UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Ifreann]

So I guess a video of a pug miming to Fuck Tha Police would be a bad thing

yeah, that's super double triple illegal

Proceed directly to the Tower.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

It's certainly true that Brexit hasn't improved anyone's life.

[Fartsniffage]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-be ... s-43825429

[Ostroeuropa]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-43825429

Eight months seems excessive with no previous convictions, but it does strike me as something for which there should have been punishment. It may have been both more restorative and more rehabilitative to ask the child for a charity of their choice and impose community service of some number of hours. Prison should only be for repeat or serious offenders.

[Fartsniffage]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-43825429

Eight months seems excessive with no previous convictions, but it does strike me as something for which there should have been punishment. It may have been both more restorative and more rehabilitative to ask the child for a charity of their choice and impose community service of some number of hours. Prison should only be for repeat or serious offenders.

I'm still trying to figure out how cutting hair is actual bodily harm. Given that consent is no defence against an ABH or GBH charge, why isn't every barber and hairdresser in the nation up on charges?

[Ostroeuropa]

Eight months seems excessive with no previous convictions, but it does strike me as something for which there should have been punishment. It may have been both more restorative and more rehabilitative to ask the child for a charity of their choice and impose community service of some number of hours. Prison should only be for repeat or serious offenders.

I'm still trying to figure out how cutting hair is actual bodily harm. Given that consent is no defence against an ABH or GBH charge, why isn't every barber and hairdresser in the nation up on charges?

Because dumb bullshit that's why. The fact is, consent is a defense against those two as and when it suits the state to ignore it, and the "Consent doesn't matter" shit only matters when it offends or skeevs out some large section of society and they don't want to confront their conservative impulses.

[Vassenor]

Eight months seems excessive with no previous convictions, but it does strike me as something for which there should have been punishment. It may have been both more restorative and more rehabilitative to ask the child for a charity of their choice and impose community service of some number of hours. Prison should only be for repeat or serious offenders.

I'm still trying to figure out how cutting hair is actual bodily harm. Given that consent is no defence against an ABH or GBH charge, why isn't every barber and hairdresser in the nation up on charges?

Depends whether Volenti non fit injuria applies or not. Forceful cutting of hair as ABH isn't without precedent - Leading case is DPP v Smith [2006].

[Fartsniffage]

I'm still trying to figure out how cutting hair is actual bodily harm. Given that consent is no defence against an ABH or GBH charge, why isn't every barber and hairdresser in the nation up on charges?

Depends whether Volenti non fit injuria applies or not. Forceful cutting of hair as ABH isn't without precedent - Leading case is DPP v Smith [2006].

Volenti non fit injuria matters not at all as this is criminal and not tort law.

[Ostroeuropa]

Depends whether Volenti non fit injuria applies or not. Forceful cutting of hair as ABH isn't without precedent - Leading case is DPP v Smith [2006].

Volenti non fit injuria matters not at all as this is criminal and not tort law.

Do you think there should have been punishment? What seems appropriate?
(Assume for the moment there is a law that covers it, as I agree that if by technicality there is not, we cannot convict)

[Freaneet]

I think that we are not good.

[Fartsniffage]

Volenti non fit injuria matters not at all as this is criminal and not tort law.

Do you think there should have been punishment? What seems appropriate?
(Assume for the moment there is a law that covers it, as I agree that if by technicality there is not, we cannot convict)

Maybe a couple of hundred hours community service. Cutting the hair of the homeless or something.

[Vassenor]

Depends whether Volenti non fit injuria applies or not. Forceful cutting of hair as ABH isn't without precedent - Leading case is DPP v Smith [2006].

Volenti non fit injuria matters not at all as this is criminal and not tort law.

R v Wilson [1996] held that it is possible to consent to cosmetic enhancement even when such an act would constitute ABH.

[Ostroeuropa]

Do you think there should have been punishment? What seems appropriate?
(Assume for the moment there is a law that covers it, as I agree that if by technicality there is not, we cannot convict)

Maybe a couple of hundred hours community service. Cutting the hair of the homeless or something.

I agree that seems more appropriate, perhaps suspending or revoking his license as a hairdresser, I gather they issue them.

Volenti non fit injuria matters not at all as this is criminal and not tort law.

R v Wilson [1996] held that it is possible to consent to cosmetic enhancement even when such an act would constitute ABH.

This form of consent wouldn't apply in my opinion, as it comes close to the problems of consenting to sex and the law there.

You consent to a particular thing, not a radically different thing. Consent to one is not consent to the other. If the child wanted his hair cut but not completely shaved off, then that's not what they consented to. If it just happened to turn out that way, it's different.

Similar to consenting to one kind of sex not being consent to another kind, though if in attempting one mistakes are made and another comes about, that's acceptable, as you consented to it understanding the risks it might go wrong

[Vassenor]

Maybe a couple of hundred hours community service. Cutting the hair of the homeless or something.

I agree that seems more appropriate, perhaps suspending or revoking his license as a hairdresser, I gather they issue them.

R v Wilson [1996] held that it is possible to consent to cosmetic enhancement even when such an act would constitute ABH.

This form of consent wouldn't apply in my opinion, as it comes close to the problems of consenting to sex and the law there.

You consent to a particular thing, not a radically different thing. Consent to one is not consent to the other. If the child wanted his hair cut but not completely shaved off, then that's not what they consented to. If it just happened to turn out that way, it's different.

Similar to consenting to one kind of sex not being consent to another kind, though if in attempting one mistakes are made and another comes about, that's acceptable, as you consented to it understanding the risks it might go wrong

I thought we'd moved on to the general "why aren't we bringing all hairdressers up on charges" point.

[Fartsniffage]

Volenti non fit injuria matters not at all as this is criminal and not tort law.

R v Wilson [1996] held that it is possible to consent to cosmetic enhancement even when such an act would constitute ABH.

My complaint is that the whole thing is arbitrary. Consent is a valid defence sometimes and not others.

And that ass carving case was clearly a Ds relationship. I'd lay money that they were wealthy and got a pass on it.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Why is it so fucking hot? Where did all these bees come from? What steps is the government going to take to mitigate the effects of this sudden influx of bees? In my house, there are actual rooms--like the kitchen--that are totally bee-filled, where non-bees simply don't go in.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Why is it so fucking hot? Where did all these bees come from? What steps is the government going to take to mitigate the effects of this sudden influx of bees? In my house, there are actual rooms--like the kitchen--that are totally bee-filled, where non-bees simply don't go in.

Hem hem. Our wonderful bees were born and bred in this country and are entitled to living space as they have a far greater connection to the soil than complaining urbanites.

Please show me all papers to confirm your right of residency.

...

Oh dear, we've shredded them, now you'll have to deported by catapult to the nearest banana republic and your house made into a preservation and breeding ground for the wonderful wonderful bees. Yes, Mr Stingerkins, this is all yours now, you're a good buzzybuzz yes you are.

[The Huskar Social Union]

Could the sun like... FUCK OFF?

[Trumptonium1]

Could the sun like... FUCK OFF?

This, thankfully, hopefully, is just the start.

Yesterday was great. At 6pm my city park looked like a giant native american smoke signal. Counted at least 14 barbecues including mine.

[Ostroeuropa]

Could the sun like... FUCK OFF?

Don't be mean to my boi, it's not often I get to use my roof for barbeques and sunbathing.

[Dumb Ideologies]

Could the sun like... FUCK OFF?

He's a bad'un and his hat needs to be turned into a balaclava.

[Hurdergaryp]

Could the sun like... FUCK OFF?

He's a bad'un and his hat needs to be turned into a balaclava.

Wait, you people are not talking about the newspaper?

[Ifreann]

Could the sun like... FUCK OFF?

Cease this heresy at once. Sunshine today, sunshine tomorrow, sunshine forever, and big bags of cans for all!

[Dumb Ideologies]

Could the sun like... FUCK OFF?

Cease this heresy at once. Sunshine today, sunshine tomorrow, sunshine forever, and big bags of cans for all!

Don't take any of the cans, kids, they're probably Guinness.

[Ifreann]

Cease this heresy at once. Sunshine today, sunshine tomorrow, sunshine forever, and big bags of cans for all!

Don't take any of the cans, kids, they're probably Guinness.

Gway out of that. Today is a day for cider.

And I'm not sharing my Guinness.