UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Frank Zipper]

Whatever democratic governments the British people vote in an out of power at any time is not a waste, it is called multi political party democracy.

Why are you responding to the opening post from 40 pages back?

[Greater Miami Shores]

Whatever democratic governments the British people vote in an out of power at any time is not a waste, it is called multi political party democracy.

Why are you responding to the opening post from 40 pages back?

Frank I am responding to directly to our O.P Thread Host, my democratic right to do so, just like your democratic right to critize me for it. I respect your right to post your views to anyone on anyone's thread or post, including my own threads, even if I don't like your views or comments, I respect your right to do so and I will defend your right to do so, like I am doing right now. Crazy Cuban Alberto.

[Ifreann]

Why are you responding to the opening post from 40 pages back?

Frank I am responding to directly to our O.P Thread Host, my democratic right to do so, just like your democratic right to critize me for it. I respect your right to post your views to anyone on anyone's thread or post, including my own threads, even if I don't like your views or comments, I respect your right to do so. Crazy Cuban Alberto.

You don't have any democratic right to post on NSG.

[The of Japan]

I don't really like the tories myself, but god help Britain if Jeremy Corbyn gets elected.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I don't really like the tories myself, but god help Britain if Jeremy Corbyn gets elected.

Dont be afraid, you will get Jam too.

Why are you responding to the opening post from 40 pages back?

Frank I am responding to directly to our O.P Thread Host, my democratic right to do so, just like your democratic right to critize me for it. I respect your right to post your views to anyone on anyone's thread or post, including my own threads, even if I don't like your views or comments, I respect your right to do so and I will defend your right to do so, like I am doing right now. Crazy Cuban Alberto.

This is a privately owned forum, you have no democratic rights to post on here. Same way you can talk to anyone however you want.

[Vassenor]

I don't really like the tories myself, but god help Britain if Jeremy Corbyn gets elected.

For what reason?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

Welcome to the UK Politics Thread: A thread for politics, politics in the UK. PolitUKs.

Last time we checked off Theresa May called a snap election after repeatedly saying she wouldn't in anticipation of getting a stunning majority. Having proceeded to waste a 25+ point lead over the opposition and end up losing said majority, she has given the nation repeated assurances that she is "not owned, not owned" and stayed in power by negotiating a deal with the DUP, a party with "eccentric" views. This has lead to fun questions such as "does this violate the Good Friday Agreement", "did we just waste our first months of Brexit negotations on making our government even more unstable" and "did we seriously just pledge to spend £1.5bn pretty much entirely to prop up a government that couldn't get into power otherwise", all of which and more you will be able to discuss in the latest incarnation of the exciting UK Politics Thread. (For the record, my answers are "maybe", "yes" and "yes".)

Just as the UK enters a new era of post-election fun, we too shall celebrate the old thread hitting 500 pages by entering a new thread, a new age of funposting. How symbolic!

Whatever democratic governments the British people vote in an out of power at any time is not a waste, it is called multi political party democracy.

The point of the "waste" comment was that the election was called with the stated aim of increasing the Tories' majority to deliver a "strong and stable" government. Instead, the Tories exchanged a slender majority for a hung Parliament (presumably "weaker and less stable").

So yes, it was a waste in that sense.

[Souseiseki]

https://merryjane.com/news/united-kingd ... -time-soon

linking this so i don't have to link the daily mail instead, even though the daily mail is hilariously flip floppy on the issue and their article seems mostly negative.

the home office have made it clear they have no intention of legalizing cannabis despite growing public support and a growing body of evidence showing that they're full of shit. while many countries inducing even the US (the historical driving force behind the draconian approach) move towards a more sensible and more grounded approach the UK will yet again by its own free will lag behind the rest of world with silly policies and draconian non-sense, so much so that even its usually gung-ho police have gotten tired of the whole thing.

[Souseiseki]

i legitimately can't think of a single issue on which the home office isn't blatantly making shit up or ignoring evidence they don't like

[Big Brain City]

i legitimately can't think of a single issue on which the home office isn't blatantly making shit up or ignoring evidence they don't like

You might need to hunt one down, then, souse.
Like murder idk lol. Maybe prosecuting that still has some non-bullshit policy motivations?

[The of Japan]

I don't really like the tories myself, but god help Britain if Jeremy Corbyn gets elected.

For what reason?

maybe because he is a bumbling idiot?

[Big Brain City]

For what reason?

maybe because he is a bumbling idiot?

He seems pretty based imo. After all, he's going for 21st century socialism and brexiting to make it happen in Britain.
Though that might be called bumbling idiocy by those who call capitalism efficient.

[The of Japan]

maybe because he is a bumbling idiot?

He seems pretty based imo. After all, he's going for 21st century socialism and brexiting to make it happen in Britain.
Though that might be called bumbling idiocy by those who call capitalism efficient.

How is Britain going to pay for all of these "socialist" policies?

[Big Brain City]

He seems pretty based imo. After all, he's going for 21st century socialism and brexiting to make it happen in Britain.
Though that might be called bumbling idiocy by those who call capitalism efficient.

How is Britain going to pay for all of these "socialist" policies?

I dunno. They might abolish trident or something? Ask Jeremy.

[The of Japan]

How is Britain going to pay for all of these "socialist" policies?

I dunno. They might abolish trident or something? Ask Jeremy.

Britain already has a deficit, so I dunno either. once the DUP-Tory coalition fails (probably sooner rather than later) labour has a good shot at winning Britain.

[Big Brain City]

I dunno. They might abolish trident or something? Ask Jeremy.

Britain already has a deficit, so I dunno either. once the DUP-Tory coalition fails (probably sooner rather than later) labour has a good shot at winning Britain.

It'll be cool to see, that's for sure.
CORBYN 2017 or 2020 or whenever!

[Vassenor]

He seems pretty based imo. After all, he's going for 21st century socialism and brexiting to make it happen in Britain.
Though that might be called bumbling idiocy by those who call capitalism efficient.

How is Britain going to pay for all of these "socialist" policies?

Read the 2017 manifesto. They actually talk about what the costs are and where it would all come from.

[Calladan]

He seems pretty based imo. After all, he's going for 21st century socialism and brexiting to make it happen in Britain.
Though that might be called bumbling idiocy by those who call capitalism efficient.

How is Britain going to pay for all of these "socialist" policies?

Well, the Labour manifesto was fully costed, with everything priced and paid for. So clearly the Labour party and its leader know how they plan to pay for things even if this Corbyn guy doesn't. Maybe you should ask the leader of the Labour party or look up the Manifesto on line. Go on. We'll wait

[The Huskar Social Union]

How is Britain going to pay for all of these "socialist" policies?

Well, the Labour manifesto was fully costed, with everything priced and paid for. So clearly the Labour party and its leader know how they plan to pay for things even if this Corbyn guy doesn't. Maybe you should ask the leader of the Labour party or look up the Manifesto on line. Go on. We'll wait

You uh.... you do realise that corbyn is the leader right?



If im missing an easy joke or something ive not been up that long.

[Calladan]

Well, the Labour manifesto was fully costed, with everything priced and paid for. So clearly the Labour party and its leader know how they plan to pay for things even if this Corbyn guy doesn't. Maybe you should ask the leader of the Labour party or look up the Manifesto on line. Go on. We'll wait

You uh.... you do realise that corbyn is the leader right?



If im missing an easy joke or something ive not been up that long.

Yeah, sorry. I was just openly mocking the user I was quoting. Apologies if that was not clear

[Calladan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40623343

Public sector workers receive a 10% "premium" over the private sector, said Philip Hammond, who said colleagues should not be leaking cabinet talks.

The chancellor refused to comment on reports he said at a cabinet meeting that public servants were "overpaid".

Well, I guess it depends on who he is comparing it to. If you compare what nurses earn (between £22k and £25k a year) and compare that to someone with a paper round, then yes, they probably are ludicrously over paid and should be thankful for it.

But if you compare what nurses earn to what MPs earn (I think it was £77k a year at the last raise?) I think his argument looks a little thin.

And then if you compare it to the private sector, where salaries can run into the £100k, £200k band for some senior staff (where as senior nurses get, I believe, £69k a year) then his argument collapses even further.

(I am paid well above £40k and while I do have a skilled job, I would say that the police, fire brigade and DEFINITELY the nursing profession is a far harder job than mine and really they should be paid more. But then I am not an MP and who knows how their exalted minds work?)

I am not one to rush to judgement about how much shit MPs are apt to talk, but in this case, I think the moment you hear it, you know he is full of crap.

[Vassenor]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40623343

Public sector workers receive a 10% "premium" over the private sector, said Philip Hammond, who said colleagues should not be leaking cabinet talks.

The chancellor refused to comment on reports he said at a cabinet meeting that public servants were "overpaid".

Well, I guess it depends on who he is comparing it to. If you compare what nurses earn (between £22k and £25k a year) and compare that to someone with a paper round, then yes, they probably are ludicrously over paid and should be thankful for it.

But if you compare what nurses earn to what MPs earn (I think it was £77k a year at the last raise?) I think his argument looks a little thin.

And then if you compare it to the private sector, where salaries can run into the £100k, £200k band for some senior staff (where as senior nurses get, I believe, £69k a year) then his argument collapses even further.

(I am paid well above £40k and while I do have a skilled job, I would say that the police, fire brigade and DEFINITELY the nursing profession is a far harder job than mine and really they should be paid more. But then I am not an MP and who knows how their exalted minds work?)

I am not one to rush to judgement about how much shit MPs are apt to talk, but in this case, I think the moment you hear it, you know he is full of crap.

I think the explanation I've seen is that he's running a very, very narrow definition of "public sector worker", possibly just being the civil servants that he is associated with rather than anyone else we consider to be one.

[Imperializt Russia]

I see no reason why BME individuals would be stopped and searched in relation to acid, nor at a disproportionate rate.

Really? All those stories from the subcontinent about women getting acid attacked by rejected guys not sound familiar?

Which are stories from the subcontinent, in countries that are majority - as we would consider them in the UK - "BME" persons.

[Calladan]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40623343

Public sector workers receive a 10% "premium" over the private sector, said Philip Hammond, who said colleagues should not be leaking cabinet talks.

The chancellor refused to comment on reports he said at a cabinet meeting that public servants were "overpaid".

Well, I guess it depends on who he is comparing it to. If you compare what nurses earn (between £22k and £25k a year) and compare that to someone with a paper round, then yes, they probably are ludicrously over paid and should be thankful for it.

But if you compare what nurses earn to what MPs earn (I think it was £77k a year at the last raise?) I think his argument looks a little thin.

And then if you compare it to the private sector, where salaries can run into the £100k, £200k band for some senior staff (where as senior nurses get, I believe, £69k a year) then his argument collapses even further.

(I am paid well above £40k and while I do have a skilled job, I would say that the police, fire brigade and DEFINITELY the nursing profession is a far harder job than mine and really they should be paid more. But then I am not an MP and who knows how their exalted minds work?)

I am not one to rush to judgement about how much shit MPs are apt to talk, but in this case, I think the moment you hear it, you know he is full of crap.

I think the explanation I've seen is that he's running a very, very narrow definition of "public sector worker", possibly just being the civil servants that he is associated with rather than anyone else we consider to be one.

Ooooooooooooh. So like when I say "I am the smartest person on NSG", it is entirely true as long as I say it when there is literally no one else logged in? It's THAT kind of claim? Well, if he had just included that in his explanation and made sure everyone knows that he is not talking about the entire public sector, I am sure people wouldn't be thinking "what a dick".

[Vassenor]

Really? All those stories from the subcontinent about women getting acid attacked by rejected guys not sound familiar?

Which are stories from the subcontinent, in countries that are majority - as we would consider them in the UK - "BME" persons.

Which of course has lead to the usual crop of idiots patrolling the internet complaining that the media is refusing to blame Muslims for this happening.