UK Politics Thread VII: Wake me DUP inside [can't wake UUP]

[Ifreann]

If this runway at Heathrow gets built before I celebrate my 100th I will be shocked.

Re. moped crime why not just authorise police to use lethal weapons on any moped speeding with a balaclava over their face?

Cleaning people off the squad cars would be cost prohibitive.

[Trumptonium1]

If this runway at Heathrow gets built before I celebrate my 100th I will be shocked.

Its almost like having issues of vital national importance decided by a bunch of people whose only proof of competence is winning a popularity contest isn't a viable way of doing things in the 21st century.

Not an advocate of status quo democracy per se but other options are hardly more attractive.

The world in general stopped progressing around 1970s-1980s when it comes to infrastructure progress. Or the Western world in particular, if we exclude China et al. catching up. There were far fewer nimby's around in the 1940s-1980s as people accepted progress for greater economic good and the need for post-war reconstruction.

Maybe we just need another war tbh.

[Shamhnan Insir]

Its almost like having issues of vital national importance decided by a bunch of people whose only proof of competence is winning a popularity contest isn't a viable way of doing things in the 21st century.

Not an advocate of status quo democracy per se but other options are hardly more attractive.

The world in general stopped progressing around 1970s-1980s when it comes to infrastructure progress. Or the Western world in particular, if we exclude China et al. catching up. There were far fewer nimby's around in the 1940s-1980s as people accepted progress for greater economic good and the need for post-war reconstruction.

Maybe we just need another war tbh.

Another war is not unlikely. We have grown lazy and arrogant in absence of it, hence the degradation of unity between nations which at one point could have been considered friends. Nationalism is on the rise again, like the poisonous weed that it is. Throw in the compounding effects of a changing climate and we have a little firecracker waiting to go off somewhere.

[Neu Leonstein]

Can't vouch for how true this is, but there's some speculation that Corbyn is about to change tack to something that sounds an awful lot like continuing Single Market membership: https://twitter.com/hzeffman/status/1004038161289367552

EDIT: Actually... sounds like they're just bullshitting. Still playing that game where they refuse to come straight to voters what the options are and what decisions need to be made.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party seems to be meeting with less of a public outcry, than the anti-semitism in the Labour Party. Though it's a mistake to think the tories don't have a history of being anti-semitic too, Alan Clark and Harold McMillan were both deeply anti-semitic. Judging from some posters here, no doubt there is also Islamaphobia in the Labour Party too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44378791

This is a little strange given that there are about ten times as many Muslims in the UK as there are Jews.

[Vassenor]

Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party seems to be meeting with less of a public outcry, than the anti-semitism in the Labour Party. Though it's a mistake to think the tories don't have a history of being anti-semitic too, Alan Clark and Harold McMillan were both deeply anti-semitic. Judging from some posters here, no doubt there is also Islamaphobia in the Labour Party too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44378791

This is a little strange given that there are about ten times as many Muslims in the UK as there are Jews.

Probably because the Conservatives have more sympathisers in the media to bury stuff like this.

[An Alan Smithee Nation]

Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party seems to be meeting with less of a public outcry, than the anti-semitism in the Labour Party. Though it's a mistake to think the tories don't have a history of being anti-semitic too, Alan Clark and Harold McMillan were both deeply anti-semitic. Judging from some posters here, no doubt there is also Islamaphobia in the Labour Party too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44378791

This is a little strange given that there are about ten times as many Muslims in the UK as there are Jews.

Probably because the Conservatives have more sympathisers in the media to bury stuff like this.

I'm not sure that it is just that. I get the impression that some people think they are not equivalent things. Some may even think Islamaphobia might be a vote winner, in the way that anti-semitism used to be.

[Soviet-mongol]

Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party seems to be meeting with less of a public outcry, than the anti-semitism in the Labour Party. Though it's a mistake to think the tories don't have a history of being anti-semitic too, Alan Clark and Harold McMillan were both deeply anti-semitic. Judging from some posters here, no doubt there is also Islamaphobia in the Labour Party too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44378791

This is a little strange given that there are about ten times as many Muslims in the UK as there are Jews.

That is because UK is not tolerant enough so Islamophobia by the Torries goes under the radar.

[Dumb Ideologies]

I'm waiting for the Lib Dem parallel scandal. I wonder which religious group they're harbouring barely-concealed hatreds for. I'm imagining them sending Nick Clegg to serenade an Archdruid with his "I'm Sorry" song at Stonehenge.

[The Huskar Social Union]

I'm waiting for the Lib Dem parallel scandal. I wonder which religious group they're harbouring barely-concealed hatreds for. I'm imagining them sending Nick Clegg to serenade an Archdruid with his "I'm Sorry" song at Stonehenge.

Lib Dem HATRED of Norse Paganism confirmed, underground secret VIKING cult leader BJORN BJORNSON swears REVENGE upon Cable.

[Ostroeuropa]

Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party seems to be meeting with less of a public outcry, than the anti-semitism in the Labour Party. Though it's a mistake to think the tories don't have a history of being anti-semitic too, Alan Clark and Harold McMillan were both deeply anti-semitic. Judging from some posters here, no doubt there is also Islamaphobia in the Labour Party too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44378791

This is a little strange given that there are about ten times as many Muslims in the UK as there are Jews.

I don't buy it.
The religious often have persecution complexes. Notably they don't elaborate on what's "Islamophobic." very much, it could be that they're angry their religion isn't being actively catered to and being given special privileges, which would not be abnormal for religious lobbies to present as "Discrimination." (See US politics.)


Their example seems to be that they didn't no-platform someone critical of Islam, so these Tory Muslims probably get along better with progressive feminists than conservatives.

Further, I'm not impressed with muslim criticism of Islamophobia given the empirical studies showing Muslims harbor more prejudice against people than other westerners. (Pew survey.). They're more anti-semitic, more homophobic by far, and have more prejudice and stereotypes about Westerners than Westerners do about Muslims, when you poll these populations.

[Trumptonium1]

Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party seems to be meeting with less of a public outcry, than the anti-semitism in the Labour Party. Though it's a mistake to think the tories don't have a history of being anti-semitic too, Alan Clark and Harold McMillan were both deeply anti-semitic. Judging from some posters here, no doubt there is also Islamaphobia in the Labour Party too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44378791

This is a little strange given that there are about ten times as many Muslims in the UK as there are Jews.

Because one is more normal.

[Germanic Tropical Islands]

Is it true that EU citizens can go to college or unvserity free in scotland?

[Vassenor]

Is it true that EU citizens can go to college or unvserity free in scotland?

No. Only Scottish citizens can do that. Students from elsewhere in the UK or the EU have to pay.

[Germanic Tropical Islands]

Is it true that EU citizens can go to college or unvserity free in scotland?

No. Only Scottish citizens can do that. Students from elsewhere in the UK or the EU have to pay.

Oke i expected that.

[Dooom35796821595]

Is it true that EU citizens can go to college or unvserity free in scotland?

No. Only Scottish citizens can do that. Students from elsewhere in the UK or the EU have to pay.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/educ ... 90211.html

I was under the impression that only English students had to pay.

[Vassenor]

No. Only Scottish citizens can do that. Students from elsewhere in the UK or the EU have to pay.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/educ ... 90211.html

I was under the impression that only English students had to pay.

I was working from outdated information then.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/educ ... 90211.html

I was under the impression that only English students had to pay.

I was working from outdated information then.

What information was that, then?

[Vassenor]

I was working from outdated information then.

What information was that, then?

That Scottish universities were only free for Scottish students.

[Anywhere Else But Here]

What information was that, then?

That Scottish universities were only free for Scottish students.

And when and where did this information come from?

[Dooom35796821595]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44383819

So when the EU wants to boost spending on space, it involves at least one new organisation, and an attempt to bring the ESA under greater commission control. And I thought the WA was bad.

[Vassenor]

That Scottish universities were only free for Scottish students.

And when and where did this information come from?

Why exactly are you pushing me on this anyway?

[Anywhere Else But Here]

And when and where did this information come from?

Why exactly are you pushing me on this anyway?

Well, mainly I want you to admit that when you said you were working from outdated information, what you meant was "I did not know what I was talking about."

[Vassenor]

Why exactly are you pushing me on this anyway?

Well, mainly I want you to admit that when you said you were working from outdated information, what you meant was "I did not know what I was talking about."

I'm not your dancing monkey.

Besides from the sounds of things you've already come to that decision whether I say it or not.

[Tobleste]

Islamaphobia in the Conservative Party seems to be meeting with less of a public outcry, than the anti-semitism in the Labour Party. Though it's a mistake to think the tories don't have a history of being anti-semitic too, Alan Clark and Harold McMillan were both deeply anti-semitic. Judging from some posters here, no doubt there is also Islamaphobia in the Labour Party too.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-44378791

This is a little strange given that there are about ten times as many Muslims in the UK as there are Jews.

It's 2018. Antisemitism is (rightly) viewed as a serious red flag if not an immediate disqualifier in a politician. Islamaphobia on the other hand is seen as a valid political ideology and will net you about 20% of any western electorate, even if the only other ideas you have are mental.