Middle East Conflict Megathread (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc)

[Ascysia]

I'd rather have the Iranians get nuked than to have that happen.

I'd personally rather a non nuclear solving of the western problem tbh, so that the civilised world isn't damaged by its end.

Uh we won't get nuked. The Iranians and their allies aren't civilised.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

I'd rather have the Iranians nuclearize rather than to have that happen.

I'd rather have the Iranians get nuked than to have that happen.

And you call yourself a moderate? How bloody ridiculous.

[Auze]

I'd personally rather a non nuclear solving of the western problem tbh, so that the civilised world isn't damaged by its end.

Uh we won't get nuked. The Iranians and their allies aren't civilised.

You do realize that their allies include Russia, right?

[Ascysia]

I'd rather have the Iranians get nuked than to have that happen.

And you call yourself a moderate? How bloody ridiculous.

yes, on social and economic issues. When it comes to foreign policy, I will make Chamberlain look like a pacifist.

Uh we won't get nuked. The Iranians and their allies aren't civilised.

You do realize that their allies include Russia, right?

So? They cant have any allies when they don't exist

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

And you call yourself a moderate? How bloody ridiculous.

yes, on social and economic issues. When it comes to foreign policy, I will make Chamberlain look like a pacifist.

You do realize that their allies include Russia, right?

So? They cant have any allies when they don't exist

Just to be clear: you are advocating for the nuclear genocide of the Iranian people on the basis of them not being civilized?

[Old Tyrannia]

I'd personally rather a non nuclear solving of the western problem tbh, so that the civilised world isn't damaged by its end.

Uh we won't get nuked. The Iranians and their allies aren't civilised.

Ascysia: *** Warned for trolling. ***

[Torrocca]

Just read that there's still plenty of resistance by the YPG in Afrin after the joint Turkish/FSA invasion. Glad to know the Kurds haven't given up on that city and the region yet.

Speaking of that, did anyone see that Turkish propaganda video of the soldier giving chocolate and candy to a Syrian kid in that region? Fucking disgusting.

[Ascysia]

yes, on social and economic issues. When it comes to foreign policy, I will make Chamberlain look like a pacifist.


So? They cant have any allies when they don't exist

Just to be clear: you are advocating for the nuclear genocide of the Iranian people on the basis of them not being civilized?

Tactical nuclear strikes wouldn't equate to nuclear genocide. It would eliminate military and political targets. It is risky however since both countries are heavily militarised dictatorships and civilians would most likely get caught in the crossfire, however measures could be taken to avoid or at least limit civilian casualties.

[Kvatchdom]

Just to be clear: you are advocating for the nuclear genocide of the Iranian people on the basis of them not being civilized?

Tactical nuclear strikes wouldn't equate to nuclear genocide. It would eliminate military and political targets. It is risky however since both countries are heavily militarised dictatorships and civilians would most likely get caught in the crossfire, however measures could be taken to avoid or at least limit civilian casualties.

It's a garbage idea. This is how you get domestic terrorism.

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Just to be clear: you are advocating for the nuclear genocide of the Iranian people on the basis of them not being civilized?

Tactical nuclear strikes wouldn't equate to nuclear genocide. It would eliminate military and political targets. It is risky however since both countries are heavily militarised dictatorships and civilians would most likely get caught in the crossfire, however measures could be taken to avoid or at least limit civilian casualties.

You said if they didn't exist. The Iranians exist without our government.

[The East Marches II]

Tactical nuclear strikes wouldn't equate to nuclear genocide. It would eliminate military and political targets. It is risky however since both countries are heavily militarised dictatorships and civilians would most likely get caught in the crossfire, however measures could be taken to avoid or at least limit civilian casualties.

It's a garbage idea. This is how you get domestic terrorism.

Perhaps he owns some stocks in security companies and wants to be a rich man?

[Pilarcraft]

Trump withdrew from the Iran Deal. Welp, let's see how this one goes.

[Ascysia]

Tactical nuclear strikes wouldn't equate to nuclear genocide. It would eliminate military and political targets. It is risky however since both countries are heavily militarised dictatorships and civilians would most likely get caught in the crossfire, however measures could be taken to avoid or at least limit civilian casualties.

You said if they didn't exist. The Iranians exist without our government.

I meant the Iranian government and their allies' governments didnt exist.

[Pilarcraft]

You said if they didn't exist. The Iranians exist without our government.

I meant the Iranian government and their allies' governments didnt exist.

I'm pretty sure if Russia were to cease to exist through a nuclear bombing, The US would also.

[Thanatttynia]

Trump withdrew from the Iran Deal. Welp, let's see how this one goes.

Imagine being so insecure you'd endanger world peace because someone made fun of you for believing in a racist conspiracy theory. I say this everyday to myself but it's scary that someone so petty and ill-informed is the most powerful person in the world.

[The East Marches II]

Trump withdrew from the Iran Deal. Welp, let's see how this one goes.

Imagine being so insecure you'd endanger world peace because someone made fun of you for believing in a racist conspiracy theory. I say this everyday to myself but it's scary that someone so petty and ill-informed is the most powerful person in the world.

"Endangering World Peace"

No such thing exists, infact it is considered by those in that office to be it's principle objective to avoid.

[Pilarcraft]

Trump withdrew from the Iran Deal. Welp, let's see how this one goes.

Imagine being so insecure you'd endanger world peace because someone made fun of you for believing in a racist conspiracy theory. I say this everyday to myself but it's scary that someone so petty and ill-informed is the most powerful person in the world.

I don't know. I'm still on the fence on whether or not this is a good thing. I'll be honest, the Iran Deal was a shitty one, and the people who got fucked over the most by it were the Iranians themselves -because the regime did not, in fact, invest any of the budget -now worth more in dollars than before- or the money in infrastructure or trade or welfare or anything that could benefit Iranians like myself.

[Ascysia]

I meant the Iranian government and their allies' governments didnt exist.

I'm pretty sure if Russia were to cease to exist through a nuclear bombing, The US would also.

Nope. Thats why I said earlier we should strive to construct an orbital platform.

[Thanatttynia]

Imagine being so insecure you'd endanger world peace because someone made fun of you for believing in a racist conspiracy theory. I say this everyday to myself but it's scary that someone so petty and ill-informed is the most powerful person in the world.

"Endangering World Peace"

No such thing exists, infact it is considered to be the metier of that office.

Eh, I'm selfish. 'World peace' for me adequately describes the ~seventy years of peace we've enjoyed in the West under an American-led system. It's not been absolute, of course, but a period of 'peace' and prosperity this long is unprecedented. To pretend either that this move isn't a serious departure from the foreign policy followed by all US Presidents since the war or that we've all been toiling under violence since WWII is stupid.

Imagine being so insecure you'd endanger world peace because someone made fun of you for believing in a racist conspiracy theory. I say this everyday to myself but it's scary that someone so petty and ill-informed is the most powerful person in the world.

I don't know. I'm still on the fence on whether or not this is a good thing. I'll be honest, the Iran Deal was a shitty one, and the people who got fucked over the most by it were the Iranians themselves -because the regime did not, in fact, invest any of the budget -now worth more in dollars than before- or the money in infrastructure or trade or welfare or anything that could benefit Iranians like myself.

I don't doubt that, but no deal's going to be perfect; it was a massive diplomatic achievement that anything got signed at all. Who knows what it could now be replaced with?

[Pilarcraft]

I'm pretty sure if Russia were to cease to exist through a nuclear bombing, The US would also.

Nope. Thats why I said earlier we should strive to construct an orbital platform.

... which the Soviet Union already had. How much do you want to bet the Russians will beat you to it if a new Space Race starts? because the odds aren't really good for you lol.

[Pilarcraft]

I don't doubt that, but no deal's going to be perfect; it was a massive diplomatic achievement that anything got signed at all. Who knows what it could now be replaced with?

Honestly? IF we went by "Who knows, it might be worse" we would still be in caves, scratching our backs with trees and grunting to communicate. I don't doubt that the following months will be horrible for Iran, but the threat of Iran funding terrorist cells like Hezbollah and interfering with International affairs like it has done under BARJAM (what the Deal was called in Iran) is over, and now the Government is forced to deal with the sanctions again.

[Shamhnan Insir]

As much as it's really all about money and hiding what Saudi is up to, my central criticism of the process itself is why withdraw, thus being responsible for its ending, and leaving your opposition with all the cards? Deals can be modified, redrawn, revised whilst retaining some sort of structure.
Trump is all about the big shows of strength but I don't how this has left him in a position of power?

[Thanatttynia]

I don't doubt that, but no deal's going to be perfect; it was a massive diplomatic achievement that anything got signed at all. Who knows what it could now be replaced with?

Honestly? IF we went by "Who knows, it might be worse" we would still be in caves, scratching our backs with trees and grunting to communicate. I don't doubt that the following months will be horrible for Iran, but the threat of Iran funding terrorist cells like Hezbollah and interfering with International affairs like it has done under BARJAM (what the Deal was called in Iran) is over, and now the Government is forced to deal with the sanctions again.

Well, if you take that to its extreme, then, yes, we would be. In circumstances as volatile and as high-stakes as nuclear proliferation, though, I think you can make a few exceptions to a let's-see-how-it-goes philosophy.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Iranian government deals with this and moves forward. From what I know anecdotally (do correct me if I'm wrong) the previous sanctions affected the Iranian upper and upper middle classes very little. If the government haven't been doing much for the wider populace even with the budget they have now, will they be forced to change much outside foreign affairs with a resumption of sanctions?

[Pilarcraft]

Honestly? IF we went by "Who knows, it might be worse" we would still be in caves, scratching our backs with trees and grunting to communicate. I don't doubt that the following months will be horrible for Iran, but the threat of Iran funding terrorist cells like Hezbollah and interfering with International affairs like it has done under BARJAM (what the Deal was called in Iran) is over, and now the Government is forced to deal with the sanctions again.

Well, if you take that to its extreme, then, yes, we would be. In circumstances as volatile and as high-stakes as nuclear proliferation, though, I think you can make a few exceptions to a let's-see-how-it-goes philosophy.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Iranian government deals with this and moves forward. From what I know anecdotally (do correct me if I'm wrong) the previous sanctions affected the Iranian upper and upper middle classes very little. If the government haven't been doing much for the wider populace even with the budget they have now, will they be forced to change much outside foreign affairs with a resumption of sanctions?

The sad part is that I absolutely know they will do absolutely nothing. embezzlement was already at an all time high, even with the sanctions. With more sanctions, they'll need shadier ways of trading, which'll mean more Babak Zanjani type embezzlements, and what's more, the lower class might actually rise up again, given how the entire province of Kurdistan has been in strike for more than a month now.

[Thanatttynia]

Well, if you take that to its extreme, then, yes, we would be. In circumstances as volatile and as high-stakes as nuclear proliferation, though, I think you can make a few exceptions to a let's-see-how-it-goes philosophy.
It will certainly be interesting to see how the Iranian government deals with this and moves forward. From what I know anecdotally (do correct me if I'm wrong) the previous sanctions affected the Iranian upper and upper middle classes very little. If the government haven't been doing much for the wider populace even with the budget they have now, will they be forced to change much outside foreign affairs with a resumption of sanctions?

The sad part is that I absolutely know they will do absolutely nothing. embezzlement was already at an all time high, even with the sanctions. With more sanctions, they'll need shadier ways of trading, which'll mean more Babak Zanjani type embezzlements, and what's more, the lower class might actually rise up again, given how the entire province of Kurdistan has been in strike for more than a month now.

Sounds rough. I was aware there had recently been civil strife, but I wasn't sure how much of a chance they really had and how much was just western journalists 'hopeful' for some sort of change in Iran, as I know that competence, goodness etc. very rarely correlate with a governments actual support. How bad could things get for the Iranian government, do you think?