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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue May 22, 2018 10:36 am

Anderhold wrote:I'm sure this has already been discussed but I heard news of a general election being called this Autumn? Personally love campaigning in Autumn but what do you guys think? May isn't stupid enough to do it twice, is she?


Boris has stated categorically that there will be no Autumn snap election.



So I'll see you at the hustings in September.

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Postby Souseiseki » Tue May 22, 2018 10:45 am

another election would be hilarious because it would really drive in the general chaos that we've been going through these past years
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue May 22, 2018 10:55 am

Souseiseki wrote:another election would be hilarious because it would really drive in the general chaos that we've been going through these past years

STRONG

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Postby Dooom35796821595 » Tue May 22, 2018 10:56 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:another election would be hilarious because it would really drive in the general chaos that we've been going through these past years

STRONG

AND

STABLE


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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue May 22, 2018 11:08 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:another election would be hilarious because it would really drive in the general chaos that we've been going through these past years

STRONG

AND

STABLE


She called the snap election because the longer her governance goes on, the more ridiculous this phrase looks. She had to use the window of opportunity when people associated her with a firm hand at the home office to benefit from it.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Tue May 22, 2018 11:41 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
The Huskar Social Union wrote:STRONG

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STABLE


She called the snap election because the longer her governance goes on, the more ridiculous this phrase looks. She had to use the window of opportunity when people associated her with a firm hand at the home office to benefit from it.

And she then proceeded to lose that immediately
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Tue May 22, 2018 12:04 pm

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
She called the snap election because the longer her governance goes on, the more ridiculous this phrase looks. She had to use the window of opportunity when people associated her with a firm hand at the home office to benefit from it.

And she then proceeded to lose that immediately


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Postby Freezic Vast » Tue May 22, 2018 12:58 pm

If another election happened she'd be the worst Tory PM since Major and would easily give Corbyn the keys to No. 10, there will not be another election until 2020 at the earliest I bet.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue May 22, 2018 1:00 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:If another election happened she'd be the worst Tory PM since Major and would easily give Corbyn the keys to No. 10, there will not be another election until 2020 at the earliest I bet.

literally all you're saying is that she'd be worse than Cameron

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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Tue May 22, 2018 1:00 pm

Pretty sure the Foreign Secretary doesn't get to say when elections happen.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 22, 2018 1:01 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:If another election happened she'd be the worst Tory PM since Major and would easily give Corbyn the keys to No. 10, there will not be another election until 2020 at the earliest I bet.

I dont see where Labor can gain enough seats to form a majority government.

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Postby Freezic Vast » Tue May 22, 2018 1:14 pm

San Lumen wrote:I dont see where Labor can gain enough seats to form a majority government.

There are a number of seats I feel they could win against the Tories and the SNP to get close to a majority.
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Postby San Lumen » Tue May 22, 2018 1:16 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:
San Lumen wrote:I dont see where Labor can gain enough seats to form a majority government.

There are a number of seats I feel they could win against the Tories and the SNP to get close to a majority.

Where are those seats?

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Postby Freezic Vast » Tue May 22, 2018 1:25 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:There are a number of seats I feel they could win against the Tories and the SNP to get close to a majority.

Where are those seats?

Con to Lab: Aberconwy, Blackpool North and Cleveleys, Bolton West, Broxtowe, Calder Valley, Camborne and Redruth, Carlisle, Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire, Chingford and Woodford Green, Chipping Barnet, Cities of London and Westminster, Clwyd West, Copeland, Corby, Crawley, East Worthing and Shoreham, Erewash, Filton and Bradley Stoke, Finchley and Golders Green, Harrow East, Hastings and Rye, Hendon, Loughborough, Mansfield, Middlesbrough South and East Cleveland, Milton Keynes North, Milton Keynes South, Morecambe and Lunesdale, Morley and Outwood, North East Derbyshire, Northampton North, Northampton South, Norwich North, Pendle, Preseli Pembrokeshire, Pudsey, Putney, Reading West, Rossendale and Darwen, Scarborough and Whitby, Sherwood, Shipley, South Swindon, Southampton Itchen, Southport, Stevenage, Stoke-on-Trent South, Telford, Thurrock, Truro and Falmouth, Vale of Glamorgan, Walsall North, Watford, Worcester (54 seats)

SNP to Lab: Airdrie and Shotts, Cumbernauld, Kilsyth and Kirkintilloch East, Dunfermline and West Fife, East Kilbride, Strathaven and Lesmahagow, Edinburgh East, Edinburgh North and Leith, Edinburgh South West, Falkirk, Glasgow Central, Glasgow East, Glasgow North, Glasgow North West, Glasgow South, Glasgow South West, Glenrothes, Inverclyde, Lanark and Hamilton East, Linlithgow and East Falkirk, Livingston, Motherwell and Wishaw,, Na h-Eileanan an Iar, Paisley and Renfrewshire North, Paisley and Renfrewshire South, West Dunbartonshire (24 seats)

If Labour manages to hold all of their seats and gain the 78 seats mentioned above, they will have 340, giving them a majority of 30 (Sinn Fein deductions notwithstanding)
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue May 22, 2018 1:31 pm

San Lumen wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:There are a number of seats I feel they could win against the Tories and the SNP to get close to a majority.

Where are those seats?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_United_Kingdom_general_election,_2017,_by_parliamentary_constituency#Results_by_parliamentary_constituency

I dunno what you'd want to define as a marginal, but just of the seats where Labour is less than 1k votes behind:
Aberconwy
Airdrie and Shotts
Arfon
Bolton West
Broxtowe
Calder Valley
Chipping Barnet
Dunfermline and West Fife
Glasgow East
Glasgow South West
Hastings and Rye
Inverclyde
Lanark and Hamilton East
Motherwell and Wishaw
North East Fife
Northampton North
Norwich North
Preseli Pembrokeshire
Pudsey
Richmond Park
Southampton Itchen
Stoke-on-Trent South
Telford
Thurrock

That alone is 24 seats, and there are plenty more that are definitely winnable.

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Postby Hydesland » Tue May 22, 2018 4:05 pm

Freezic Vast wrote:If another election happened she'd be the worst Tory PM since Major and would easily give Corbyn the keys to No. 10, there will not be another election until 2020 at the earliest I bet.


Why easily? The polling says otherwise - which is a bit embarrassing for labour.

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Postby Freezic Vast » Tue May 22, 2018 4:22 pm

Hydesland wrote:
Freezic Vast wrote:If another election happened she'd be the worst Tory PM since Major and would easily give Corbyn the keys to No. 10, there will not be another election until 2020 at the earliest I bet.


Why easily? The polling says otherwise - which is a bit embarrassing for labour.

Remember her terrible campaign and manifesto? If another election is anything like what the previous one was like, she could lose. Also, polling is not that accurate, the Tories thought they'd win with a majority of over 100 because of the polls, and they lost their majority.
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Postby Trumptonium1 » Tue May 22, 2018 5:32 pm

The absolute state of Britain today..

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2018/ ... uity-house

On the other hand with divorces heading to outstrip marriages and the utter unfairness in the judicial system regarding the treatment of males I do not at all blame this guy for telling his girlfriend to pay rent. On the other hand he's going to end up single.

There's zero security for either side, and both sides have the government - and society - to blame.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Tue May 22, 2018 8:05 pm

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wale ... n-13429980

But Mr North told the Daily Post: “He (Mr Terry) had no right coming in to my store with his dog.

“He should have asked me or my wife for help finding what he wanted because, as a blind man, he is incapable of doing it for himself.

“Dogs can’t talk. The dog could not have told him where he can find certain products, so there is no need for the dog to be in my shop.

I have a big sign at the front of the shop which says we do not allow any dogs under any circumstances."

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Postby Vassenor » Wed May 23, 2018 12:17 am

Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/shop-owner-told-blind-man-13429980

But Mr North told the Daily Post: “He (Mr Terry) had no right coming in to my store with his dog.

“He should have asked me or my wife for help finding what he wanted because, as a blind man, he is incapable of doing it for himself.

“Dogs can’t talk. The dog could not have told him where he can find certain products, so there is no need for the dog to be in my shop.

I have a big sign at the front of the shop which says we do not allow any dogs under any circumstances."


Pretty sure that store owner is violating the Equalities Act here.
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Postby An Alan Smithee Nation » Wed May 23, 2018 12:29 am

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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed May 23, 2018 12:51 am

Whether Edinburgh do or don't win it, my constituency is not going to be voting snp again. We have a load of microbreweries and the snp's views on alcohol clash with our local economy.
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed May 23, 2018 12:52 am

Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/shop-owner-told-blind-man-13429980

But Mr North told the Daily Post: “He (Mr Terry) had no right coming in to my store with his dog.

“He should have asked me or my wife for help finding what he wanted because, as a blind man, he is incapable of doing it for himself.

“Dogs can’t talk. The dog could not have told him where he can find certain products, so there is no need for the dog to be in my shop.

I have a big sign at the front of the shop which says we do not allow any dogs under any circumstances."

Yes, Mr. North, he does have a right to come into your store with his guide dog, provided it is in harness/specially marked as such. It's called the law.
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Wed May 23, 2018 2:04 am

Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/shop-owner-told-blind-man-13429980

But Mr North told the Daily Post: “He (Mr Terry) had no right coming in to my store with his dog.

“He should have asked me or my wife for help finding what he wanted because, as a blind man, he is incapable of doing it for himself.

“Dogs can’t talk. The dog could not have told him where he can find certain products, so there is no need for the dog to be in my shop.

I have a big sign at the front of the shop which says we do not allow any dogs under any circumstances."

WHY DIDNT THIS BLIND MAN SEE THE FUCKING SIGN I HAD


ALSO ITS A GUIDE DOG YOU MORON
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Postby Greater vakolicci haven » Wed May 23, 2018 2:23 am

The Huskar Social Union wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/shop-owner-told-blind-man-13429980


WHY DIDNT THIS BLIND MAN SEE THE FUCKING SIGN I HAD


ALSO ITS A GUIDE DOG YOU MORON

Plus, where the fuck else is he going to put it? Leave it outside and hope it doesn't run away?
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