UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Ostroeuropa]

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I want a spookocracy led by a triumvirate of Derek Acorah and the ghosts of Tony Benn and Oswald Mosley.

... I kind of want to see him try and channel Oswald Mosley and Tony Benns ghost to talk about shit.

Why don't mediums just cut the crap and go into comedy as a particular style?

[Nunavutialand]

Fuck it.
Let's have a military coup.

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jokes on you i'm already on it.

[Trumptonium1]

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being yelled at by a scouser

And dare they say that recruitment standards haven't gone down!

[Anderhold]

hope you don't mind if tag

[Fartsniffage]

One year since the Manchester bombing. Any ideas what we've done to further engage with the Muslim community in the UK?

[Dumb Ideologies]

One year since the Manchester bombing. Any ideas what we've done to further engage with the Muslim community in the UK?

Alternatively and less passively phrased, what have we done to start actively mandating integration by banning institutions of voluntary segregation such as faith schools?

That'd do a lot more to solve the problem of the second and third generations defining themselves against mainstream society and going mental than the liberal multiculturalist model where it's fine for there to be communities-within-communities with fundamentally different values so long as a few do-gooders occasionally hold intercommunity coffee mornings attended by four people (including the organisers) and constantly apologise for the Empire.

[Freezic Vast]

I blame May's lackluster response to the terror attacks during the campaign as part of the reason she lost her majority. It's weird how so many praised her response about the Russia poisoning assassination, yet criticized her during the campaign about Manchester. Then again, her manifesto and much of her campaign was awful.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

One year since the Manchester bombing. Any ideas what we've done to further engage with the Muslim community in the UK?

No new series of Citizen Khan.

[Shamhnan Insir]

One year since the Manchester bombing. Any ideas what we've done to further engage with the Muslim community in the UK?

Alternatively and less passively phrased, what have we done to start actively mandating integration by banning institutions of voluntary segregation such as faith schools?

That'd do a lot more to solve the problem of the second and third generations defining themselves against mainstream society and going mental than the liberal multiculturalist model where it's fine for there to be communities-within-communities with fundamentally different values so long as a few do-gooders occasionally hold intercommunity coffee mornings attended by four people (including the organisers) and constantly apologise for the Empire.

I'm with DI here. The sooner we drop the ridiculous protections we give to religion in society the sooner we'll get out of the bloody dark ages.

[Trumptonium1]

One year since the Manchester bombing. Any ideas what we've done to further engage with the Muslim community in the UK?

We left 50+ of them in a tower block basically doused in petrol later on, so I guess that helped general relations.

[Dumb Ideologies]

One year since the Manchester bombing. Any ideas what we've done to further engage with the Muslim community in the UK?

We left 50+ of them in a tower block basically doused in petrol later on, so I guess that helped general relations.

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[Vassenor]

So basically banning faith schools will magically solve all our problems?

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Faith schools are something I would happily see ended.

[Dumb Ideologies]

So basically banning faith schools will magically solve all our problems?

>someone makes a point Vass doesn't like but they can't find a counterargument
>strawman it by inserting nonexistent claim that it will solve problems instantly, make references to "magic"

Everybody drink.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

So basically banning faith schools will magically solve all our problems?

Yes, that's an entirely fair summary of what a person in this thread said.

[Vassenor]

So basically banning faith schools will magically solve all our problems?

Yes, that's an entirely fair summary of what a person in this thread said.

I'm sorry, but it just seems like every time something happens the first response is "ban the faith schools". Do we have any evidence that their existence is actually linked to any sort of rise in radicalisation?

[Dumb Ideologies]

Yes, that's an entirely fair summary of what a person in this thread said.

I'm sorry, but it just seems like every time something happens the first response is "ban the faith schools". Do we have any evidence that their existence is actually linked to any sort of rise in radicalisation?

Does it not intuitively make sense that being educated only with people of your cultural background and by people of your cultural background will make you tend to identify with that community at the expense of identifying with the wider society? It's sort of the point. Does it not also plainly follow that such a sheltered upbringing with minimal contact with Western ideas and ideals in a positive context will make it more likely that you will self-segregate and define yourself in adversarial terms against the majority culture? Unfortunately we don't have access to the parallel dimension where faith schools don't exist in this country, which would allow us to test this thoroughly logical hypothesis to the level that you'd accept run from the thread and pretend not to see to avoid conceding, so you will - alas - have to use your brain rather than posting [citation needed] or demanding a pretty graph based on accessible alternative-universe null hypotheses.

I'll put this as simply as I can. Faith schools impede integration. People who aren't integrated are easier pickings for radicalisers. If you disagree with this apparently self-evident narrative by all means tell us your reasons. We realise it may be a struggle for you, but I'm sure all of the regulars here will offer support to ease you through your first argument and out of the self-destructive pattern of straw-baiting that's caused all the rating agencies to devalue your credibility bonds to junk.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Yes, that's an entirely fair summary of what a person in this thread said.

I'm sorry, but it just seems like every time something happens the first response is "ban the faith schools". Do we have any evidence that their existence is actually linked to any sort of rise in radicalisation?

I don't think you are sorry.

[Bakery Hill]

Fuck it.
Let's have a military coup.

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Not really. He's not advocating attacking the security forces, he's advocating they take control. I don't think that's a sentiment the security forces are extremely worried about.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Made me laugh

[Ifreann]

One year since the Manchester bombing. Any ideas what we've done to further engage with the Muslim community in the UK?

Compared politicians we don't like to pork products.

[Mostrov]

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[Ostroeuropa]

One year since the Manchester bombing. Any ideas what we've done to further engage with the Muslim community in the UK?

Alternatively and less passively phrased, what have we done to start actively mandating integration by banning institutions of voluntary segregation such as faith schools?

That'd do a lot more to solve the problem of the second and third generations defining themselves against mainstream society and going mental than the liberal multiculturalist model where it's fine for there to be communities-within-communities with fundamentally different values so long as a few do-gooders occasionally hold intercommunity coffee mornings attended by four people (including the organisers) and constantly apologise for the Empire.

This. But our approach must be firm in both dealing with voluntary segregation and Islamophobia. Alongside banning faith schools and the like, the BBC must be instructed to proportionally report on crimes regardless of political narrative (If you're covering terrorism 90% of the time as Islamic perpetrators, but it's actually 50%, knock it off, report proportionally. This extends to DV/Rape for males too, and other issues.). Further, a common enemy can be found in the House of Saud, and we would ideally push this narrative to unite the populace.

The house of saud is the primary source of wahabi islam, but beyond that, they are also terrible stewards of the muslim holy cities, and have destroyed several historical buildings and monuments that are not merely Islamic culture, but the heritage of mankind in terms of historical significance, such as a house where Mohammed lived, which they leveled for profit based reasons, and several other buildings mentioned in the Quran.

Linking their awful stewardship to the wahabism and portraying it as an insincere face-saving attempt for impious people and such to be "Holier than thou" to make up for their shortcomings, and noting they are the source of this windup between our communities and all that, etc.

Beyond this, there is the excessive drinking society issue with British culture which is a problem in its own right, and this likewise segregates us from the Muslim community. Encouraging and supporting other types of socialization and group activities and such will not merely benefit non-muslim britons, but allow Muslims to properly participate.

There's plenty we could be doing. Firm-handed integration need not always target the muslim community.

[Anderhold]

I'm sure this has already been discussed but I heard news of a general election being called this Autumn? Personally love campaigning in Autumn but what do you guys think? May isn't stupid enough to do it twice, is she?

[Eibenland]

Yes, that's an entirely fair summary of what a person in this thread said.

I'm sorry, but it just seems like every time something happens the first response is "ban the faith schools". Do we have any evidence that their existence is actually linked to any sort of rise in radicalisation?

It's an especially interesting claim when radicalization is increasingly occurring online and the vast majority of Muslims don't attend faith schools.