Middle East Conflict Megathread (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc)

[MERIZoC]

20 Iranian rockets were fired on Israeli positions in the Golan Heights, mostly unintercepted.

They weren't

[Senkaku]

20 Iranian rockets were fired on Israeli positions in the Golan Heights, mostly unintercepted.

They weren't

IDF spokesman said they were (by the IRGC Quds Force), at any rate, so presumably someone fired them.

[MERIZoC]

They weren't

IDF spokesman said they were (by the IRGC Quds Force), at any rate, so presumably someone fired them.

IDF says a lot of things, doesn't mean it isn't complete bullshit

[Senkaku]

IDF spokesman said they were (by the IRGC Quds Force), at any rate, so presumably someone fired them.

IDF says a lot of things, doesn't mean it isn't complete bullshit

Sure, but you also don't have any source or facts that indicate what they're saying isn't true, just as we have nothing besides the IDF's word that it is. So let's just wait and see before jumping to any conclusions, hmm?

[MERIZoC]

IDF says a lot of things, doesn't mean it isn't complete bullshit

Sure, but you also don't have any source or facts that indicate what they're saying isn't true, just as we have nothing besides the IDF's word that it is. So let's just wait and see before jumping to any conclusions, hmm?

If I say unicorns are real and you say no they arent one of us clearly has more weight

[Kubra]

Sure, but you also don't have any source or facts that indicate what they're saying isn't true, just as we have nothing besides the IDF's word that it is. So let's just wait and see before jumping to any conclusions, hmm?

If I say unicorns are real and you say no they arent one of us clearly has more weight

what's so implausible about rockets going off in the golan heights tho
I mean Iran has been super pissed with Israel as of late and they'd be losing face if they didn't at least try something

[Aeken]

If I say unicorns are real and you say no they arent one of us clearly has more weight

what's so implausible about rockets going off in the golan heights tho
I mean Iran has been super pissed with Israel as of late and they'd be losing face if they didn't at least try something

Seriously like... Israel just struck Iranian targets in Syria just a day ago. It makes a lot of sense why they'd retaliate.

[Kubra]

what's so implausible about rockets going off in the golan heights tho
I mean Iran has been super pissed with Israel as of late and they'd be losing face if they didn't at least try something

Seriously like... Israel just struck Iranian targets in Syria just a day ago. It makes a lot of sense why they'd retaliate.

It's not simply days ago, Israel has been hitting targets for quite a while, and really peaked with the hit on the T-4 airbase.

[MERIZoC]

If I say unicorns are real and you say no they arent one of us clearly has more weight

what's so implausible about rockets going off in the golan heights tho
I mean Iran has been super pissed with Israel as of late and they'd be losing face if they didn't at least try something

But why leap to conclusions? Everyone being desperate to post breaking news without verification is why this war is so poorly reported

[Kubra]

what's so implausible about rockets going off in the golan heights tho
I mean Iran has been super pissed with Israel as of late and they'd be losing face if they didn't at least try something

But why leap to conclusions? Everyone being desperate to post breaking news without verification is why this war is so poorly reported

If Israel was really concerned with a more or less fabricated incident, they would have fingered Hezbollah, because hitting them is a lot less politically sensitive than iranians proper.
We're "leaping to conclusions" because in this instance it doesn't really make sense to doubt the news.

[Senkaku]

what's so implausible about rockets going off in the golan heights tho
I mean Iran has been super pissed with Israel as of late and they'd be losing face if they didn't at least try something

But why leap to conclusions? Everyone being desperate to post breaking news without verification is why this war is so poorly reported

"Let's not leap to conclusions" is literally what I was saying and you compared me to someone who believes in imaginary magic animals.

[MERIZoC]

But why leap to conclusions? Everyone being desperate to post breaking news without verification is why this war is so poorly reported

"Let's not leap to conclusions" is literally what I was saying and you compared me to someone who believes in imaginary magic animals.

shhhhhhhhh

[Pilarcraft]

But why leap to conclusions? Everyone being desperate to post breaking news without verification is why this war is so poorly reported

If Israel was really concerned with a more or less fabricated incident, they would have fingered Hezbollah, because hitting them is a lot less politically sensitive than iranians proper.
We're "leaping to conclusions" because in this instance it doesn't really make sense to doubt the news.

I mean, not since Hezbollah won the election in Lebanon it isn't

Also, yes. I think it was confirmed by both sides. Missiles were exchanged last night (well, last night for me. I was asleep at that time)

[Mosleyite Britannia]

I find it ironic that the same people who support Israel as a force of law and order in the middle east, tend to ignore the illegal Israeli annexation of the Golan Heights, something even the UN has criticized, demanding that it be returned to Syria.

[Conserative Morality]

I find it ironic that the same people who support Israel as a force of law and order in the middle east, tend to ignore the illegal Israeli annexation of the Golan Heights, something even the UN has criticized, demanding that it be returned to Syria.

Israel supporters often believe the UN is an antisemitic conspiracy.

[Mosleyite Britannia]

Israel supporters often believe the UN is an antisemitic conspiracy.

I like international law and order until I don't.

[Britannic Unity]

One of the biggest issues with criticizing Israel is that everything can be construed as a anti-Semitic conspiracy because the Jews have had a horrible history in the past. It's easy for the pro-Israel camp to turn around and deflect valid criticisms of Israeli violations of human rights and international law into as an issue of antisemitism. It's a lazy defense and renders Israel impervious to a lot more than it should.

[Aulus Maximus]

I find it ironic that the same people who support Israel as a force of law and order in the middle east, tend to ignore the illegal Israeli annexation of the Golan Heights, something even the UN has criticized, demanding that it be returned to Syria.

The same people often say that Al-Aqsa isn't occupied by Israel because it's in Jordanian hands. And therefore it isn't occupation by international law.

But then again, I see it as nothing less but a miserable appeal to authority.

[New Bradenia]

In other news, the UAE seized an island from Yemen. Specifically, the side they were supporting.

That's True https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socotra

[Auze]

what's so implausible about rockets going off in the golan heights tho
I mean Iran has been super pissed with Israel as of late and they'd be losing face if they didn't at least try something

But why leap to conclusions? Everyone being desperate to post breaking news without verification is why this war is so poorly reported

They have video.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

But why leap to conclusions? Everyone being desperate to post breaking news without verification is why this war is so poorly reported

They have video.

I don't think that he's doubting that the attack took place. Just that Iran was behind it.

[Pilarcraft]

They have video.

I don't think that he's doubting that the attack took place. Just that Iran was behind it.

I think it'd be rational to think the exact opposite. In the region, Iran is the only faction with enough resources and enough dumbass military leadership to actually attack Israel openly. It's not even their first attack this last few months, to be honest. If there was an attack, Iran was either behind it or just the culprit.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I don't think that he's doubting that the attack took place. Just that Iran was behind it.

I think it'd be rational to think the exact opposite. In the region, Iran is the only faction with enough resources and enough dumbass military leadership to actually attack Israel openly. It's not even their first attack this last few months, to be honest. If there was an attack, Iran was either behind it or just the culprit.

Oh, I agree. Iran definitely did this. God, the IR sucks.

[Pilarcraft]

I think it'd be rational to think the exact opposite. In the region, Iran is the only faction with enough resources and enough dumbass military leadership to actually attack Israel openly. It's not even their first attack this last few months, to be honest. If there was an attack, Iran was either behind it or just the culprit.

Oh, I agree. Iran definitely did this. God, the IR sucks.

I'm completely pro Israel, but honestly, I can't blame them for this. I mean, sure, it's a dumb move, but a desperate move like that of a geek in a school who's been warned by the biggest bully in the school not to start any shit, and is constantly getting poked by said bully's lackey. Like, at some point, even the most patient of us would break, and the Islamic Republic's administration is anything but.

[Fahran]

I find it ironic that the same people who support Israel as a force of law and order in the middle east, tend to ignore the illegal Israeli annexation of the Golan Heights, something even the UN has criticized, demanding that it be returned to Syria.

There are numerous reasons for the occupation of the Golan Heights, principally relations with Syria haven't ever been normalized in the way that they were with Egypt and Syrian control of the Golan Heights could severely undermine Israel's ability to defend itself against artillery/sniper strikes. The occupation itself is arguably legal so long as a state of belligerence and hostility persists. The settlements are, however, illegal.