UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Ifreann]

Evaluating feminism based on reality is too hard compared to just outright accepting the outright assertions its adherents make about its positivity and necessity and assuming any defect is individual actors not representative of the movement, despite extremely often literally being representatives of the movement.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... dPublicity

did you just link to a tvtropes page

TVTropes is political analysis worthy of NSG.

[Ostroeuropa]

Evaluating feminism based on reality is too hard compared to just outright accepting the outright assertions its adherents make about its positivity and necessity and assuming any defect is individual actors not representative of the movement, despite extremely often literally being representatives of the movement.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... dPublicity

did you just link to a tvtropes page

It's an apt one to get across a concept.
"They write their own press releases." should be remembered about feminism given the prevalence of feminist journalists. Extreme skepticism should be given to their claims.

[New Emeline]

did you just link to a tvtropes page

It's an apt one to get across a concept.

I mean
I can start linking to tvtropes too
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... awFeminist

[Ostroeuropa]

It's an apt one to get across a concept.

I mean
I can start linking to tvtropes too
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... awFeminist

That's nice, but why not trying evaluating feminism as actually imposed on the public by institutions and legislation instead of just telling me some imperialists are nice people who don't like massacres.

Feminism in practice is misandrist, gynocentric, and a supremacy movement. That's not a strawman, it's the only reasonable conclusion that can be drawn by actually looking at the impacts it has had.

[New Emeline]

I mean
I can start linking to tvtropes too
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/M ... awFeminist

That's nice, but why not trying evaluating feminism as actually imposed on the public by institutions and legislation instead of just telling me some imperialists are nice people who don't like massacres.

Institutions I can see but what legislation mandates that you have to be a feminist?

[Ostroeuropa]

That's nice, but why not trying evaluating feminism as actually imposed on the public by institutions and legislation instead of just telling me some imperialists are nice people who don't like massacres.

Institutions I can see but what legislation mandates that you have to be a feminist?

There's legislation specifically brought about due to feminist lobbying, and it's usually pretty awful, gynocentric, misandrist, etc.

You've got lifelong alimony, child support, their routine revisions to UK rape laws (that STILL don't include female perpetrators or male victims, and the movement subsequently frequently uses crime office statistics to shout about rape being a male perpetrated womens issue, after that very same movement had multiple opportunities to fix this.).

There's plenty of legislation and institutional behaviors and routines that show feminism as actually imposed on the public is a terrible system, and any feminist who wants to pretend they care about men while ignoring that context and still calling themselves a feminist has explaining to do, just like someone standing up in an all-india congress meeting to complain about them "Being mean about imperialism."

It shows a lack of self-awareness and lack of genuine concern and interest for mens situation.

The conservatives have recently addressed one of these abuses by the feminist movement against the male population, based in total disregard for their wellbeing and experiences, by moving to reduce alimony to three years maximum.

When your movement is more shit than Tories on a social issue, that's pretty terrible.

[Imperializt Russia]

did you just link to a tvtropes page

It's an apt one to get across a concept.
"They write their own press releases." should be remembered about feminism given the prevalence of feminist journalists. Extreme skepticism should be given to their claims.

Women journalists, who do get attacked and underpaid for being women, might have a problem with the way society is perceived to view women.

This makes them part of a plot and were installed by The Matriarchy™ because it is impossible to arrive at such a point in one's life by one's own volition.

[Souseiseki]

That's nice, but why not trying evaluating feminism as actually imposed on the public by institutions and legislation instead of just telling me some imperialists are nice people who don't like massacres.

Institutions I can see but what legislation mandates that you have to be a feminist?

i mean if we're going there then you have no choice but to the follow the laws as dictated by a select group of feminists. for example, the government have decided that unacceptably non-feminist pornography has "no place in out society" and must be restricted or flat out criminalized in order to "send a message" and "discourage interest" in it. if you want to deviate from the strain of feminism endorsed and enforced by the state then you face the prospect of arrest, fines or even a jail sentence. if you want to air non-feminist views in public, you must be very careful. the government has decided that hate speech and grossly offensive views are literally illegal to air and non-feminist or anti-feminist views have a high chance of falling afoul of such laws. they also want to expand the laws to include mandates about "british values", and you can guess what they are. there's also social ramifications which while not strictly a law are hard to ignore. if you do not subscribe to the official good british feminism then people will try to get you fired and you will find it harder to get a new job or get into politics.

[Imperializt Russia]

Institutions I can see but what legislation mandates that you have to be a feminist?

i mean if we're going there then you have no choice but to the follow the laws as dictated by a select group of feminists. for example, the government have decided that unacceptably non-feminist pornography has "no place in out society" and must be restricted or flat out criminalized in order to "send a message" and "discourage interest" in it. if you want to deviate from the strain of feminism endorsed and enforced by the state then you face the prospect of arrest, fines or even a jail sentence. if you want to air non-feminist views in public, you must be very careful. the government has decided that hate speech and grossly offensive views are literally illegal to air and non-feminist or anti-feminist views have a high chance of falling afoul of such laws. they also want to expand the laws to include mandates about "british values", and you can guess what they are. there's also social ramifications which while not strictly a law are hard to ignore. if you do not subscribe to the official good british feminism then people will try to get you fired and you will find it harder to get a new job or get into politics.

Please stop pretending that the porn ban is an expression of latent feminist sympathies of the Tory party Sous.

[Ostroeuropa]

It's an apt one to get across a concept.
"They write their own press releases." should be remembered about feminism given the prevalence of feminist journalists. Extreme skepticism should be given to their claims.

Women journalists, who do get attacked and underpaid for being women, might have a problem with the way society is perceived to view women.

This makes them part of a plot and were installed by The Matriarchy™ because it is impossible to arrive at such a point in one's life by one's own volition.

When you evaluate harassment as a whole, men experience more of it. It's only by focusing on sexual harassment women experience more.

Women journalists writing or talking about their love of a supremacy movement being harassed is also not surprising or even noteworthy, a bunch of Antoinettes constantly crowing about cake in a situation where 2/3rds of the public has had enough of their bullshit and wants it to stop being harassed isn't note worthy. Here's a tony benn quote for you that might help it click into place.

“The House will forgive me for quoting five democratic questions that I have developed during my life. If one meets a powerful person--Rupert Murdoch, perhaps, or Joe Stalin or Hitler--one can ask five questions: what power do you have; where did you get it; in whose interests do you exercise it; to whom are you accountable; and, how can we get rid of you? Anyone who cannot answer the last of those questions does not live in a democratic system.”

No plot has been mentioned. You appear unable or unwilling to consider it's possible for them to just be biased and believe in a nonsense solution and keep applying it.

It's possible to have a problem with the way society views women without joining a supremacy movement and shilling for its doctrines and rhetoric. It's possible to have a problem with the way people view muslims without joining the muhajideen, etc.

No plot necessary, just a refusal to wonder where all the female bigots are and look around for them.
(Hint. It's the feminist movemet. That's what organized female bigotry looks like. Just look at the results.)

[Ostroeuropa]

i mean if we're going there then you have no choice but to the follow the laws as dictated by a select group of feminists. for example, the government have decided that unacceptably non-feminist pornography has "no place in out society" and must be restricted or flat out criminalized in order to "send a message" and "discourage interest" in it. if you want to deviate from the strain of feminism endorsed and enforced by the state then you face the prospect of arrest, fines or even a jail sentence. if you want to air non-feminist views in public, you must be very careful. the government has decided that hate speech and grossly offensive views are literally illegal to air and non-feminist or anti-feminist views have a high chance of falling afoul of such laws. they also want to expand the laws to include mandates about "british values", and you can guess what they are. there's also social ramifications which while not strictly a law are hard to ignore. if you do not subscribe to the official good british feminism then people will try to get you fired and you will find it harder to get a new job or get into politics.

Please stop pretending that the porn ban is an expression of latent feminist sympathies of the Tory party Sous.

It's made possible because of feminism's grip on institutions and those institutions input to the government. I doubt the Tories give a fuck, they're more interested in looting shit, but when it comes down to it, if institutions tell them something is a good idea and it doesn't hurt their friends bottom line, they're going to do it because it saves them having to actually do their jobs and come up with policy.

Civil service all over again, appleby's everywhere, except just feminist activists.

[Souseiseki]

i mean if we're going there then you have no choice but to the follow the laws as dictated by a select group of feminists. for example, the government have decided that unacceptably non-feminist pornography has "no place in out society" and must be restricted or flat out criminalized in order to "send a message" and "discourage interest" in it. if you want to deviate from the strain of feminism endorsed and enforced by the state then you face the prospect of arrest, fines or even a jail sentence. if you want to air non-feminist views in public, you must be very careful. the government has decided that hate speech and grossly offensive views are literally illegal to air and non-feminist or anti-feminist views have a high chance of falling afoul of such laws. they also want to expand the laws to include mandates about "british values", and you can guess what they are. there's also social ramifications which while not strictly a law are hard to ignore. if you do not subscribe to the official good british feminism then people will try to get you fired and you will find it harder to get a new job or get into politics.

Please stop pretending that the porn ban is an expression of latent feminist sympathies of the Tory party Sous.

feminist academics and rape charities pushed for the ban to protect women. labour went forward with it while talking about protecting women. the tory party expanded it while spouting rhetoric about protecting women. current pornography laws in the UK cannot be separated from feminism, or at least, they cannot be separated from feminist rhetoric.

e: and of course, the same groups wrote into the recent consultation on age verification with their usual rhetoric on how pornography harms women and objectifies women and how it's having a negative effect on boy's views on women and oh no. the cynical interpretation is that they don't care about feminism but are using feminism to get it passed, but that has little relevance to whether or not you are forced to be feminist.

[Ostroeuropa]

Please stop pretending that the porn ban is an expression of latent feminist sympathies of the Tory party Sous.

feminist academics and rape charities pushed for the ban to protect women. labour went forward with it while talking about protecting women. the tory party expanded it while spouting rhetoric about protecting women. current pornography laws in the UK cannot be separated from feminism, or at least, they cannot be separated from feminist rhetoric.

Notably the impulse of these types of people and their organizations wasn't to provide education on what sex should be, but to move to suppress expressions of sexuality. (Reminder; sexuality is an aspect of humanity.)

e: and of course, the same groups wrote into the recent consultation on age verification with their usual rhetoric on how pornography harms women and objectifies women and how it's having a negative effect on boy's views on women and oh no. the best possible interpretation is that they don't care about feminism but are using feminism to get it passed, but that has little relevance to whether or not you are forced to be feminist.

"Using feminism to get it passed" is part of the problem. Until people get the fuck over the fact they got played and feminism isn't actually very good, it will be a trump card powerful people can and will use to railroad the public into anything they feel like doing.

[Eastfield Lodge]

tfw you're too focused on romance to like porn anyway because there's an under-representation of wub making and you get bored without personal connection.

Unless you're off your nut on cocaine. Then porn is fine. Hell i'd leer at a bagel on coke.

If I may quote Frankie Boyle, find a woman and leave the pastries alone.

I'm struggling to remember the context for this and it's actually annoying me.

[Vassenor]

If I may quote Frankie Boyle, find a woman and leave the pastries alone.

I'm struggling to remember the context for this and it's actually annoying me.

Apparently something to do with Russel Howard confusing donuts and Viagra.

[Eastfield Lodge]

I'm struggling to remember the context for this and it's actually annoying me.

Apparently something to do with Russel Howard confusing donuts and Viagra.

Ah yeah, just looked it up. Sweet memories.
Context (at the time of the Swine Flu outbreak I believe) for anyone interested.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Theresa May has managed to keep her government going longer than I thought it would last. But I suspect that with the Scottish Parliament, the House of Lords, Rees-Mogg and Johnson in her own party, all against her the end is in sight. At some point she is going to have to say "this is my plan support me or I go".

[MERIZoC]

did you just link to a tvtropes page

TVTropes is political analysis worthy of NSG.

Not untrue

[Dumb Ideologies]

TVTropes is political analysis worthy of NSG.

Not untrue

Thought we were more at an urban dictionary sort of level so we thank you for the compliment.

[Imperializt Russia]

Not untrue

Thought we were more at an urban dictionary sort of level so we thank you for the compliment.

Urban dictionary isn't analysis though, that's just a dictionary.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Thought we were more at an urban dictionary sort of level so we thank you for the compliment.

Urban dictionary isn't analysis though, that's just a dictionary.

Are you saying we're analysis? I'm blushing!

[Hurdergaryp]

Urban dictionary isn't analysis though, that's just a dictionary.

Are you saying we're analysis? I'm blushing!

Not exactly uncommon for you, given how you tend to find many things overly lewd.

[Ifreann]

Not untrue

Thought we were more at an urban dictionary sort of level so we thank you for the compliment.

It's taken years of hard work, but we're moving up in the world.

[Hurdergaryp]

Thought we were more at an urban dictionary sort of level so we thank you for the compliment.

It's taken years of hard work, but we're moving up in the world.

Finally, respect, affluence and everything!

[Juristonia]

Theresa May has managed to keep her government going longer than I thought it would last. But I suspect that with the Scottish Parliament, the House of Lords, Rees-Mogg and Johnson in her own party, all against her the end is in sight. At some point she is going to have to say "this is my plan support me or I go".

At this point, I'm pretty sure May's only still there so they'll have someone to blame when things go tits up.