Middle East Conflict Megathread (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc)

[Insaeldor]

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-withdraws-40-troops-from-nato-drill-in-norway-after-enemy-table-scandal-122571
Something stupid was done.

You'd thing Erdogan would take offense to insults against Ataturk consitering how often his pissed on his vision of turkey.

[The of Japan]

no, I am just making sure because there are some people who support iran for some reason, like it is any better. They are both terrible

Oh, Iran is pretty bad, but it is better than Saudi Arabia. That's for damn sure.

Iran did blow up our people in Beirut in 83, as well as other terrorist attacks, so that may affect the scoring.

[Insaeldor]

no, I am just making sure because there are some people who support iran for some reason, like it is any better. They are both terrible

Oh, Iran is pretty bad, but it is better than Saudi Arabia. That's for damn sure.

i fail to see how Hezbollah is any different than say Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham.

[Improved werpland]

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/turkey-withdraws-40-troops-from-nato-drill-in-norway-after-enemy-table-scandal-122571
Something stupid was done.

You'd thing Erdogan would take offense to insults against Ataturk consitering how often his pissed on his vision of turkey.

Recently he's shifted his rhetoric to being more praising of Ataturk. So this incident basically played into his hands.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Oh, Iran is pretty bad, but it is better than Saudi Arabia. That's for damn sure.

Iran did blow up our people in Beirut in 83, as well as other terrorist attacks, so that may affect the scoring.

Iran has elections. Iran allows women to vote and hold public office. Iran has more female college students than it does male ones. Iran guarantees representation for religious minorities in a country that is 99% Muslim. Saudi Arabia has none of these things. It doesn't have close to any of these things. Hell, women just gained the bloody right to drive in Saudi Arabia. Like I said, Iran is no angel. It is still ruled by a leader that I very much hope to see be replaced by someone far more progressive. It is still bad. But it is damn sure better than Saudi Arabia. Do you honestly believe otherwise?

Oh, Iran is pretty bad, but it is better than Saudi Arabia. That's for damn sure.

i fail to see how Hezbollah is any different than say Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham.

Have I said otherwise? All organisations that target innocent civilians in warfare are horrible and evil. All of them. Not only are they morally wrong at its most basic, they run contrary to the Will of Allah. These men who claim to be Muslim are munafiqun and go against their own first caliph who said:

"O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!

Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."

[The of Japan]

Iran did blow up our people in Beirut in 83, as well as other terrorist attacks, so that may affect the scoring.

Iran has elections. Iran allows women to vote and hold public office. Iran has more female college students than it does male ones. Iran guarantees representation for religious minorities in a country that is 99% Muslim. Saudi Arabia has none of these things. It doesn't have close to any of these things. Hell, women just gained the bloody right to drive in Saudi Arabia. Like I said, Iran is no angel. It is still ruled by a leader that I very much hope to see be replaced by someone far more progressive. It is still bad. But it is damn sure better than Saudi Arabia. Do you honestly believe otherwise?

i fail to see how Hezbollah is any different than say Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham.

Have I said otherwise? All organisations that target innocent civilians in warfare are horrible and evil. All of them. Not only are they morally wrong at its most basic, they run contrary to the Will of Allah. These men who claim to be Muslim are munafiqun and go against their own first caliph who said:

"O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!

Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."

Iran has elections, just like north korea has elections. doesn't mean these elections make them any more legitimate. source on more female college students than male ones? Iran has death penalty for apostasy. Saudi arabia doesn't have any elections, is worse on women's rights, and also is wahabbist. But Saudi arabia is at least friendly, and are not threatening to exterminate our ally, and are not calling us the big satan and chanting death to us.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Iran has elections. Iran allows women to vote and hold public office. Iran has more female college students than it does male ones. Iran guarantees representation for religious minorities in a country that is 99% Muslim. Saudi Arabia has none of these things. It doesn't have close to any of these things. Hell, women just gained the bloody right to drive in Saudi Arabia. Like I said, Iran is no angel. It is still ruled by a leader that I very much hope to see be replaced by someone far more progressive. It is still bad. But it is damn sure better than Saudi Arabia. Do you honestly believe otherwise?


Have I said otherwise? All organisations that target innocent civilians in warfare are horrible and evil. All of them. Not only are they morally wrong at its most basic, they run contrary to the Will of Allah. These men who claim to be Muslim are munafiqun and go against their own first caliph who said:

"O people! I charge you with ten rules; learn them well!

Stop, O people, that I may give you ten rules for your guidance in the battlefield. Do not commit treachery or deviate from the right path. You must not mutilate dead bodies. Neither kill a child, nor a woman, nor an aged man. Bring no harm to the trees, nor burn them with fire, especially those which are fruitful. Slay not any of the enemy's flock, save for your food. You are likely to pass by people who have devoted their lives to monastic services; leave them alone."

Iran has elections, just like north korea has elections. doesn't mean these elections make them any more legitimate. source on more female college students than male ones? Iran has death penalty for apostasy. Saudi arabia doesn't have any elections, is worse on women's rights, and also is wahabbist. But Saudi arabia is at least friendly, and are not threatening to exterminate our ally, and are not calling us the big satan and chanting death to us.

Bloody hell. You reveal your ignorance here greatly, mate. To compare Iran and the DPRK's elections is utter ridiculousness and if you knew anything on the subject, you'd be aware of this. First off, Iran's elections have several candidates. The last election in May had 4 and a voter turnout of 72%. There are numerous political parties in Iran. The UN has recognized the elections with Secretary-General António Guterres even congratulating President Rouhani on his victory.

Iran has the death penalty for apostasy, correct. So does Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia doesn't even recognize any other religions besides Islam, for fucks sake. You can't even be a Saudi citizen unless you are Muslim. Compare that to the Iranian Parliament, where religious minorities that make up a half percent of the population have reserved seats that amount to 4 times that percentage.

Sources on women enrolling more in college than men:

https://web.archive.org/web/20140805064 ... C%20female

Shavarini, Mitra K. (2005-01-01). "The Feminisation of Iranian Higher Education". International Review of Education / Internationale Zeitschrift für Erziehungswissenschaft / Revue Internationale de l'Education. 51 (4): 329–347, 331, 333, 334, 335. JSTOR 25054545

And so because one country is friendly to the US and the other is hostile to us, that automatically means they are better? Noriega was friendly to us for a while. The Shah was friendly to the US for 30 years. His SAVAK arrested political dissidents and tortured them by pulling out their fingernails and pouring boiling water down their rectums. They beat and arrested women in the streets for wearing the hijab (Note: I also oppose the hijab, but that does not justify their actions at all). He was a firm US ally for 30 years. He was put in power by a joint Anglo-American backed coup. His SAVAK, the same ones torturing people, were trained by those Israeli allies you love so much and the blessed CIA. You have no moral high-horse to argue down from about Iran calling for the downfall of America.

[Shurjah]

Oh, Iran is pretty bad, but it is better than Saudi Arabia. That's for damn sure.

i fail to see how Hezbollah is any different than say Hay'at Tahrir al-Sham.

Count the number of times Hayat has done attacks on anyone outside of Syria and compare that to Hezbillah and Iranian terrorist organizations. Hayat is not a perfect group but they are fighting to defend Arabs from Iranian occupation like Fatah. Hayat is no Saudi operation Jaysh Al Islam is a Saudi operation Tanzim Dowlah and Hayat are not.

[Shurjah]

No it is just Huthiyun dicks using human shields

You really do throw that argument around a lot. Any civilian casualties by your Wahhabi compatriots and Saddam are automatically because they were used by human shields, right? It is absolutely inconceivable that they would fuck up and hit civilians or target civilians, right? Impossible. They're good Sunni Arabs. They would never do that.

There two types of human shields one type is one who wants to be one in Palestine people be them to stop settlements from Israel and these should not be considered civilians in my opinion they choose the possibility of death the other type is one that cannot leave because of the oppressors are using their power to prevent them and they deserve mercy but it is not always possible to know their locations and it is easier to just bombared and drive out the enemy.

[Shurjah]

no, I am just making sure because there are some people who support iran for some reason, like it is any better. They are both terrible

Oh, Iran is pretty bad, but it is better than Saudi Arabia. That's for damn sure.

I never have seen KSA raid embassies and attack our holy sites and help invade our nations I do not like KSA they have very bad positions and cause in fighting in Arabs but at least they are Arab Muslims that are harsh on Iran. I admire that they are so heavy towards Iranian actions and belligrance because Iran is asking for a war and we need defenders of the Peninsula.

When they blockaded Qatar and accused Qatar of being Shiia I renounced it and denied Qatar is but after doing research it is hard to tell if KSA's true intentions is Arab unity and defense of Islam from the Iranian imperialism then yes I like KSA and I hope our forces here in Libya can unite to join other Arabs in the war on Huthiyun and Hezbillah.

[Bakery Hill]

Oh, Iran is pretty bad, but it is better than Saudi Arabia. That's for damn sure.

I never have seen KSA raid embassies and attack our holy sites and help invade our nations I do not like KSA they have very bad positions and cause in fighting in Arabs but at least they are Arab Muslims that are harsh on Iran. I admire that they are so heavy towards Iranian actions and belligrance because Iran is asking for a war and we need defenders of the Peninsula.

When they blockaded Qatar and accused Qatar of being Shiia I renounced it and denied Qatar is but after doing research it is hard to tell if KSA's true intentions is Arab unity and defense of Islam from the Iranian imperialism then yes I like KSA and I hope our forces here in Libya can unite to join other Arabs in the war on Huthiyun and Hezbillah.

As a rule, such noble and idealistic intentions are rarely what drives states. Much less the corrupt and sprawling Saudi monarchy.

[Shurjah]

I never have seen KSA raid embassies and attack our holy sites and help invade our nations I do not like KSA they have very bad positions and cause in fighting in Arabs but at least they are Arab Muslims that are harsh on Iran. I admire that they are so heavy towards Iranian actions and belligrance because Iran is asking for a war and we need defenders of the Peninsula.

When they blockaded Qatar and accused Qatar of being Shiia I renounced it and denied Qatar is but after doing research it is hard to tell if KSA's true intentions is Arab unity and defense of Islam from the Iranian imperialism then yes I like KSA and I hope our forces here in Libya can unite to join other Arabs in the war on Huthiyun and Hezbillah.

As a rule, such noble and idealistic intentions are rarely what drives states. Much less the corrupt and sprawling Saudi monarchy.

I do not believe this their pure intention but I do have sucipions about Qatar Iran is being very nice with them

[Bakery Hill]

As a rule, such noble and idealistic intentions are rarely what drives states. Much less the corrupt and sprawling Saudi monarchy.

I do not believe this their pure intention but I do have sucipions about Qatar Iran is being very nice with them

I don't think anyone at the top particularly cares about faith and unity. Qatar has always been far closer to Turkey than Iran at any rate as both states want to spread Muslim Brotherhood style parliamentary-based Islamic democracy that is the enemy of monarchical states like Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the Gulf Emirs. For all their protestations of Sunni unity I'm under the impression that their forces fight each other openly in Libya, and their governments repress each others activists and agents.

[Shurjah]

I do not believe this their pure intention but I do have sucipions about Qatar Iran is being very nice with them

I don't think anyone at the top particularly cares about faith and unity. Qatar has always been far closer to Turkey than Iran at any rate as both states want to spread Muslim Brotherhood style parliamentary-based Islamic democracy that is the enemy of monarchical states like Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the Gulf Emirs. For all their protestations of Sunni unity I'm under the impression that their forces fight each other openly in Libya, and their governments repress each others activists and agents.

I understand this that they likely don't care but the root of our issues is in the divisions in faith because of Iran they are like the Nazis and their groups are like Nazi armies and battalions and the Ikhwan are also a bad organization that cause issues everywhere and Iran hijacks them constantly even in Egypt and here in Libya because Iran wants to dominate us so naturally they will have spies among the Arabs that will cause us to fight one another to ruin us as a people

[Alsheb]

Daesh has been driven out of pretty much all of Iraq, and in Syria the combined forces of the Syrian Arab Army, Hezbollah and the Revolutionary Guard are pommeling whatever is left of Daesh in Abu Kamal by basically shooting them point blanc with heavy artillery.

Now that was some good news to wake up to.

[Nevada Communes]

Perhaps I may be derailing the conversation somewhat, but I'd personally like to stay better informed on Middle Eastern developments. Other than my usual BBC and NYT, what are some better and more reliable news outlets closer to the ground?

Thank you

[Pilarcraft]

This is pretty much the best news I've heard this week, after all the earthquakes, the sudden cold, and then the fucking hostilities between Iran, Lebanon, and Saudi Arabia.

[Alsheb]

Perhaps I may be derailing the conversation somewhat, but I'd personally like to stay better informed on Middle Eastern developments. Other than my usual BBC and NYT, what are some better and more reliable news outlets closer to the ground?

Thank you

Al-Masdar News is an excellent news source. They have sources directly on the scene, and get footage straight from Syria, Iraq and Yemen often before mainstream media outlets do.

[Bakery Hill]

Perhaps I may be derailing the conversation somewhat, but I'd personally like to stay better informed on Middle Eastern developments. Other than my usual BBC and NYT, what are some better and more reliable news outlets closer to the ground?

Thank you

Al-Masdar News is an excellent news source. They have sources directly on the scene, and get footage straight from Syria, Iraq and Yemen often before mainstream media outlets do.

Only Al-Masdar speaks the truth about the Lion of Syria.

[Bakery Hill]

I don't think anyone at the top particularly cares about faith and unity. Qatar has always been far closer to Turkey than Iran at any rate as both states want to spread Muslim Brotherhood style parliamentary-based Islamic democracy that is the enemy of monarchical states like Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the Gulf Emirs. For all their protestations of Sunni unity I'm under the impression that their forces fight each other openly in Libya, and their governments repress each others activists and agents.

I understand this that they likely don't care but the root of our issues is in the divisions in faith because of Iran they are like the Nazis and their groups are like Nazi armies and battalions and the Ikhwan are also a bad organization that cause issues everywhere and Iran hijacks them constantly even in Egypt and here in Libya because Iran wants to dominate us so naturally they will have spies among the Arabs that will cause us to fight one another to ruin us as a people

I don't think the Iranians are the root of all evil.

[Alsheb]

Al-Masdar News is an excellent news source. They have sources directly on the scene, and get footage straight from Syria, Iraq and Yemen often before mainstream media outlets do.

Only Al-Masdar speaks the truth about the Lion of Syria.

[Alsheb]

I understand this that they likely don't care but the root of our issues is in the divisions in faith because of Iran they are like the Nazis and their groups are like Nazi armies and battalions and the Ikhwan are also a bad organization that cause issues everywhere and Iran hijacks them constantly even in Egypt and here in Libya because Iran wants to dominate us so naturally they will have spies among the Arabs that will cause us to fight one another to ruin us as a people

I don't think the Iranians are the root of all evil.

Without Iran, I'd wager there wouldn't even be a Lebanon, Iraq or Syria anymore. The Israelis would have overrun them all.

[Bakery Hill]

I don't think the Iranians are the root of all evil.

Without Iran, I'd wager there wouldn't even be a Lebanon, Iraq or Syria anymore. The Israelis would have overrun them all.

I would doubt that, regardless of the IDF's effectiveness and America aide, the overreach would destroy the nation and bring down whatever government was in place. Israel had a hard time occupying Lebanon alone, Syria and then Iraq would be nigh impossible on top of that.

[Alsheb]

Without Iran, I'd wager there wouldn't even be a Lebanon, Iraq or Syria anymore. The Israelis would have overrun them all.

I would doubt that, regardless of the IDF's effectiveness and America aide, the overreach would destroy the nation and bring down whatever government was in place. Israel had a hard time occupying Lebanon alone, Syria and then Iraq would be nigh impossible on top of that.

If not the IDF itself, their proxies in Daesh and Al Qaeda might have destroyed those nations.

[Aellex]

If not the IDF itself, their proxies in Daesh and Al Qaeda might have destroyed those nations.

"Their proxies in DAESH", ah yes. The "Eternal Jew" nazi meme, truly never getting old.