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What faction(s) do you support in the Syrian civil war? Check any that apply

Syrian government/SAA
98
18%
Syrian Democratic Forces/YPG
124
22%
Tahrir al-Sham (Nusra)
10
2%
Ahrar al-Sham/other opposition
14
3%
Turkey/TFSA
20
4%
ISIS
17
3%
Hezbollah
40
7%
Russia
55
10%
United States/NATO/Israel
130
23%
Iran
49
9%
 
Total votes : 557

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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:38 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
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As I said. Serbia received justice. It was bombed.

That doesn't address whether there was justice on the other side though either, which is what Merizoc was questioning.


Bosnia received justice - Ratko Mladic was punished, and Bosnia is independent of Serbia. Kosovo too, at least legally.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:03 pm

I will believe in these 'international courts' only when American, British or French general here will be judged for war crimes.

And how so that Dutch officer from Srebrenica was never judged for leaving his post, with full knowledge what will happen?
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:06 pm

Please tell me the five for ISIS are memes
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:07 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:Please tell me the five for ISIS are memes

We shall cast the crusaders from our land.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:08 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:I will believe in these 'international courts' only when American, British or French general here will be judged for war crimes.

And how so that Dutch officer from Srebrenica was never judged for leaving his post, with full knowledge what will happen?

What I genuinely want is an international system that can investigate and prosecute war criminals without caring about what country did it. But sadly that’d upset too many people
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:09 pm

The Empire of Pretantia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:Please tell me the five for ISIS are memes

We shall cast the crusaders from our land.

Sigh
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:15 pm

Internationalist Bastard wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:I will believe in these 'international courts' only when American, British or French general here will be judged for war crimes.

And how so that Dutch officer from Srebrenica was never judged for leaving his post, with full knowledge what will happen?

What I genuinely want is an international system that can investigate and prosecute war criminals without caring about what country did it. But sadly that’d upset too many people


That's why it's so funny how so many people overestimate UN. National interests of Great Powers, balance of power, spheres of influence and nuclear weapons are the ones keeping peace since 1945. NOT the UN.

If anything, UN is merely a theatre. In practice, it's no less pathetic than League of Nations.
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Postby Internationalist Bastard » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:17 pm

Socialist Czechia wrote:
Internationalist Bastard wrote:What I genuinely want is an international system that can investigate and prosecute war criminals without caring about what country did it. But sadly that’d upset too many people


That's why it's so funny how so many people overestimate UN. National interests of Great Powers, balance of power, spheres of influence and nuclear weapons are the ones keeping peace since 1945. NOT the UN.

If anything, UN is merely a theatre. In practice, it's no less pathetic than League of Nations.

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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:29 pm

First of all, Security Council should be with only permanent members, and only those representing majority of Mankind.

India, therefore, should be here, while France or UK totally not. Why they are still even here? World changed a lot since 1945. Can be also argued that UK and French were the ones who caused world war. They could stop it anytime from 1933-1938.
So they totally don't deserve these seats anymore.

Just look how these two messed up Middle East. 90% of nasty stuff happening here is British and French doing.
"Those who reached my boundary, their seed is not; their hearts and their souls are finished forever and ever. As for those who had assembled before them on the sea, the full flame was their front before the harbour mouths, and a wall of metal upon the shore surrounded them. They were dragged, overturned, and laid low upon the beach; slain and made heaps from stern to bow of their galleys, while all their things were cast upon the water." - Ramesses III., Battle of the Delta

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Postby Shofercia » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:21 am

Mujahidah wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:So no war crimes were committed on the other side?


As I said. Serbia received justice. It was bombed.


So would you be ok with Russia, China, and Iran bombing the capital city of Saudi Arabia over their war crimes in Yemen? Would you consider that to be just?
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:04 am

To be completely fair, Russia has every right to bomb Riyad to rabble, as Wahhabists provides money, influence and possibly weapons to islamic terrorists in Caucasus. The ones who wants to create Islamic Emirate here and do ethnic and religious cleansing.

Thermobaric bombs on Saudi's palace and rafineries should be enough for them to feel the righteous wrath for supporting terrorism.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Mon Apr 16, 2018 2:27 am

Shofercia wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
As I said. Serbia received justice. It was bombed.


So would you be ok with Russia, China, and Iran bombing the capital city of Saudi Arabia over their war crimes in Yemen? Would you consider that to be just?

America should get in on it.
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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:13 am

Shofercia wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
As I said. Serbia received justice. It was bombed.


So would you be ok with Russia, China, and Iran bombing the capital city of Saudi Arabia over their war crimes in Yemen? Would you consider that to be just?

Well, they wouldn't do that so its a bit of a moot question.
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:54 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:First of all, Security Council should be with only permanent members, and only those representing majority of Mankind.

India, therefore, should be here, while France or UK totally not. Why they are still even here? World changed a lot since 1945. Can be also argued that UK and French were the ones who caused world war. They could stop it anytime from 1933-1938.
So they totally don't deserve these seats anymore.

Just look how these two messed up Middle East. 90% of nasty stuff happening here is British and French doing.

People are already considering kicking the UK out and replacing it with India

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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:56 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:First of all, Security Council should be with only permanent members, and only those representing majority of Mankind.

India, therefore, should be here, while France or UK totally not. Why they are still even here? World changed a lot since 1945. Can be also argued that UK and French were the ones who caused world war. They could stop it anytime from 1933-1938.
So they totally don't deserve these seats anymore.

Just look how these two messed up Middle East. 90% of nasty stuff happening here is British and French doing.

People are already considering kicking the UK out and replacing it with India

Considering for it 20+ years, in fact. :roll:
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Postby Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:57 am

Eol Sha wrote:
Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:People are already considering kicking the UK out and replacing it with India

Considering for it 20+ years, in fact. :roll:

Well, they should probably do that already. Says a British person :P

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Postby Eol Sha » Mon Apr 16, 2018 8:58 am

Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft wrote:
Eol Sha wrote:Considering for it 20+ years, in fact. :roll:

Well, they should probably do that already. Says a British person :P

Well, if its any conciliation, the British support India being added to the Security Council.
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Postby Mujahidah » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:03 am

Shofercia wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
As I said. Serbia received justice. It was bombed.


So would you be ok with Russia, China, and Iran bombing the capital city of Saudi Arabia over their war crimes in Yemen? Would you consider that to be just?


I mean I don't particularly support Saudi Arabia but its not as if Saudi Arabia is willfully supporting a genocide re: Srpska.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:18 am

Mujahidah wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
So would you be ok with Russia, China, and Iran bombing the capital city of Saudi Arabia over their war crimes in Yemen? Would you consider that to be just?


I mean I don't particularly support Saudi Arabia but its not as if Saudi Arabia is willfully supporting a genocide re: Srpska.

They are certainly deliberately causing a famine that is killing thousands of people.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:53 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
I mean I don't particularly support Saudi Arabia but its not as if Saudi Arabia is willfully supporting a genocide re: Srpska.

They are certainly deliberately causing a famine that is killing thousands of people.


Shias are targeted by that, clearly. Which is genocide.

Any 'humanitarian bombardment' of Wahhabist military installations and government buildings are therefore absolutely legitimate.
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Postby Phoenicaea » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:13 am

enough. let more diverse, and may be more intelligent people write. like this, this forum is a childish post-it
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:16 am

Phoenicaea wrote:enough. let more diverse, and may be more intelligent people write. like this, this forum is a childish post-it

What?

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Postby Nettunia » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:19 am

Getting back on track: Israel bombed an Iran base according to NYT. Ofc no one will care as Israel can always do whatever the heck it wants.
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Postby Bigoted » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:46 pm

Nettunia wrote:Getting back on track: Israel bombed an Iran base according to NYT. Ofc no one will care as Israel can always do whatever the heck it wants.

Limited strikes against a state sponsor of terror who has developed and utilized WMDs. I don't see the problem.

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Mon Apr 16, 2018 12:55 pm

Bigoted wrote:
Nettunia wrote:Getting back on track: Israel bombed an Iran base according to NYT. Ofc no one will care as Israel can always do whatever the heck it wants.

Limited strikes against a state sponsor of terror who has developed and utilized WMDs. I don't see the problem.

The Zionists do the same. Minus sponsoring terror (they are the terror), and they might have WMDs also.
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