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What faction(s) do you support in the Syrian civil war? Check any that apply

Syrian government/SAA
98
18%
Syrian Democratic Forces/YPG
124
22%
Tahrir al-Sham (Nusra)
10
2%
Ahrar al-Sham/other opposition
14
3%
Turkey/TFSA
20
4%
ISIS
17
3%
Hezbollah
40
7%
Russia
55
10%
United States/NATO/Israel
130
23%
Iran
49
9%
 
Total votes : 557

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Yagon
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Postby Yagon » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:27 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Yagon wrote:
That was the singer girl who died in the airplane crash after being in the Vampire movie?


That's Aaliyah or something like that.


I see. Was she killed because she had information about the Israeli nuclear arsenal?

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Albrenia
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Postby Albrenia » Sat Apr 14, 2018 6:30 pm

Yagon wrote:
Albrenia wrote:
That's Aaliyah or something like that.


I see. Was she killed because she had information about the Israeli nuclear arsenal?


Highly unlikely, but not impossible I guess.

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Yagon
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Postby Yagon » Sat Apr 14, 2018 7:52 pm

Albrenia wrote:
Yagon wrote:
I see. Was she killed because she had information about the Israeli nuclear arsenal?


Highly unlikely, but not impossible I guess.


In some interpretations of Multiverse Theory, every possibility manifests in some Universe?

Somebody might live in a universe where Aaliyah was hit because she had evidence of Israeli nukes.

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Aulus Maximus
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Postby Aulus Maximus » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:02 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:
The Empire of Pretantia wrote:There's more to a church than what it says. For example, Iceland banning circumcision. Still secular.


Circumcision should be banned everywhere IMO

no matter how would you try to reason, it is, still, MUTILATION. :eyebrow:

Unless for medical reasons ofcourse. Which there are plenty of.
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Nettunia
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Postby Nettunia » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:06 am

Circumcised is prettier. Though not many are around here :(
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Socialist Czechia
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:26 am

I wouldn't mind if you could choose circumcision. But your parents will do it to you without your consent and so I find it disgusting and inhumane.

Not mentioning mutilation of women, which is much worse, of course - in this case, in these countries, it should be banned under threat of summary execution.
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Shofercia
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:29 am

Mujahidah wrote:We actually can't be entirely sure what Israel uses. For diplomatic reasons they don't officially admit to having Nuclear Weapons.


"We have no nuclear weapons inspector, please ignore the radiation leak. Look, we're bombing the Palestinians again, definite Human Rights violations there, would you like a drone to document that? We won't wipe out its memory core, we'll simply, "accidentally" blow it up when you're done."
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Baltenstein
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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:41 am

Mujahidah wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:
Albanians went into barbarian mode first here, droving Serbian civilians before them and hearing lamentations of their women 8)


I'm sorry what do Bosnians have to do with Albania? Milosevic was a pig. It is a tragedy that he wasn't sent to prison or executed for his crimes.


He did die in a UN prison actually.
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Socialist Czechia
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:50 am

Baltenstein wrote:
He did die in a UN prison actually.


That must really piss the judges, when you just dare to die after everything :p

It was Slobodan Praljak recently, though, who put quite a show when doing it just right. He knew he's hero at home anyway.
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Baltenstein
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Postby Baltenstein » Sun Apr 15, 2018 11:54 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
He did die in a UN prison actually.


That must really piss the judges, when you just dare to die after everything :p

It was Slobodan Praljak recently, though, who put quite a show when doing it just right. He knew he's hero at home anyway.


All war criminals of all sides in the Balkan wars are heroes in their home countries by default anyway. I don't think it would have changed much if he hadn't chosen to go out in that admittedly spectacular fashion.
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Over the hills and far away.


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Durin VII
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Postby Durin VII » Sun Apr 15, 2018 2:22 pm

Nettunia wrote:Circumcised is prettier. Though not many are around here :(


I tend to disagree, and so do many. Besides, better 'ugly' and healthy than 'pretty' and a load of health risks.

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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:16 pm

Baltenstein wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
I'm sorry what do Bosnians have to do with Albania? Milosevic was a pig. It is a tragedy that he wasn't sent to prison or executed for his crimes.


He did die in a UN prison actually.


Well that's at least half-way satisfying.
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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:47 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
He did die in a UN prison actually.


Well that's at least half-way satisfying.

Not entirely. Many argue that Milosevic's premature death allowed the US and Clinton to escape American war crimes being exposed in an international tribunal.

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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:53 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Well that's at least half-way satisfying.

Not entirely. Many argue that Milosevic's premature death allowed the US and Clinton to escape American war crimes being exposed in an international tribunal.


Siding with genocidal Serbians to continue your hatred of America. Why am I not surprised, MERIZoC?
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Shofercia
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:15 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Not entirely. Many argue that Milosevic's premature death allowed the US and Clinton to escape American war crimes being exposed in an international tribunal.


Siding with genocidal Serbians to continue your hatred of America. Why am I not surprised, MERIZoC?


Did you actually watch the trial? Such as Milosevic's cross of Ranta's testimony? Did you read the transcript? Do you know what actually happened in Racak? Have you studied the demographics of Kosovo?
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Al-Ismailiyya
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Founded: Dec 19, 2017
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:18 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Siding with genocidal Serbians to continue your hatred of America. Why am I not surprised, MERIZoC?


Did you actually watch the trial? Such as Milosevic's cross of Ranta's testimony? Did you read the transcript? Do you know what actually happened in Racak? Have you studied the demographics of Kosovo?

5 questions in a single post. Impressive.

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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:20 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Not entirely. Many argue that Milosevic's premature death allowed the US and Clinton to escape American war crimes being exposed in an international tribunal.


Siding with genocidal Serbians to continue your hatred of America. Why am I not surprised, MERIZoC?

The fuck?

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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:27 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Siding with genocidal Serbians to continue your hatred of America. Why am I not surprised, MERIZoC?


Did you actually watch the trial? Such as Milosevic's cross of Ranta's testimony? Did you read the transcript? Do you know what actually happened in Racak? Have you studied the demographics of Kosovo?


Serbian ethnic violence which Milosevic enabled for political gain against Muslims, especially in Bosnia, is pretty well known as fact anywhere outside of the Russophillic sphere.
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Shofercia
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Postby Shofercia » Sun Apr 15, 2018 4:52 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Did you actually watch the trial? Such as Milosevic's cross of Ranta's testimony? Did you read the transcript? Do you know what actually happened in Racak? Have you studied the demographics of Kosovo?

5 questions in a single post. Impressive.


Tends to happen when the word "Genocidal" gets thrown around, followed by an entire ethnic group. I'm sure that if I was going to call Muslims "Genocidal" I'd get a lot more than five questions. I might even get modly action.


Mujahidah wrote:
Shofercia wrote:
Did you actually watch the trial? Such as Milosevic's cross of Ranta's testimony? Did you read the transcript? Do you know what actually happened in Racak? Have you studied the demographics of Kosovo?


Serbian ethnic violence which Milosevic enabled for political gain against Muslims, especially in Bosnia, is pretty well known as fact anywhere outside of the Russophillic sphere.


So it's totally cool to destroy the Serbs in Kosovo, because others were violent in Bosnia? You do know that quite a few factions were violent in Bosnia, right? It's tragic that Russia's drunkard of a president let Belgrade get bombed into submission, but he also let the Russian Economy be destroyed, so he was a consistent alcoholic. Kind of like Poroshenko of Ukraine. I wonder, by the time he's done, what'll be the difference in GDP PPP per capita between Belarus and Ukraine, according to the World Bank.
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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:50 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Siding with genocidal Serbians to continue your hatred of America. Why am I not surprised, MERIZoC?

The fuck?

Don't you know that it's impossible to want justice for both sides in a war?
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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:30 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:The fuck?

Don't you know that it's impossible to want justice for both sides in a war?


Serbia received justice. It was bombed.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:34 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:Don't you know that it's impossible to want justice for both sides in a war?


Serbia received justice. It was bombed.

So no war crimes were committed on the other side?
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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:35 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Serbia received justice. It was bombed.

So no war crimes were committed on the other side?


As I said. Serbia received justice. It was bombed.
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Pilarcraft
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Postby Pilarcraft » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:36 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Serbia received justice. It was bombed.

So no war crimes were committed on the other side?

emphasis mine
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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:36 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:So no war crimes were committed on the other side?


As I said. Serbia received justice. It was bombed.

That doesn't address whether there was justice on the other side though either, which is what Merizoc was questioning.
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