UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Ifreann]

Lead us Ostro! Lead us!

You do it. I'd end up going batshit with power and trying to radically transform the culture of the country and government.

"Yeah, we're getting rid of the lords and putting in a second house of randomly selected citizens for each bill as jurors to serve as a check on the tyranny of the political class."
->
"I saved all of you so now i'm turning up to work in a supervillain costume and i'm making my cabinet do the same. Deal with it."

But where will you get all the Darwin's Bark spiders necessary?

[Ostroeuropa]

You do it. I'd end up going batshit with power and trying to radically transform the culture of the country and government.

"Yeah, we're getting rid of the lords and putting in a second house of randomly selected citizens for each bill as jurors to serve as a check on the tyranny of the political class."
->
"I saved all of you so now i'm turning up to work in a supervillain costume and i'm making my cabinet do the same. Deal with it."

But where will you get all the Darwin's Bark spiders necessary?

I said super-villain. She was a hero and anybody who says otherwise has underlying ulterior motives and are just bullies.

By the way, we've come FULL CIRCLE!!!

Julie Bindel, transphobe, was no platformed. Her response?

"Trans-MRAs are responsible."

This isn't shark jumping for beginners, this is feminist-scale shark jumping. See how disingenuos and ridiculous that is? That's all the crap they peddle about MRAs, but crystallized into one wonderful moment of total lack of sincerity and self-awareness. Hopefully this will escalate into just screaming "YOU'RE AN MRA!" at eachother even more.

(Oh my god it's precious. The transphobe hubs i'm aware of are now using the term.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical ... e_we_need/

Hey, no, we're cool with it. Call them trans-MRAs. It's better than the outright lying about red pillers being MRAs.

[Ifreann]

http://bbcsfx.acropolis.org.uk/
The BBC has released an archive of over 16,000 sound effects that they've recorded, some dating back to 1920. Now you can listen to such hits as "South American parrot talking and screeching", "1 woman approaches and stops (reprocessed)", or everyone's favourite, "Yugoslav Chatter, small mixed group, interior".

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But where will you get all the Darwin's Bark spiders necessary?

I said super-villain. She was a hero and anybody who says otherwise has underlying ulterior motives and are just bullies.

Well if you don't want a stab-/bulletproof costume then that's your prerogative.

[Ostroeuropa]

http://bbcsfx.acropolis.org.uk/
The BBC has released an archive of over 16,000 sound effects that they've recorded, some dating back to 1920. Now you can listen to such hits as "South American parrot talking and screeching", "1 woman approaches and stops (reprocessed)", or everyone's favourite, "Yugoslav Chatter, small mixed group, interior".

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I said super-villain. She was a hero and anybody who says otherwise has underlying ulterior motives and are just bullies.

Well if you don't want a stab-/bulletproof costume then that's your prerogative.

Yugoslav Chatter? That... what does that even mean? Is it croat, serb, albanian, bosnian and all that? Or is it just vaguely eastern european sounding?

Okaaay fiiine I'll use the bark spiders.

[Trumptonium1]

Main problem with Brexit is not Brexit, but the fact that government never really believed people would vote yup.
Everything could be prepared/solved BEFORE voting: imigration, trade (like re-joining EFTA option), Northern Ireland etc.

Vote yeah and only afterwards try figure out what to do, that's not very wise logic from the start.

Not so much a problem with Brexit as much as Britain (and the Anglosphere) in general.

Central European countries particularly are used to very extensive planning and plan B's. Switzerland has a plan for virtually every conceivable scenario geopolitically and economically. Essentially, if this was Germany or Poland, post-Brexit plans would have been drawn up before the referendum day. Both in terms of negotiation approaches and in terms of unilateral affairs of shaping the post-leave framework in all forms from future migration policy to trade policy .... Such plans were not made because the government had no intention of continuing its existence if the vote didn't go their way, so it was up to a newly elected (internally) government to decide the state of affairs from scratch.

Also because Britain and especially America tend to wing it and go with the flow. Order vs. liberty, I guess.

Part of the blame also lays on the EU, since two years isn't nearly enough to leave such a complicated bureaucratic behemoth without being allowed to prepare before, namely around trade. Migration is a rather weird point because it literally only takes a piece of paper and two hours to go through the Commons. It's largely unilateral.

Greenland left the EEC in 1985 .. following three years of negotiations. That's the population the size of a small neighbourhood in Birmingham with very few relations to the EU and total disregard for the majority of its directives due to a lack of relevant legislation, industry, climate, agriculture, exports and whatever else.

Dare I say, these negotiations would have gone better and faster had the government decided to work together with Labour who already had alternative contingency plans. It's also only reasonable that such a decision that affects Britain for the remainder of the livelihoods of everyone alive and yet to be born would be something that takes into account different political needs. But then Labour doesn't care about democracy and knobheads like Lammy would overturn the vote at every stage, so this wasn't a possibility.

If Britain does leave as a low tax haven with zero workers rights, the working classes' and left's blame can be laid on moronic Hammersmithian champagne socialists who could not be trusted with access to any political levers, and undoing this (not Brexit, but a move towards a 'bourgeois state' with American level protections) will be virtually unattainable. Couple that with free trade with half the world and the working classes are double shafted. Or triple shafted, if the government seriously considers free movement with countries like India for whom such conditions were terms of a free trade contract.

[Dumb Ideologies]

But where will you get all the Darwin's Bark spiders necessary?

I said super-villain. She was a hero and anybody who says otherwise has underlying ulterior motives and are just bullies.

By the way, we've come FULL CIRCLE!!!

Julie Bindel, transphobe, was no platformed. Her response?

"Trans-MRAs are responsible."

This isn't shark jumping for beginners, this is feminist-scale shark jumping. See how disingenuos and ridiculous that is? That's all the crap they peddle about MRAs, but crystallized into one wonderful moment of total lack of sincerity and self-awareness. Hopefully this will escalate into just screaming "YOU'RE AN MRA!" at eachother even more.

(Oh my god it's precious. The transphobe hubs i'm aware of are now using the term.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical ... e_we_need/

Hey, no, we're cool with it. Call them trans-MRAs. It's better than the outright lying about red pillers being MRAs.

Oh wow. At this stage we're pretty much witnessing the movement eating itself, throwing up, and then wriggling around on the floor licking up its own sick.

Talking of which:

http://bbcsfx.acropolis.org.uk/
The BBC has released an archive of over 16,000 sound effects that they've recorded, some dating back to 1920. Now you can listen to such hits as "South American parrot talking and screeching", "1 woman approaches and stops (reprocessed)", or everyone's favourite, "Yugoslav Chatter, small mixed group, interior".

Iffy do they have a sound effect for "feminist self-vore, spasming and vomit-licking?" One of the more esoteric late night Radio 4 sketch shows MUST have done that at some stage, they've had shows from Chris Morris for goodness sake

[Hurdergaryp]

http://bbcsfx.acropolis.org.uk/
The BBC has released an archive of over 16,000 sound effects that they've recorded, some dating back to 1920. Now you can listen to such hits as "South American parrot talking and screeching", "1 woman approaches and stops (reprocessed)", or everyone's favourite, "Yugoslav Chatter, small mixed group, interior".

Iffy do they have a sound effect for "feminist self-vore, spasming and vomit-licking?" One of the more esoteric late night Radio 4 sketch shows MUST have done this.

Sounds more like a character created by an Info Wars/Breitbart co-production.

[Ifreann]

http://bbcsfx.acropolis.org.uk/
The BBC has released an archive of over 16,000 sound effects that they've recorded, some dating back to 1920. Now you can listen to such hits as "South American parrot talking and screeching", "1 woman approaches and stops (reprocessed)", or everyone's favourite, "Yugoslav Chatter, small mixed group, interior".

---

Well if you don't want a stab-/bulletproof costume then that's your prerogative.

Yugoslav Chatter? That... what does that even mean? Is it croat, serb, albanian, bosnian and all that? Or is it just vaguely eastern european sounding?

Okaaay fiiine I'll use the bark spiders.

One assumes that it's chatter from Yugoslavia, back when that was a country that existed.

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I said super-villain. She was a hero and anybody who says otherwise has underlying ulterior motives and are just bullies.

By the way, we've come FULL CIRCLE!!!

Julie Bindel, transphobe, was no platformed. Her response?

"Trans-MRAs are responsible."

This isn't shark jumping for beginners, this is feminist-scale shark jumping. See how disingenuos and ridiculous that is? That's all the crap they peddle about MRAs, but crystallized into one wonderful moment of total lack of sincerity and self-awareness. Hopefully this will escalate into just screaming "YOU'RE AN MRA!" at eachother even more.

(Oh my god it's precious. The transphobe hubs i'm aware of are now using the term.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical ... e_we_need/

Hey, no, we're cool with it. Call them trans-MRAs. It's better than the outright lying about red pillers being MRAs.

Oh wow. At this stage we're pretty much witnessing the movement eating itself, throwing up, and then wriggling around on the floor licking up its own sick.

Talking of which:

http://bbcsfx.acropolis.org.uk/
The BBC has released an archive of over 16,000 sound effects that they've recorded, some dating back to 1920. Now you can listen to such hits as "South American parrot talking and screeching", "1 woman approaches and stops (reprocessed)", or everyone's favourite, "Yugoslav Chatter, small mixed group, interior".

Iffy do they have a sound effect for "feminist self-vore, spasming and vomit-licking?" One of the more esoteric late night Radio 4 sketch shows MUST have done that at some stage, they've had shows from Chris Morris for goodness sake

"Wild boars having tea - 1972 (7L, reprocessed)"

[Philjia]

Statue of Millicent Fawcett has gone up in parliament square.

Not sure why they gave her a novelty tea towel to hold. I thought we were meant to be getting women out of the kitchen?

[Ostroeuropa]

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/201 ... van-dongen

Here's one.

Should murder charges be brought if your attack on someone leads to them being euthanized in a foreign country?

Also of note;
1. Older woman engaging in DV with younger man. “If I can’t have you, no one else can.” (there's that Hegemonic masculinity we've heard so much about, someone lecture her dead boyfriend on how he needs to be less controlling it's the only thing that'll fix it.)
2. “It is the prosecution case that the physical and mental suffering that he sustained from that deliberate acid attack were what drove him to euthanasia. Put simply, he could not bear to live in that condition. If that is right, we say, then she is guilty of murder.”

Things to contemplate;
Does this extend to driving people to suicide?

Things to contemplate further;
What does this say about the male suicide epidemic and societies treatment of men?


For the record;
I agree that if you cause someone to seek euthanasia or suicide, it should be treated as murder, perhaps of a lesser tier, but murder nonetheless.

[Alvecia]

I imagine it's functionally the same as driving someone to suicide, for which I've got to assume there's already legal precedence.

[Ifreann]

Statue of Millicent Fawcett has gone up in parliament square.

(Image)

Not sure why they gave her a novelty tea towel to hold. I thought we were meant to be getting women out of the kitchen?

Novelty tea towels are a proud and ancient tradition, celebrated by patriotic Britons of all genders.

[Alvecia]

Statue of Millicent Fawcett has gone up in parliament square.

(Image)

Not sure why they gave her a novelty tea towel to hold. I thought we were meant to be getting women out of the kitchen?

Novelty tea towels are a proud and ancient tradition, celebrated by patriotic Britons of all genders.

I remember making one in primary school. We all had to draw a picture of ourselves which were then printed onto the tea towel.

It was only year 3 so the drawings were pretty shitty.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

I imagine it's functionally the same as driving someone to suicide, for which I've got to assume there's already legal precedence.

The precedent is, put simply, that it gets downgraded to a constructed manslaughter.

[Greater vakolicci haven]

Novelty tea towels are a proud and ancient tradition, celebrated by patriotic Britons of all genders.

I remember making one in primary school. We all had to draw a picture of ourselves which were then printed onto the tea towel.

It was only year 3 so the drawings were pretty shitty.

In primary school all of my art creations had a tendency to be a lot better than everyone elses, not because I was better at art than them but because they'd give me all of the expensive tools I needed to 'level the playing field.'
They only realised in about year 5 that the possibility might be that a blind kid could be reasonably good at art.

[Souseiseki]

But where will you get all the Darwin's Bark spiders necessary?

I said super-villain. She was a hero and anybody who says otherwise has underlying ulterior motives and are just bullies.

By the way, we've come FULL CIRCLE!!!

Julie Bindel, transphobe, was no platformed. Her response?

"Trans-MRAs are responsible."

This isn't shark jumping for beginners, this is feminist-scale shark jumping. See how disingenuos and ridiculous that is? That's all the crap they peddle about MRAs, but crystallized into one wonderful moment of total lack of sincerity and self-awareness. Hopefully this will escalate into just screaming "YOU'RE AN MRA!" at eachother even more.

(Oh my god it's precious. The transphobe hubs i'm aware of are now using the term.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical ... e_we_need/

Hey, no, we're cool with it. Call them trans-MRAs. It's better than the outright lying about red pillers being MRAs.

i wouldn't say we've come full circle or that the movement is eating itself. the whole sex positive/sex negative problem and how to deal with transpeople has been floating around in feminism since before most of us were born. this is just an extension of the same shit that's being going on for decades.

also, she called them MRAs because she blames transwomen, thinks transwomen are men and thinks it's funny to call trans rights activists men's rights activists. that's... pretty much it. it's not designed to be a proper analysis of the problems men face in our society or the people that choose to confront them, it's another "dae transwomen == men???" from the woman who is infamous for that.

[Bienenhalde]

People reporting things in the British Politics thread? That's not very stiff upper lip of you.

They are not moving their stiff upper lip. Just properly tut-tutting a breach of proper manners.

[Ostroeuropa]

I said super-villain. She was a hero and anybody who says otherwise has underlying ulterior motives and are just bullies.

By the way, we've come FULL CIRCLE!!!

Julie Bindel, transphobe, was no platformed. Her response?

"Trans-MRAs are responsible."

This isn't shark jumping for beginners, this is feminist-scale shark jumping. See how disingenuos and ridiculous that is? That's all the crap they peddle about MRAs, but crystallized into one wonderful moment of total lack of sincerity and self-awareness. Hopefully this will escalate into just screaming "YOU'RE AN MRA!" at eachother even more.

(Oh my god it's precious. The transphobe hubs i'm aware of are now using the term.)

https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical ... e_we_need/

Hey, no, we're cool with it. Call them trans-MRAs. It's better than the outright lying about red pillers being MRAs.

i wouldn't say we've come full circle or that the movement is eating itself. the whole sex positive/sex negative problem and how to deal with transpeople has been floating around in feminism since before most of us were born. this is just an extension of the same shit that's being going on for decades.

also, she called them MRAs because she blames transwomen, thinks transwomen are men and thinks it's funny to call trans rights activists men's rights activists. that's... pretty much it. it's not designed to be a proper analysis of the problems men face in our society or the people that choose to confront them, it's another "dae transwomen == men???" from the woman who is infamous for that.

I think it's more that she views them as men advocating for their rights and is immediately derogatory about it, and seems to be conceding that any men doing so are MRAs, presumably because she's of the school that thinks there's no mens issues.

[Imperializt Russia]

Our government continues to be massively shit.

"Everyone will be granted citizenship"
Not in time for the May elections of course where people may be challenged for ID to vote (because voting is the same as getting a parcel at the post office, umm), and judging by the housing of Grenfell residents, not in time for the next General Election either.
Oh, and they'll have to apply and a few will get deported for having applied, calling it now.

[Socialist Czechia]

Main problem with Brexit is not Brexit, but the fact that government never really believed people would vote yup.
Everything could be prepared/solved BEFORE voting: imigration, trade (like re-joining EFTA option), Northern Ireland etc.

Vote yeah and only afterwards try figure out what to do, that's not very wise logic from the start.

This is a fair point. But it's even worse than this because they're still not sufficiently investing in preparing the immigration and customs institutions for a no deal or very limited deal, which is a very strong negotiating signal for "we'll eventually have to cave to anything Europe demands because we have no contingencies." May lacks the political capital and numbers to confidently take any big decisions, but can't take the issues to an election to try to win a mandate because she'd quite possibly end up with another stalemate or an outright defeat.

The government's Brexit "vision" even now is to drift and make the vaguest placatory statements possible in the hope of muddling through in government as long as they can, and hope an acceptable deal will magically fall into their pocket if they stare into the Mirror of Erised long enough.

They're asleep at the wheel and even to a fanatical order-oriented sort as myself jokes about revolution or a monarchist putsch are reaching the territory of only semi-ironic. Brexit is too important to be handled this ineptly and drift into an Andrex-soft capitulation deal or an elite swindle to call the whole thing off.

Another option is just use Unilateral option: No deal at all. Ourselves alone. And let EU swallow it.
It would be much worse for EU than UK. Because anyone could do it then, just like that. So it's EU's best interest to cave to UK's demands.

Prime Minister with balls could present it as an ultimatum our deal by our demands or no deal at all. Choose and right now.

[Trumptonium1]

It's interesting that we are living to see the death of the "special relationship" between the UK and the US, largely down to Westminster choices and neglect.

Is this the correct foreign policy? Will we ever see it repaired after this term? I don't know, but these are all strategic questions.

One would assume that with Britain's distancing from the EU and worse relations by necessity, Britain would seek to reinforce existing relationships elsewhere. Instead we see Canada being increasingly influenced by Chinese policy, Australia increasingly winging it on their own and being more economically dependent on China, and the US return to their Jeffersonian roots of the White House being cozy with Matignon.

The UK is increasingly falling under the meme of Little Englander. Contempt for both Trump and Trudeau and a goodbye to the other side of the Channel.

Also, unrelated, but Macron and Trump are increasingly looking like Blair and Bush. Makes me think May only launched the strikes to stay relevant, lol.

[Ostroeuropa]

Our government continues to be massively shit.

"Everyone will be granted citizenship"
Not in time for the May elections of course where people may be challenged for ID to vote (because voting is the same as getting a parcel at the post office, umm), and judging by the housing of Grenfell residents, not in time for the next General Election either.
Oh, and they'll have to apply and a few will get deported for having applied, calling it now.

What's wrong with the current system for deciding votes? Their argument I mean.

An ID seems infinitely more simple to acquire than the paperwork necessary to obtain ballot papers delivered to your property. It seems like an unnecessary extra hurdle.

Our children can acquire fake id's, but an immigrant can't?

[Imperializt Russia]

Our government continues to be massively shit.

"Everyone will be granted citizenship"
Not in time for the May elections of course where people may be challenged for ID to vote (because voting is the same as getting a parcel at the post office, umm), and judging by the housing of Grenfell residents, not in time for the next General Election either.
Oh, and they'll have to apply and a few will get deported for having applied, calling it now.

What's wrong with the current system for deciding votes? Their argument I mean.

An ID seems infinitely more simple to acquire than the paperwork necessary to obtain ballot papers delivered to your property. It seems like an unnecessary extra hurdle.

Our children can acquire fake id's, but an immigrant can't?

Of course.

Because the inevitable consequence is a suppression of Labour-leaning voters.

[Albrenia]

It's interesting that we are living to see the death of the "special relationship" between the UK and the US, largely down to Westminster choices and neglect.

Is this the correct foreign policy? Will we ever see it repaired after this term? I don't know, but these are all strategic questions.

One would assume that with Britain's distancing from the EU and worse relations by necessity, Britain would seek to reinforce existing relationships elsewhere. Instead we see Canada being increasingly influenced by Chinese policy, Australia increasingly winging it on their own and being more economically dependent on China, and the US return to their Jeffersonian roots of the White House being cozy with Matignon.

The UK is increasingly falling under the meme of Little Englander. Contempt for both Trump and Trudeau and a goodbye to the other side of the Channel.

Also, unrelated, but Macron and Trump are increasingly looking like Blair and Bush. Makes me think May only launched the strikes to stay relevant, lol.

The relationship between Trump and Macron confuses me. Trump seems to really admire Macron, but I'm not convinced the feeling is mutual... and I'm not sure why Trump likes Macron at all,considering their differences.

[Souseiseki]

It's interesting that we are living to see the death of the "special relationship" between the UK and the US, largely down to Westminster choices and neglect.

Is this the correct foreign policy? Will we ever see it repaired after this term? I don't know, but these are all strategic questions.

One would assume that with Britain's distancing from the EU and worse relations by necessity, Britain would seek to reinforce existing relationships elsewhere. Instead we see Canada being increasingly influenced by Chinese policy, Australia increasingly winging it on their own and being more economically dependent on China, and the US return to their Jeffersonian roots of the White House being cozy with Matignon.

The UK is increasingly falling under the meme of Little Englander. Contempt for both Trump and Trudeau and a goodbye to the other side of the Channel.

Also, unrelated, but Macron and Trump are increasingly looking like Blair and Bush. Makes me think May only launched the strikes to stay relevant, lol.

china and india are becoming more powerful and the US is becoming more isolationist and even more bullheaded. the only reasonable option for the future was the EU, which other european nations recognize. there was never a realistic chance that the UK or france could leave the EU and find a hitherto undiscovered source of swoleness and outcompete china for influence in canada/australia in africa in the long term, nor was there ever a realistic chance the US predatory trade policy would somehow become amicable under the leadership of the guy who has openly said previous american leaders were pussies in that regard. we've fucked it and the plan was a questionable one from the start.