Middle East Conflict Megathread (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc)

[Shurjah]

there's a possibility of another earthquake between 12-3 (it means 8:30-11:30 GMT) in Tehran.
god dammit I'm so stressed.

Looks like Iran is facing God's retribution for its crimes

[Pilarcraft]

there's a possibility of another earthquake between 12-3 (it means 8:30-11:30 GMT) in Tehran.
god dammit I'm so stressed.

Looks like Iran is facing God's retribution for its crimes

so is Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait, Turkey, Armenia, and probably by now Syria. but sure. let's concentrate on Iran.

[Shurjah]

Looks like Iran is facing God's retribution for its crimes

so is Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Qatar, Kuwait, Turkey, Armenia, and probably by now Syria. but sure. let's concentrate on Iran.

Iraq is an Iran's bitch, as for KSA they are have done plenty of corrupt things, Qatar can't say much same with Turkey as for Armenia I have heard of their hatred for Turks and Arabs and Islam and Assad is another Iranian sellout.

[Ile des Canaries de Cerda]

1. Saying I'm wrong and that there are Holocaust denying-Jews that aren't anti-Semites doesn't make either remotely true.

I'm not the one making things up to defend my Holocaust denying friends and idols.

3.

President Nasser of Egypt in a notorious interview with the editor of the neo-Nazi Deutsche Soldaten und National Zeitung, published on 1 May 1964, insisted that 'No one, not even the simplest man in our country, takes seriously the lie about six million Jews who were murdered'.

And this is from 2014. The number was almost certainly higher in Nasser's time.

1. But you're wrong, and the burden of proof is on you. You're making the claim that you MUST be an anti-Semite to deny the holocaust, but you have yet to provide any tangible evidence. What are you implying? That I'm lying? Welp, I was waiting for this. David Cole is a fairly prominent example, mentioned in Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things, in which he [Michael] says...
... he proudly displays his Jewish heritage while simultaneously denying its most significant modern historical event.
Heh, Cole says "[Jewish organizations] are a little harder on me because I'm Jewish."
The book also says that
He has been called a self-hating Jew, antisemitic and race traitor...
3. Cool, he doesn't believe in the Holocaust. I find it funny, that the same source you used, also says this...
Revisionists include Muslims, leftists, Jews, and Christians, she said, and many revisionists have been fined, fired from their jobs, socially ostracized, and even assassinated for their dissident views on the Holocaust.

A survey from 2014, that has a sample space of 500 Egyptians. That's 0.00102%. Color me convinced.

[Collatis]

1. But you're wrong, and the burden of proof is on you. You're making the claim that you MUST be an anti-Semite to deny the holocaust, but you have yet to provide any tangible evidence. What are you implying? That I'm lying? Welp, I was waiting for this. David Cole is a fairly prominent example, mentioned in Michael Shermer's Why People Believe Weird Things, in which he [Michael] says...
... he proudly displays his Jewish heritage while simultaneously denying its most significant modern historical event.
Heh, Cole says "[Jewish organizations] are a little harder on me because I'm Jewish."
The book also says that
He has been called a self-hating Jew, antisemitic and race traitor...

It's cute that you think saying I'm wrong is an argument. The Holocaust is historical fact with conclusive evidence and tens of thousands of witnesses showing so. The far-right advocates for pseudo-history for a reason. Holocaust denial has a clear and well documented motive: antisemitism. Denying the Holocaust is a purely anti-Semitic diatribe. We can say that Holocaust denial is antisemitic the same way that we can label other conspiracy theories as bigoted when they are so consistently and demonstrably bigoted. We can say that birtherism is racist. It doesn't matter if there supposedly are birthers who are black. That does nothing to change that the conspiracy theory is fundamentally bigoted. There were Jews who allied themselves with the Nazis, so I really do find it hilarious that you think the existence of Jewish deniers somehow proves anything.

3. Cool, he doesn't believe in the Holocaust. I find it funny, that the same source you used, also says this...
Revisionists include Muslims, leftists, Jews, and Christians, she said, and many revisionists have been fined, fired from their jobs, socially ostracized, and even assassinated for their dissident views on the Holocaust.

Notice that bolded part? "She said"? Yeah, that's the article quoting a Holocaust denier.

A survey from 2014, that has a sample space of 500 Egyptians. That's 0.00102%. Color me convinced.

So you know nothing about public polling. Okay. That's not far from the average sample size, the margin of error is +/-4.4%, and once the survey sample gets to a size of 500 there are few accuracy gains which come from increasing the sample size.

[Ile des Canaries de Cerda]

It's cute that you think saying I'm wrong is an argument. The Holocaust is historical fact with conclusive evidence and tens of thousands of witnesses showing so. The far-right advocates for pseudo-history for a reason. Holocaust denial has a clear and well documented motive: antisemitism. Denying the Holocaust is a purely anti-Semitic diatribe. We can say that Holocaust denial is antisemitic the same way that we can label other conspiracy theories as bigoted when they are so consistently and demonstrably bigoted. We can say that birtherism is racist. It doesn't matter if there supposedly are birthers who are black. That does nothing to change that the conspiracy theory is fundamentally bigoted. There were Jews who allied themselves with the Nazis, so I really do find it hilarious that you think the existence of Jewish deniers somehow proves anything.

Notice that bolded part? "She said"? Yeah, that's the article quoting a Holocaust denier.

So you know nothing about public polling. Okay. That's not far from the average sample size, the margin of error is +/-4.4%, and once the survey sample gets to a size of 500 there are few accuracy gains which come from increasing the sample size.

You claim that all Holocaust Deniers are anti-Semites. I show this is wrong, by providing a prominent example of a Jewish denier in a respected skeptics book that details a whole section debunking the denial, and yet because Holocaust Denial is usually attributed to far-right anti-Semites, every denier must be an anti-Semite, damn the facts. Now you're shifting goalposts to saying that the conspiracy is fundamentally bigoted.

Also, trash comparison, considering that being allied to Nazism is not the same thing as being a Nazi. Kinda funny how you missed that.

Ehh, I don't doubt her, but I admit it's not reliable evidence.

I don't trust public polling. It's projecting the thoughts of 500 over several million people.

[Collatis]

You claim that all Holocaust Deniers are anti-Semites. I show this is wrong, by providing a prominent example of a Jewish denier in a respected skeptics book that details a whole section debunking the denial, and yet because Holocaust Denial is usually attributed to far-right anti-Semites, every denier must be an anti-Semite, damn the facts. Now you're shifting goalposts to saying that the conspiracy is fundamentally bigoted.

Once again, the existence of Jews denying the Holocaust does nothing to prove that they are not antisemites. I could give you plenty of examples of Jews who are anti-Semites.

How on Earth is that shifting the goalposts? Holocaust denial is antisemitic because Holocaust denial is fundamentally bigoted.

Also, trash comparison, considering that being allied to Nazism is not the same thing as being a Nazi. Kinda funny how you missed that.

The example shows how some Jews have worked to further antisemitic goals and have held antisemitic views, so clearly being Jewish alone is not evidence of a lack of antisemitism.

Ehh, I don't doubt her, but I admit it's not reliable evidence.

Glad we agree on that.

I don't trust public polling. It's projecting the thoughts of 500 over several million people.

Then your beef is with public polling as a whole, and that debate belongs in a different thread (although one could argue that this debate belongs in a different thread, but oh well).

[Ile des Canaries de Cerda]

Once again, the existence of Jews denying the Holocaust does nothing to prove that they are not antisemites. I could give you plenty of examples of Jews who are anti-Semites.

Did you even read my quotes about David Cole? Michael Shermer says that David Cole is PROUD of his Jewish heritage. What anti-Semite Jew is proud of their heritage?

I'm going to end the argument here, mainly because we're getting nowhere. I don't believe that Holocaust Denial is in itself anti-Semitic, whereas you do. Neither of us is going to convince the other. Agree to disagree?

[Collatis]

Once again, the existence of Jews denying the Holocaust does nothing to prove that they are not antisemites. I could give you plenty of examples of Jews who are anti-Semites.

Did you even read my quotes about David Cole? Michael Shermer says that David Cole is PROUD of his Jewish heritage. What anti-Semite Jew is proud of their heritage?

I think it's pretty clear that Cole is using his Jewishness as a tool to advance a dangerous agenda.

I'm going to end the argument here, mainly because we're getting nowhere. I don't believe that Holocaust Denial is in itself anti-Semitic, whereas you do. Neither of us is going to convince the other. Agree to disagree?

Better than arguing forever, I suppose.

[Ile des Canaries de Cerda]

I think it's pretty clear that Cole is using his Jewishness as a tool to advance a dangerous agenda.

Funnily enough, he knows that. He said that he was in a damned-if-you-do, damned-if-you-don't situation.

Fail to announce his heritage, and he was accused of being ashamed. Mention it, and he was exploiting it.

[Shurjah]

Did you even read my quotes about David Cole? Michael Shermer says that David Cole is PROUD of his Jewish heritage. What anti-Semite Jew is proud of their heritage?

I think it's pretty clear that Cole is using his Jewishness as a tool to advance a dangerous agenda.

I'm going to end the argument here, mainly because we're getting nowhere. I don't believe that Holocaust Denial is in itself anti-Semitic, whereas you do. Neither of us is going to convince the other. Agree to disagree?

Better than arguing forever, I suppose.

6 million is an exaggeration there's no way the camps held that many or that many Jews existed

Nassr was shit total shit as was Qaddafi but he was right about this.

[Shurjah]

Syrian "Democratic" Forces member has defected to the Turkish coalition
https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/930716413492453376

[Alsheb]

Syrian "Democratic" Forces member has defected to the Turkish coalition
https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/930716413492453376

He defected to the Turks? Bizarre.

[Shurjah]

Syrian "Democratic" Forces member has defected to the Turkish coalition
https://twitter.com/Dalatrm/status/930716413492453376

He defected to the Turks? Bizarre.

Syrian "Democratic" Forces are bullshit assholes

[Shurjah]

https://syria.chathamhouse.org/research ... side-syria
Iranian Safawi imperialism in Syria, Syria is Arab and will remain Arab

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

https://syria.chathamhouse.org/research/iran-is-building-a-new-source-of-shia-influence-inside-syria
Iranian Safawi imperialism in Syria, Syria is Arab and will remain Arab

>Links article about religious influences
>Brings race into it

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Lol what? Didn't you literally just say the Kurds should have fled? Isn't this kind of counter-intuitive?

Flee to Mosul or Baghdad or even Turkey or surrender to Saddam all he did was teach them Arabic but instead of accepting something simple they murdered and waged war they brought this on theirselves.

Multiculturalism is a workable thing but when one party is hostile and fights every step it is obviously impossible.

That doesn't answer my question. You said people shouldn't flee. Now, you are saying they should. Make up your mind.

[Shurjah]

https://syria.chathamhouse.org/research/iran-is-building-a-new-source-of-shia-influence-inside-syria
Iranian Safawi imperialism in Syria, Syria is Arab and will remain Arab

>Links article about religious influences
>Brings race into it

Shiism is an Iranian product and Assad loves Iran raping him with militias and all this and the shrines have their architecture it is Iran's army fighting in Syria against Arab Muslims.

[Shurjah]

Flee to Mosul or Baghdad or even Turkey or surrender to Saddam all he did was teach them Arabic but instead of accepting something simple they murdered and waged war they brought this on theirselves.

Multiculturalism is a workable thing but when one party is hostile and fights every step it is obviously impossible.

That doesn't answer my question. You said people shouldn't flee. Now, you are saying they should. Make up your mind.

They shouldn't flee to Europe they should help their nations Kurdistan in Iraq is Iraq so they should have helped Saddam and Iraqi army.

[Kubumba Tribe]

>Links article about religious influences
>Brings race into it

Shiism is an Iranian product and Assad loves Iran raping him with militias and all this and the shrines have their architecture it is Iran's army fighting in Syria against Arab Muslims.

You don't consider Shi'as Muslim, huh?

[Shurjah]

Shiism is an Iranian product and Assad loves Iran raping him with militias and all this and the shrines have their architecture it is Iran's army fighting in Syria against Arab Muslims.

You don't consider Shi'as Muslim, huh?

No there is a concenous about this from all Muslims every Imam says this every Imam I've never heard a Sheykh or Imam or Mufti say otherwise

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

>Links article about religious influences
>Brings race into it

Shiism is an Iranian product and Assad loves Iran raping him with militias and all this and the shrines have their architecture it is Iran's army fighting in Syria against Arab Muslims.

>Shiism is an Iranian product
>Named after the Arab son-in-law of the Prophet (pbuh)

That doesn't answer my question. You said people shouldn't flee. Now, you are saying they should. Make up your mind.

They shouldn't flee to Europe they should help their nations Kurdistan in Iraq is Iraq so they should have helped Saddam and Iraqi army.

Like hell they should have helped Saddam and Iraqi army. Why would they support an unjust Iraqi invasion of Iran?

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

You don't consider Shi'as Muslim, huh?

No there is a concenous about this from all Muslims every Imam says this every Imam I've never heard a Sheykh or Imam or Mufti say otherwise

Tfw 12 of the signers of the Amman Message are Shia and the 14 Sunni signers agreed that they were Muslim.

[Shurjah]

Shiism is an Iranian product and Assad loves Iran raping him with militias and all this and the shrines have their architecture it is Iran's army fighting in Syria against Arab Muslims.

>Shiism is an Iranian product
>Named after the Arab son-in-law of the Prophet (pbuh)

They shouldn't flee to Europe they should help their nations Kurdistan in Iraq is Iraq so they should have helped Saddam and Iraqi army.

Like hell they should have helped Saddam and Iraqi army. Why would they support an unjust Iraqi invasion of Iran?

Because that is their country do you know the laws about obeying your leaders? Saddam Hussein At Tikritee was a Muslim ruler who ruled in an Islamic matter he sought to unite our people and he sought to continue our legacy of Qadisiyah and unite our Arab brothers in Ahwaz while taking oil to benefit the economy he never did anything to make him unmuslim or to bring disgrace to Iraqis he even brought peace to Kurdistan by making the Kurdistan Regional Government. Saddam was not a dog or slave like Abadi or Maliki.

[Shurjah]

No there is a concenous about this from all Muslims every Imam says this every Imam I've never heard a Sheykh or Imam or Mufti say otherwise

Tfw 12 of the signers of the Amman Message are Shia and the 14 Sunni signers agreed that they were Muslim.

Amman message is a joke no one takes it seriously ask anyone here they will either ask what that is or laugh