Middle East Conflict Megathread (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc)

[United Muscovite Nations]

The only source that the Douma chemical attack even happened is the White Helmets, who are a known Jihadist affiliate.

1. The White Helmets are not a jihadist group. That claim is perpetrated by Bashar al-Assad's regime and by Russia, which are by no means reliable news sources.
2. The Syrian American Medical Society (SAMS) also reported the attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgOnD0n9uw

^White Helmets aiding in a Jihadist execution.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

1. The White Helmets are not a jihadist group. That claim is perpetrated by Bashar al-Assad's regime and by Russia, which are by no means reliable news sources.
2. The Syrian American Medical Society (SAMS) also reported the attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgOnD0n9uw

^White Helmets aiding in a Jihadist execution.

These are isolated incidents not representing their leadership. For once, do some independent research away from pro-Russia and pro-Assad sources (which have subjected the White Helmets to a massive disinformation campaign)

[United Muscovite Nations]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgOnD0n9uw

^White Helmets aiding in a Jihadist execution.

These are isolated incidents not representing their leadership. For once, do some independent research away from pro-Russia and pro-Assad sources (which have subjected the White Helmets to a massive disinformation campaign)

The White Helmets are by their nature a grass-roots organization whose leadership has little control over the organization. If you can't prevent your members from actively helping Jihadists murder people, then your organization is effectively defunct.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

These are isolated incidents not representing their leadership. For once, do some independent research away from pro-Russia and pro-Assad sources (which have subjected the White Helmets to a massive disinformation campaign)

The White Helmets are by their nature a grass-roots organization whose leadership has little control over the organization. If you can't prevent your members from actively helping Jihadists murder people, then your organization is effectively defunct.

The White Helmets are a largely impartial organisation in the sense that they do not take sides in the civil war.

[Alsheb]

Oh God. Oh God. There are literally still people who fall for the "muh chemical weapons" lie?

Please give me credible sources (the only source I've been given was one from RT, which is the Russian government's propaganda machine) that the Douma chemical attack, and 84 other chemical attacks during the Syrian Civil War documented by Human Rights Watch, never happened.

That's not how this works. You've got to prove that it happened and that Assad was behind it. There has never been any evidence for this given at all. In fact, Syria didn't even have any chemical weapons anymore by that time, as documented by the OPCW.

[Alsheb]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPgOnD0n9uw

^White Helmets aiding in a Jihadist execution.

These are isolated incidents not representing their leadership. For once, do some independent research away from pro-Russia and pro-Assad sources (which have subjected the White Helmets to a massive disinformation campaign)

The White Helmets were founded by the British and have a leader who is not even allowed into the US on account of him being a terrorist. Enough said.

[Alsheb]

The White Helmets are by their nature a grass-roots organization whose leadership has little control over the organization. If you can't prevent your members from actively helping Jihadists murder people, then your organization is effectively defunct.

The White Helmets are a largely impartial organisation in the sense that they do not take sides in the civil war.

Sure. About as impartial as the 2003 US invasion of Iraq.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

These are isolated incidents not representing their leadership. For once, do some independent research away from pro-Russia and pro-Assad sources (which have subjected the White Helmets to a massive disinformation campaign)

The White Helmets were founded by the British and have a leader who is not even allowed into the US on account of him being a terrorist. Enough said.

Sources?

[United Muscovite Nations]

The White Helmets are by their nature a grass-roots organization whose leadership has little control over the organization. If you can't prevent your members from actively helping Jihadists murder people, then your organization is effectively defunct.

The White Helmets are a largely impartial organisation in the sense that they do not take sides in the civil war.

Even Western sources acknowledge that the White Helmets are "Pro-Opposition." https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... cal-attack

And even if they did claim to be impartial, why do they never call out the Rebels' abuses of human rights, and focus solely on Assad?

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

The White Helmets are a largely impartial organisation in the sense that they do not take sides in the civil war.

Even Western sources acknowledge that the White Helmets are "Pro-Opposition." https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... cal-attack

And even if they did claim to be impartial, why do they never call out the Rebels' abuses of human rights, and focus solely on Assad?

Assad's use of chemical weapons it the tip of the iceberg in terms of his human rights abuses. For example, thousands of non-violent anti-government protesters have been detained without trial in overcrowded conditions and executed (before you bash me over how "this is what western media says", I got this info from Amnesty International, which has also called out human rights abuses carried out by the rebels, NATO and Israel)

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

The White Helmets are by their nature a grass-roots organization whose leadership has little control over the organization. If you can't prevent your members from actively helping Jihadists murder people, then your organization is effectively defunct.

The White Helmets are a largely impartial organisation in the sense that they do not take sides in the civil war.

White Helmets are not neutral, that is for sure. They aligned themselves with anti-Assad factions.

[Fahran]

Assad's use of chemical weapons it the tip of the iceberg in terms of his human rights abuses. For example, thousands of non-violent anti-government protesters have been detained without trial in overcrowded conditions and executed (before you bash me over how "this is what western media says", I got this info from Amnesty International, which has also called out human rights abuses carried out by the rebels, NATO and Israel)

Literally every human rights organization that has commented has pointed out the egregious violations of international law and human rights law occurring in Syria. We can be more or less certain that these things have occurred. People have to then decide what to do with that information.

[MERIZoC]

https://twitter.com/Ali_Kourani/status/1005219222602047489

go off king

[Auze]

Please give me credible sources (the only source I've been given was one from RT, which is the Russian government's propaganda machine) that the Douma chemical attack, and 84 other chemical attacks during the Syrian Civil War documented by Human Rights Watch, never happened.

The only source that the Douma chemical attack even happened is the White Helmets, who are a known Jihadist affiliate.

A number of sources disagree.
https://www.wired.com/2017/04/white-helmets-conspiracy-theory/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2017/03/01/russias-trolly-twitter-account-just-took-aim-at-an-oscar-winner/?utm_term=.29054719f58a
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/dec/18/syria-white-helmets-conspiracy-theories
https://pulsemedia.org/2016/12/19/russia-and-the-syrian-regime-are-documenting-their-own-crimes/
http://theconversation.com/who-are-syrias-white-helmets-and-why-are-they-so-controversial-66580
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/syrian-rescue-organization-the-white-helmets-are-terrorists/

[Kaiserreich irl]

Any real advantages for intervention in the Middle East constantly?

[Ultramarr Nova]

Assad's Syria alongside Iran and Hezbollah and the freedom fighters in Yemen are the last hope left in the middle east. Syria refused Rothschild funded pipelines in their land and resists the greater Isreal plan and they also are one of the 4 countries in the world that aren't controlled by Rothschilds (Syria, Iran, Russia and North Korea) and is free of Zionist occupation which is why they are mercilessly attacked by the west and Isreal and its lackeys such as Saudi Arabia and the UAE and other artificial oil states. Israel and America and its lackeys funded ISIS and other terrorist groups such as the "free Syria" army.

[Auze]

Assad's Syria alongside Iran and Hezbollah and the freedom fighters in Yemen are the last hope left in the middle east. Syria refused Rothschild funded pipelines in their land and resists the greater Isreal plan and they also are one of the 4 countries in the world that aren't controlled by Rothschilds (Syria, Iran, Russia and North Korea) and is free of Zionist occupation which is why they are mercilessly attacked by the west and Isreal and its lackeys such as Saudi Arabia and the UAE and other artificial oil states. Israel and America and its lackeys funded ISIS and other terrorist groups such as the "free Syria" army.

No, just no.

[Shofercia]

The White Helmets are a largely impartial organisation in the sense that they do not take sides in the civil war.

For once, do some independent research away from pro-Russia and pro-Assad sources (which have subjected the White Helmets to a massive disinformation campaign)

White Helmets are the military/PR arm of the FSA. They're not neutral.

[Auze]

https://twitter.com/Ali_Kourani/status/1005219222602047489

go off king

I wonder how he intends to differentiate the two, and how he thinks the European countries will deal with the million people that speak nothing but Hebrew coming their way from the only home they know.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

The White Helmets are a largely impartial organisation in the sense that they do not take sides in the civil war.

For once, do some independent research away from pro-Russia and pro-Assad sources (which have subjected the White Helmets to a massive disinformation campaign)

White Helmets are the military/PR arm of the FSA. They're not neutral.

The White Helmets are aligned with the FSA, but not part of the FSA and are not combatants

[United Muscovite Nations]

White Helmets are the military/PR arm of the FSA. They're not neutral.

The White Helmets are aligned with the FSA, but not part of the FSA and are not combatants

Regardless, that means they aren't neutral reporters.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

The White Helmets are aligned with the FSA, but not part of the FSA and are not combatants

Regardless, that means they aren't neutral reporters.

They are not neutral reporters, yes. But are groups who report that all chemical attacks in Syria never happened, like pro-Assad and pro-Russian media, neutral reporters either?

[United Muscovite Nations]

Regardless, that means they aren't neutral reporters.

They are not neutral reporters, yes. But are groups who report that all chemical attacks in Syria never happened, like pro-Assad and pro-Russian media, neutral reporters either?

Of course not, but the White Helmets would have us believe that Syria is gassing every hospital in the country and that he is deliberately targeting civilians because he's just that evil.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

They are not neutral reporters, yes. But are groups who report that all chemical attacks in Syria never happened, like pro-Assad and pro-Russian media, neutral reporters either?

Of course not, but the White Helmets would have us believe that Syria is gassing every hospital in the country and that he is deliberately targeting civilians because he's just that evil.

I'm just debunking claims that no chemical attacks have occurred in Syria. Even if Syria had enough chemical weapons to gas every hospital in Syria, that would entail gassing hospitals in government-held areas (which would be far, far too stupid a claim for any serious organisation to believe)

[United Muscovite Nations]

Of course not, but the White Helmets would have us believe that Syria is gassing every hospital in the country and that he is deliberately targeting civilians because he's just that evil.

I'm just debunking claims that no chemical attacks have occurred in Syria. Even if Syria had enough chemical weapons to gas every hospital in Syria, that would entail gassing hospitals in government-held areas (which would be far, far too stupid a claim for any serious organisation to believe)

Of course chemical attacks have occurred, but they're completely justified.