your brain on misandrous feminism and patriarchy theory. Her impulsive assumption and prejudice led her to immediately wheel around and punish a man, because that's what feminism taught her to do. It's a hate movement.)

A hearing in 2016 was told that Deputy Assistant Commissioner Maxine de Brunner arrived at the unit in September 2014 where CI Denby, 47, was in charge, 'on a mission to drive out the macho culture'.

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Shortly after arriving she encountered an unnamed male colleague in the corridor wearing only a towel around his waist on his way to the locker room. Miss de Brunner was so incensed following the incident that Mr Denby feared he was going to be removed from his position.

(Underlined, this is your brain on gynocentric misandry and feminist prejudice.)

The tribunal found CI Denby was discriminated against over his gender when he was removed from his post in October 2014 and five restrictions were placed on him.

He was also not allowed to apply for promotion to superintendent.

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'In the absence of any explanation, direct sex discrimination occurred and decision-makers consciously or unconsciously, viewed the claimant as a man as part of the problem in a way in which they would not have viewed him had he been a woman'

so a straight up ruling that feminist double standards and gynocentrism are sexism and discrimination. With a large payout like this in times of austerity, hopefully they'll start cracking down on these people more in order to remain solvent.

( Alternative link to story so we don't get the hurr mail responses. pro-feminist papers aren't reporting the case.)

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/poli ... -0mw2q0cxg

[The Huskar Social Union]

Shes a moron.

[Ostroeuropa]

Shes a moron.

She's a feminist. Just like the feminist Saunders who managed to fuck up the justice department with due process problems, and the ones who managed to fuck up the prison system by inserting their prejudice there too in the judges handbook.

Simply calling her a moron doesn't acknowledge the uniting theme of these things.

Feminism is antithetical to a functioning justice system, because it isn't based on anything except gynocentrism and female supremacy. To put a feminist in these positions is to make a mistake. You wouldn't trust a klan member, you shouldn't trust a feminist. It's a difference of scale, not type. They've made the justice system even more discriminatory, and far less functional. This is an example of how the mindset is used to abuse and mistreat males, and how the feminist framework justifies that mistreatment in the mind of the adherent.

[The Huskar Social Union]

She's an arrogant moron

[Ostroeuropa]

She's an arrogant moron

Feminist theory fosters arrogance in my opinion, because to believe it it seems to me you have to be a dogmatist who refuses to consider evidence against the theory, it's like creationism in that respect.

Why are you unwilling to consider the worldview in play and insistent on ascribing her behavior to her personal traits? Isn't this just the "Lone wolf" canard? What aspect of her behavior here wasn't in line with patriarchy theories of sexism?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ive known plenty of feminists, some i call dear friends and they are not arrogant in the slightest. She is an arrogant sexist twat and moron, end of.

[Ostroeuropa]

Ive known plenty of feminists, some i call dear friends and they are not arrogant in the slightest. She is an arrogant sexist twat and moron, end of.

She suspended and put under investigation a high-ranking male in charge of the station for allowing it, but didn't do the same his female co-worker of the same rank.

(Because she blamed it on masculinity and macho culture and up and assumed the man in charge was at fault. This is your brain on misandrous feminism and patriarchy theory. Her impulsive assumption and prejudice led her to immediately wheel around and punish a man, because that's what feminism taught her to do with its insistence these things are caused by patriarchy.)

Another example of how incoherent and easily debunked feminist prejudices like patriarchy theory are;

There's plenty of women senators and MPs, and they are not any better on mens issues and passing or proposing laws/ammendments on them. Patriarchy theory is merely an expression of fragile femininity and some women being unable or unwilling to accept women can do wrong because their identity is bound up in the idea of ethical superiority to men -> ("Women can't rape/dv.") but writ large and on a collective scale. ("Women as a class can't oppress.").

It's the same fundamental dysfunction in both.

It's not idiocy or arrogance, its ideology informed by prejudice. Just like pretending all the people who believed in biological racism were idiots historically. Sociological sexism like feminism is a system of thought and prejudice, you don't have to be stupid to believe in it.

I don't much care if you know a couple of fascists in favor of pacifism, it's not the norm, and it's not how institutions run by fascism act.
Feminism in institutions has a clear tendency, and the type of feminism pushed in academia and the media has certain dogmas, just like fascism, and your personal relationships don't change that.

Why not try pointing out how her behavior wasn't in line with feminist theory?

[The Huskar Social Union]

Because she is a cunt.

And dont call people i know fascists wanting pacifism because you have a hard on for hating feminism and its wanker adherants.

[Ostroeuropa]

Because she is a cunt.

And dont call people i know fascists wanting pacifism because you have a hard on for hating feminism.

So you don't actually have an argument for why this sexist behavior of hers wasn't informed by mainstream feminist theories and are going to stick with your lone wolf canard rather than acknowledge the ideology in play, sort of like "There's no racism in the police force, just individual cops.".

Gotta say bud, if that's the kind of shit your feminist friends agree with, then ...

I'm sorry, but you're the one who brought them up. Are you reflective of their views?

Cos, see, it seems like just the denialist form of systemic sexism and an ideology of prejudice, rather than the active type of sexism. Not much better.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Because she is a cunt.

And dont call people i know fascists wanting pacifism because you have a hard on for hating feminism.

So you don't actually have an argument for why this sexist behavior of hers wasn't informed by mainstream feminist theories and are going to stick with your lone wolf canard rather than acknowledge the ideology in play, sort of like "There's no racism in the police force, just individual cops.".

Gotta say bud, if that's the kind of shit your feminist friends agree with, then...

I didnt say she was a lone wolf, i said she was a cunt, and there are cunts in the feminist movement (and if you looked at my post histroy you would know that ive called these fuckers out in the past). I still do not believe that feminism as a whole is full of cunts out to hate men, and my friends do not support this shit, and i never said they did, so cut the bullshit ostro and stop insinuating shit about people you know fuck all about.

[Ostroeuropa]

its wanker adherants.

"Imperialism and its wanker adherents."

Look at the system imposed in its name and stop believing the bombastic and arrogant PR claim that insists the virtue of that system and ideology, have sympathy for its victims, and stop being that one guy who stands up in an all india congress meeting to complain they're being mean to imperialists because it just means spreading civilization.

The equivalent of charities and human rights orgs up and deciding to call themselves imperialists rather than just get the fuck over it and realize "Spreading civilization" was always a lie. "Not all imperialists."

Imperialism. As in, the system.

[The Huskar Social Union]

its wanker adherants.

"Imperialism and its wanker adherents."

Look at the system imposed in its name and stop believing the bombastic and arrogant PR claim that insists the virtue of that system and ideology, have sympathy for its victims, and stop being that one guy who stands up in an all india congress meeting to complain they're being mean to imperialists because it just means spreading civilization.

Fuck off with this bullshit, actually fuck off. Because im not jumping up and down screaming about how all feminists hate men and want to make our lives shit you think you can compare me to an imperialist apologist? Or toa apologist for police brutality? And you think you can make snide comments about people you know fuck all about painting them as something they are not?

Dont fucking dare tar me with that bullshit again. I am really not in the mood for it todya.

[Ostroeuropa]

"Imperialism and its wanker adherents."

Look at the system imposed in its name and stop believing the bombastic and arrogant PR claim that insists the virtue of that system and ideology, have sympathy for its victims, and stop being that one guy who stands up in an all india congress meeting to complain they're being mean to imperialists because it just means spreading civilization.

Fuck off with this bullshit, actually fuck off. Because im not jumping up and down screaming about how all feminists hate men and want to make our lives shit you think you can compare me to an imperialist apologist? Or toa apologist for police brutality? And you think you can make snide comments about people you know fuck all about painting them as something they are not?

Dont fucking dare tar me with that bullshit again. I am really not in the mood for it todya.

You're ignoring my point. It doesn't have to be all feminists. I'm talking about feminism as a system imposed on people.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Fuck off with this bullshit, actually fuck off. Because im not jumping up and down screaming about how all feminists hate men and want to make our lives shit you think you can compare me to an imperialist apologist? Or toa apologist for police brutality? And you think you can make snide comments about people you know fuck all about painting them as something they are not?

Dont fucking dare tar me with that bullshit again. I am really not in the mood for it todya.

You're ignoring my point. It doesn't have to be all feminists. I'm talking about feminism as a system imposed on people.

I didnt ignore your point, i called her a moron, then a twat, because thats exactly what she is. Then you started insinuating shit about me and people i know because i mentioned they were feminists, so automatically in your mind they are equivalent to fascists, when you know fuck all about them. Drop your arrogance and dont do it again.

[Ostroeuropa]

You're ignoring my point. It doesn't have to be all feminists. I'm talking about feminism as a system imposed on people.

I didnt ignore your point, i called her a moron, then a twat, because thats exactly what she is. Then you started insinuating shit about me and people i know because i mentioned they were feminists, so automatically in your mind they are equivalent to fascists, when you know fuck all about them. Drop your arrogance and dont do it again.

Look. I'm pointing out you don't seem to be addressing the systemic problem here and the ideology that drove her to it, and appear to merely be writing her off as a twat, a moron, etc, rather than acknowledge the ideology and prejudices behind her actions and where they are sourced. I've seen plenty of people do this when feminists are criticized, and it seems, to me, akin to the people who just insist its lone cops acting racist rather than a systemic problem with racism in the police. You're the one who brought up your feminist friends. I pointed out what I see as a problem with what you're doing and pointed out if they're doing that kind of thing too, then they're also a problem. You could have corrected me and pointed out they disagree with you about it being just a twat etc, and would have talked about the systemic prejudice and bias in the feminist movement and how it furthers misandry and turns people into bigots, but I somehow doubt they'd do that.
(Systemic prejudice and bias in the police department and how it furthers racism and turns people into bigots.)

You've got some cops who are friends of yours and they aren't racists, but they're also adamant that there's no systemic problem?
Or do they disagree with you? I don't think that's possible, because you brought them up as a rebuttal.

If they don't fall into this trap, then say so. You're the one who brought them up as an argument and now you're getting irate and angry when I'm probing that point for further details and pointing out the potential problems of it. What am I supposed to do? Just let you get away with pulling that shit without comment?

No sorry, that's not how arguments work. You brought them into this, so let's discuss them and what APPEARS (If they're in alignment with you) to be wrong with their argument, or you can drop the point.

I'm not insinuating it, i'm pointing out how it seems.

I'm not being arrogant. I'm merely making an argument.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ive been dealing with some personal shit lately and i lashed out at you for no justified reason because i was in an agitated state, and for that im sorry if you will accept it, you didnt deserve it and i feel like a complete cunt for doing it to you over something like this, because i didnt want to get a political argument at this time, and i went about it completely wrongly.

I am not saying there is no systematic problem with aspects of feminism, or that she is an adherent to that bullshit, i just called her a moron because i didnt want to get involved in this kind of thing right now at this time, and i reacted very very poorly and wrongly to your reply and took it differently than it was intended. The friends i mentioned share incredibly similar views to me on the matter, in fact i actually got into an argument with one over an issue like this a while back and she swayed towards my direction about some of the shit feminists come off with and agreed with me in the end. My other feminist friends have always been opposed to this kind of shit, i guess being from Northern Ireland which has a massive history of sectarianism and bigotry makes people more identifiable of it and thus more hostile. I still do not agree with you that feminism as a whole is hostile against men or completely responsible for bullshit men face, but i know aspects of it are, and that this woman in question is an example of that.

[Ostroeuropa]

Ive been dealing with some personal shit lately and i lashed out at you for no justified reason because i was in an agitated state, and for that im sorry if you will accept it, you didnt deserve it and i feel like a complete cunt for doing it to you over something like this, because i didnt want to get a political argument at this time, and i went about it completely wrongly.

I am not saying there is no systematic problem with aspects of feminism, or that she is an adherent to that bullshit, i just called her a moron because i didnt want to get involved in this kind of thing right now at this time, and i reacted very very poorly and wrongly to your reply and took it differently than it was intended. The friends i mentioned share incredibly similar views to me on the matter, in fact i actually got into an argument with one over an issue like this a while back and she swayed towards my direction about some of the shit feminists come off with and agreed with me in the end. My other feminist friends have always been opposed to this kind of shit, i guess being from Northern Ireland which has a massive history of sectarianism and bigotry makes people more identifiable of it and thus more hostile. I still do not agree with you that feminism as a whole is hostile against men or completely responsible for bullshit men face, but i know aspects of it are, and that this woman in question is an example of that.

1. Dude i'm an abrasive asshole, I have it coming sometimes, i'll chalk this one up to some past incident. It's cool. You doing alright?

2. Okay. Your point about northern Ireland is pretty interesting.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Ive been dealing with some personal shit lately and i lashed out at you for no justified reason because i was in an agitated state, and for that im sorry if you will accept it, you didnt deserve it and i feel like a complete cunt for doing it to you over something like this, because i didnt want to get a political argument at this time, and i went about it completely wrongly.

I am not saying there is no systematic problem with aspects of feminism, or that she is an adherent to that bullshit, i just called her a moron because i didnt want to get involved in this kind of thing right now at this time, and i reacted very very poorly and wrongly to your reply and took it differently than it was intended. The friends i mentioned share incredibly similar views to me on the matter, in fact i actually got into an argument with one over an issue like this a while back and she swayed towards my direction about some of the shit feminists come off with and agreed with me in the end. My other feminist friends have always been opposed to this kind of shit, i guess being from Northern Ireland which has a massive history of sectarianism and bigotry makes people more identifiable of it and thus more hostile. I still do not agree with you that feminism as a whole is hostile against men or completely responsible for bullshit men face, but i know aspects of it are, and that this woman in question is an example of that.

1. Dude i'm an abrasive asshole, I have it coming sometimes, i'll chalk this one up to some past incident. It's cool. You doing alright?

2. Okay. Your point about northern Ireland is pretty interesting.

Yeah just been dealing with a lot of shit over the last 6-7 months which in general have not been great for me, now im in the final stages of a long long drawn out house moving which has been difficult for my family. Its getting better though, should be settled by the end of the week, and then with my weight loss ive been feeling better about the other personal problems ive been dealing with and ill start facing them more when the house is done with.

[Ostroeuropa]

1. Dude i'm an abrasive asshole, I have it coming sometimes, i'll chalk this one up to some past incident. It's cool. You doing alright?

2. Okay. Your point about northern Ireland is pretty interesting.

Yeah just been dealing with a lot of shit over the last 6-7 months which in general have not been great for me, now im in the final stages of a long long drawn out house moving which has been difficult for my family.

Moving house sucks, especially amid stress. Been through something similar lately, but my stress was tied geographically to my old house in some ways so moving was an escape. If it's a forced move then that sucks even more. Good luck with it dude.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Yeah just been dealing with a lot of shit over the last 6-7 months which in general have not been great for me, now im in the final stages of a long long drawn out house moving which has been difficult for my family.

Moving house sucks, especially amid stress. Been through something similar lately, but my stress was tied geographically to my old house in some ways so moving was an escape. If it's a forced move then that sucks even more. Good luck with it dude.

Thank you.

[Ifreann]

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/shop-owner-told-blind-man-13429980

But Mr North told the Daily Post: “He (Mr Terry) had no right coming in to my store with his dog.

“He should have asked me or my wife for help finding what he wanted because, as a blind man, he is incapable of doing it for himself.

“Dogs can’t talk. The dog could not have told him where he can find certain products, so there is no need for the dog to be in my shop.

“I have a big sign at the front of the shop which says we do not allow any dogs under any circumstances."

THEY'RE GOOD DOGS, MR NERTH

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WHY DIDNT THIS BLIND MAN SEE THE FUCKING SIGN I HAD


ALSO ITS A GUIDE DOG YOU MORON

Plus, where the fuck else is he going to put it? Leave it outside and hope it doesn't run away?

A guide dog probably wouldn't run away.

[The Huskar Social Union]

what a train wreck

"We're here to talk about shit in NI, and have you read this thing, this very important thing for NI that ties into what we are discussing?"

"Un...No"

"..."