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What faction(s) do you support in the Syrian civil war? Check any that apply

Syrian government/SAA
98
18%
Syrian Democratic Forces/YPG
124
22%
Tahrir al-Sham (Nusra)
10
2%
Ahrar al-Sham/other opposition
14
3%
Turkey/TFSA
20
4%
ISIS
17
3%
Hezbollah
40
7%
Russia
55
10%
United States/NATO/Israel
130
23%
Iran
49
9%
 
Total votes : 557

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Postby Shurjah » Thu Nov 16, 2017 9:49 am

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Shurjah wrote:No because the only people rebelling were Kurds and they rebel everyday regaurdless of Saddam, Maliki or their old King before either of them and the other rebels were Iranian terrorists.

Here in Libya it was everyone rebelling army, store owners farmers


Your "rebels" were foreign Wahhabis and NATO airforces.

Kids I grew up playing football with are foreigners? And where do you live Mr.Qaddafi if foreigners want to come here and fight Qaddafi and Haftar they have my welcome a foreigner fighting for justice is better than the local pig oppressing.

Also why do you not speak of those black and european mercanerieis he hired to murder people
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Postby Nioya » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:39 am

This is my friend's list

"Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Iran, Palestine (Hamas side), Israel, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine (Fatah side)"

And his reasoning is

"Shariah and slavery for most of them, Arabia and Yemen are the most strict sharia, Bahrain, Qatar and UAE are lighter but have huge amounts of slaves"
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:51 am

Nioya wrote:This is my friend's list

"Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Iran, Palestine (Hamas side), Israel, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine (Fatah side)"

And his reasoning is

"Shariah and slavery for most of them, Arabia and Yemen are the most strict sharia, Bahrain, Qatar and UAE are lighter but have huge amounts of slaves"

What? Yemen doesn't even have a legitimate and functioning government right now.
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Postby Shurjah » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:52 am

Nioya wrote:This is my friend's list

"Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Iran, Palestine (Hamas side), Israel, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine (Fatah side)"

And his reasoning is

"Shariah and slavery for most of them, Arabia and Yemen are the most strict sharia, Bahrain, Qatar and UAE are lighter but have huge amounts of slaves"

They are not slaves they are workers they can stay in India if they hate the work
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:52 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Can't this same logic be applied to the rebels and Saddam? Why would they have rebelled if Saddam was a good leader?

The South rebelled, was Lincoln a bad leader?

Read context, Pret. I didn't make that initial claim. Shurjah did. I was pointing out how it was contradictory to what he previously said.
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Postby Shurjah » Thu Nov 16, 2017 10:53 am

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Nioya wrote:This is my friend's list

"Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Iran, Palestine (Hamas side), Israel, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine (Fatah side)"

And his reasoning is

"Shariah and slavery for most of them, Arabia and Yemen are the most strict sharia, Bahrain, Qatar and UAE are lighter but have huge amounts of slaves"

What? Yemen doesn't even have a legitimate and functioning government right now.

Shariah is in Yemeni law and the Huthiyun movement enforce their religious laws too
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Postby Nioya » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:00 am

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Nioya wrote:This is my friend's list

"Arabia, Yemen, Qatar, Bahrain, UAE, Oman, Iran, Palestine (Hamas side), Israel, Syria, Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, Palestine (Fatah side)"

And his reasoning is

"Shariah and slavery for most of them, Arabia and Yemen are the most strict sharia, Bahrain, Qatar and UAE are lighter but have huge amounts of slaves"

What? Yemen doesn't even have a legitimate and functioning government right now.

The thing that annoyed me is he put Saudi above Israel.

I said to me it's like this

Worst thing israel does: raids palestinian cities and uses children as human shields

Worst thing saudi arabia does: doesn't let women drive.

Then he said "Saudi Arabia does the same in Yemen, Indiscriminate bombing"
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:02 am

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:The South rebelled, was Lincoln a bad leader?

Read context, Pret. I didn't make that initial claim. Shurjah did. I was pointing out how it was contradictory to what he previously said.

Maybe I think the South should've won.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:26 am

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Read context, Pret. I didn't make that initial claim. Shurjah did. I was pointing out how it was contradictory to what he previously said.

Maybe I think the South should've won.

I can't say I'd be surprised. :p
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Postby The of Japan » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:43 am

Nioya wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:What? Yemen doesn't even have a legitimate and functioning government right now.

The thing that annoyed me is he put Saudi above Israel.

I said to me it's like this

Worst thing israel does: raids palestinian cities and uses children as human shields

Worst thing saudi arabia does: doesn't let women drive.

Then he said "Saudi Arabia does the same in Yemen, Indiscriminate bombing"

It’s a little more than not allowing women to drive
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Thu Nov 16, 2017 12:04 pm

Nioya wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:What? Yemen doesn't even have a legitimate and functioning government right now.

The thing that annoyed me is he put Saudi above Israel.

I said to me it's like this

Worst thing israel does: raids palestinian cities and uses children as human shields

Worst thing saudi arabia does: doesn't let women drive.

Then he said "Saudi Arabia does the same in Yemen, Indiscriminate bombing"

He has a point. It's not necessarily as bad as Israel's crimes, but it's still bad. 13,000 civilians have died in the Saudi intervention.
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Postby Shurjah » Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:54 pm

Nioya wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:What? Yemen doesn't even have a legitimate and functioning government right now.

The thing that annoyed me is he put Saudi above Israel.

I said to me it's like this

Worst thing israel does: raids palestinian cities and uses children as human shields

Worst thing saudi arabia does: doesn't let women drive.

Then he said "Saudi Arabia does the same in Yemen, Indiscriminate bombing"

The Arab war in Yemen is justified and though I hate Haftar and Thani I am happy that they joined the Islamic Military Alliance.
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Postby Alsheb » Thu Nov 16, 2017 11:54 pm

Shurjah wrote:
Nioya wrote:The thing that annoyed me is he put Saudi above Israel.

I said to me it's like this

Worst thing israel does: raids palestinian cities and uses children as human shields

Worst thing saudi arabia does: doesn't let women drive.

Then he said "Saudi Arabia does the same in Yemen, Indiscriminate bombing"

The Arab war in Yemen is justified and though I hate Haftar and Thani I am happy that they joined the Islamic Military Alliance.


How on earth can the war on Yemen be justified? The Saudis are killing 130 Yemeni children every single fucking day. And for no reason whatsoever.
Yemen never attacked Saudi Arabia, never even killed a single Saudi before the 2015 invasion.

The Saudi attack on Yemen is a goddamn genocide of similar magnitude to the Mongol hordes invading Baghdad in 1258.
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Postby Shurjah » Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:58 am

Alsheb wrote:
Shurjah wrote:The Arab war in Yemen is justified and though I hate Haftar and Thani I am happy that they joined the Islamic Military Alliance.


How on earth can the war on Yemen be justified? The Saudis are killing 130 Yemeni children every single fucking day. And for no reason whatsoever.
Yemen never attacked Saudi Arabia, never even killed a single Saudi before the 2015 invasion.

The Saudi attack on Yemen is a goddamn genocide of similar magnitude to the Mongol hordes invading Baghdad in 1258.

This is a joke coming from the same guy who says people I know that fought Qaddafi are foreigners
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Postby The of Japan » Fri Nov 17, 2017 9:39 am

Alsheb wrote:
Shurjah wrote:The Arab war in Yemen is justified and though I hate Haftar and Thani I am happy that they joined the Islamic Military Alliance.


How on earth can the war on Yemen be justified? The Saudis are killing 130 Yemeni children every single fucking day. And for no reason whatsoever.
Yemen never attacked Saudi Arabia, never even killed a single Saudi before the 2015 invasion.

The Saudi attack on Yemen is a goddamn genocide of similar magnitude to the Mongol hordes invading Baghdad in 1258.

Saudi Arabia’s air campaign is mainly against civilians, but 130 children a day seems a high estimate. Source!
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Postby Alsheb » Fri Nov 17, 2017 11:01 am

The of Japan wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
How on earth can the war on Yemen be justified? The Saudis are killing 130 Yemeni children every single fucking day. And for no reason whatsoever.
Yemen never attacked Saudi Arabia, never even killed a single Saudi before the 2015 invasion.

The Saudi attack on Yemen is a goddamn genocide of similar magnitude to the Mongol hordes invading Baghdad in 1258.

Saudi Arabia’s air campaign is mainly against civilians, but 130 children a day seems a high estimate. Source!

The source is the NGO Save the Children. Most of them die due to disease and malnutrition caused by the Saudi total blockade of Yemen which has caused the country to run out of most medicine and food.
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Postby Shurjah » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:56 pm

Alsheb wrote:
The of Japan wrote:Saudi Arabia’s air campaign is mainly against civilians, but 130 children a day seems a high estimate. Source!

The source is the NGO Save the Children. Most of them die due to disease and malnutrition caused by the Saudi total blockade of Yemen which has caused the country to run out of most medicine and food.

That is bullshit they are not related
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Postby Shurjah » Fri Nov 17, 2017 1:57 pm

The of Japan wrote:
Alsheb wrote:
How on earth can the war on Yemen be justified? The Saudis are killing 130 Yemeni children every single fucking day. And for no reason whatsoever.
Yemen never attacked Saudi Arabia, never even killed a single Saudi before the 2015 invasion.

The Saudi attack on Yemen is a goddamn genocide of similar magnitude to the Mongol hordes invading Baghdad in 1258.

Saudi Arabia’s air campaign is mainly against civilians, but 130 children a day seems a high estimate. Source!

No it is just Huthiyun dicks using human shields
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:19 pm

Shurjah wrote:
The of Japan wrote:Saudi Arabia’s air campaign is mainly against civilians, but 130 children a day seems a high estimate. Source!

No it is just Huthiyun dicks using human shields

You really do throw that argument around a lot. Any civilian casualties by your Wahhabi compatriots and Saddam are automatically because they were used by human shields, right? It is absolutely inconceivable that they would fuck up and hit civilians or target civilians, right? Impossible. They're good Sunni Arabs. They would never do that.
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Postby Saiwania » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:20 pm

ISIS really is finished, the last towns in Syria and Iraq are collapsing. Iraq and Syria's militaries are taking the final victory.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/17/middleeas ... index.html
http://www.newsweek.com/war-syria-assad ... ing-705927
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Postby The of Japan » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:27 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
Shurjah wrote:No it is just Huthiyun dicks using human shields

You really do throw that argument around a lot. Any civilian casualties by your Wahhabi compatriots and Saddam are automatically because they were used by human shields, right? It is absolutely inconceivable that they would fuck up and hit civilians or target civilians, right? Impossible. They're good Sunni Arabs. They would never do that.

both Saudi arabia and iran are bad.
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:29 pm

The of Japan wrote:
United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:You really do throw that argument around a lot. Any civilian casualties by your Wahhabi compatriots and Saddam are automatically because they were used by human shields, right? It is absolutely inconceivable that they would fuck up and hit civilians or target civilians, right? Impossible. They're good Sunni Arabs. They would never do that.

both Saudi arabia and iran are bad.

Have I said any different?
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Postby The of Japan » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:31 pm

United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:
The of Japan wrote:both Saudi arabia and iran are bad.

Have I said any different?

no, I am just making sure because there are some people who support iran for some reason, like it is any better. They are both terrible
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Postby United Islamic Commonwealth » Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:33 pm

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United Islamic Commonwealth wrote:Have I said any different?

no, I am just making sure because there are some people who support iran for some reason, like it is any better. They are both terrible

Oh, Iran is pretty bad, but it is better than Saudi Arabia. That's for damn sure.
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