Middle East Conflict Megathread (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc)

[Socialist Czechia]

Well, we know they have nuclear weapons, we know it, it's public knowledge, even people were judged as traitors because they provided proof.
We know that they have missiles able to launch satellites to the orbit and proper launch bases.

But they rely on first strike doctrine and air power, so naturally, there must be decent supply of tactical nukes/missiles for fighter bombers.

[Mujahidah]

Well, we know they have nuclear weapons, we know it, it's public knowledge, even people were judged as traitors because they provided proof.
We know that they have missiles able to launch satellites to the orbit and proper launch bases.

But they rely on first strike doctrine and air power, so naturally, there must be decent supply of tactical nukes/missiles for fighter bombers.

Having a rocket that can put something into orbit and having an ICBM are not the same things. There are engineering differences between the two operations.

[Socialist Czechia]

Well, we know they have nuclear weapons, we know it, it's public knowledge, even people were judged as traitors because they provided proof.
We know that they have missiles able to launch satellites to the orbit and proper launch bases.

But they rely on first strike doctrine and air power, so naturally, there must be decent supply of tactical nukes/missiles for fighter bombers.

Having a rocket that can put something into orbit and having an ICBM are not the same things. There are engineering differences between the two operations.

Not really.

Not a rocket engineer myself, but ever since you get hands on rocket able to launch satellite, you have functional ICBM.
Just like that. As you need just change satellite with nuke and navigation system.

[Mujahidah]

Having a rocket that can put something into orbit and having an ICBM are not the same things. There are engineering differences between the two operations.

Not really.

Not a rocket engineer myself, but ever since you get hands on rocket able to launch satellite, you have functional ICBM.
Just like that. As you need just change satellite with nuke and navigation system.

They're similar but not fundamentally the same. The engineering to change them isn't strenuous but its not equivalent.

All we know is that Israel has IRBMs.

[Socialist Czechia]

So, tell me honestly, if Israel have possibly hundreds of nukes, including Jericho missiles...
...why would you or me deny Iran to get their own nukes and ballistic missiles?

As I mentioned before, even Pakistan has nukes, and that country isn't much fluffy and peaceful, like, exactly same.

If Pakistanis or Jews can have rockets and nuclear warheads, actually anyone can have them these days.

[Auze]

Seems good, though I'm wondering why Rojava wasn't given it's own spot, being one of the largest.

What?

Nevermind, I saw it. I feel like an idiot right now.

[Auze]

So, tell me honestly, if Israel have possibly hundreds of nukes, including Jericho missiles...
...why would you or me deny Iran to get their own nukes and ballistic missiles?

As I mentioned before, even Pakistan has nukes, and that country isn't much fluffy and peaceful, like, exactly same.

If Pakistanis or Jews can have rockets and nuclear warheads, actually anyone can have them these days.

*plays piano*

First we got the bomb and that was good
Cause we love peace and motherhood
Then Russia got the bomb, but that's O.K
Cause the balance of power's maintained that way!
Who's next?

France got the bomb, but don't you grieve
'Cause they're on our side, I believe
China got the bomb, but have no fears
They can't wipe us out for at least five years!
Who's next?

Then Indonesia claimed that they
Were gonna get one any day
South Africa wants two, that's right:
One for the black and one for the white!
Who's next?

Egypt's gonna get one, too
Just to use on you know who
So Israel's getting tense
Wants one in self defense
"The Lord's our shepherd", says the Psalm
But just in case, we better get a bomb!
Who's next?

Luxembourg is next to go
And, who knows, maybe Monaco
We'll try to stay serene and calm
When Alabama gets the bomb!
Who's next, who's next, who's next?
Who's next?

[Mujahidah]

So, tell me honestly, if Israel have possibly hundreds of nukes, including Jericho missiles...
...why would you or me deny Iran to get their own nukes and ballistic missiles?

As I mentioned before, even Pakistan has nukes, and that country isn't much fluffy and peaceful, like, exactly same.

If Pakistanis or Jews can have rockets and nuclear warheads, actually anyone can have them these days.

The main argument against proliferation has little to do with the individuals getting the bombs. Its more that the more nukes there are in the more hands the more likely accidents are going to happen. Its a matter of simple probability.

[Socialist Czechia]

Ever since nuke had 2, then 5, then 10 countries...it's kinda pointless anymore to panic who else get the A-Bomb

And Iran has all rights to be afraid of Israeli nuclear strike

[Mujahidah]

Ever since nuke had 2, then 5, then 10 countries...it's kinda pointless anymore to panic who else get the A-Bomb

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And Iran has all rights to be afraid of Israeli nuclear strike

Trust me I don't like that Israel has nukes. And trust me, I am not a fan of the State of Israel.

The issue is that when more countries have nukes there's a greater chance of either A) the accidental detonation of a nuclear weapon, B) the theft of a nuclear weapon by a non-state actor, or C) initiation of nuclear conflict through some error in perception.

The more nukes there are in the world the greater the odds something bad happens with them. Even the US has gotten dangerously close to accidentally detonating nuclear bombs, and has actually even lost a few functional weapons. You're just increasing the odds when you increase the number and locations of warheads.

[The East Marches II]

So, tell me honestly, if Israel have possibly hundreds of nukes, including Jericho missiles...
...why would you or me deny Iran to get their own nukes and ballistic missiles?

As I mentioned before, even Pakistan has nukes, and that country isn't much fluffy and peaceful, like, exactly same.

If Pakistanis or Jews can have rockets and nuclear warheads, actually anyone can have them these days.

The Pakistanis are a very good example of why it's best not to let that happen.

[Mujahidah]

So, tell me honestly, if Israel have possibly hundreds of nukes, including Jericho missiles...
...why would you or me deny Iran to get their own nukes and ballistic missiles?

As I mentioned before, even Pakistan has nukes, and that country isn't much fluffy and peaceful, like, exactly same.

If Pakistanis or Jews can have rockets and nuclear warheads, actually anyone can have them these days.

The Pakistanis are a very good example of why it's best not to let that happen.

Nah that's India's fault. India is the bad guy in that situation.

[Socialist Czechia]

The more nukes there are in the world the greater the odds something bad happens with them. Even the US has gotten dangerously close to accidentally detonating nuclear bombs, and has actually even lost a few functional weapons. You're just increasing the odds when you increase the number and locations of warheads.

I think it's just matter of time anyway. And you can't deny it's functionality as total defense.

If your country has nukes, invasion or 'humanitarian intervention' (politically correct invasion), simply CAN'T happen.

If Gaddafi or Milosevic had functional stockpile of nukes, NATO air strikes would never happened.

[Mujahidah]

The more nukes there are in the world the greater the odds something bad happens with them. Even the US has gotten dangerously close to accidentally detonating nuclear bombs, and has actually even lost a few functional weapons. You're just increasing the odds when you increase the number and locations of warheads.

I think it's just matter of time anyway. And you can't deny it's functionality as total defense.

If your country has nukes, invasion or 'humanitarian intervention' (politically correct invasion), simply CAN'T happen.

If Gaddafi or Milosevic had functional stockpile of nukes, NATO air strikes would never happened.

The last person that needed nuclear weapons was that genocide-backing pig Milosevic.

[Socialist Czechia]

I think it's just matter of time anyway. And you can't deny it's functionality as total defense.

If your country has nukes, invasion or 'humanitarian intervention' (politically correct invasion), simply CAN'T happen.

If Gaddafi or Milosevic had functional stockpile of nukes, NATO air strikes would never happened.

The last person that needed nuclear weapons was that genocide-backing pig Milosevic.

Albanians went into barbarian mode first here, droving Serbian civilians before them and hearing lamentations of their women

[Mujahidah]

The last person that needed nuclear weapons was that genocide-backing pig Milosevic.

Albanians went into barbarian mode first here, droving Serbian civilians before them and hearing lamentations of their women

I'm sorry what do Bosnians have to do with Albania? Milosevic was a pig. It is a tragedy that he wasn't sent to prison or executed for his crimes.

[The Seven United]

We actually can't be entirely sure what Israel uses. For diplomatic reasons they don't officially admit to having Nuclear Weapons.

For its own existence, the Israeli terror state doesn't appear to need nuclear weapons. The only thing it seems to need at the moment are rubber bullets (or real ones) and tear gas.

[Albrenia]

We actually can't be entirely sure what Israel uses. For diplomatic reasons they don't officially admit to having Nuclear Weapons.

For its own existence, the Israeli terror state doesn't appear to need nuclear weapons. The only thing it seems to need at the moment are rubber bullets (or real ones) and tear gas.

I'd be surprised if they didn't have nukes, even though they wouldn't admit it either way.

[The Tomerlands]

Kinda pathetic, how everyone in last 7 years condemns Assad for every (perceived, real or untrue) reason possible.

While Omar Hassan Ahmad al-Bashir, for example, is undoubtedly war criminal and mass murderer: but who cares about Sudan?
Arabia is ruled by extremist totalitarian regime for decades, hellhole for everyone, but oil is oil.

Who cares about Yemen, where Wahhabists uses ethnic and religious cleansing and mercenaries, denying help to civilians wherever possible?
Who cares about Libya, mostly rejecting internationally supported extremist government, rather fighting Tobruk government?
Who cares about Somaliland, the only functional government in Somalia no one recognizes?

So much excrements around, but everyone throws it only to Assad's face

Me. I care about how brutal the Saudi government is.

Me too.

[The Seven United]

For its own existence, the Israeli terror state doesn't appear to need nuclear weapons. The only thing it seems to need at the moment are rubber bullets (or real ones) and tear gas.

I'd be surprised if they didn't have nukes, even though they wouldn't admit it either way.

For the sake of West Jerusalem they wouldn't drop a nuke on the eastern part anyway. The only use Israel has for nuclear weapons is when the West finally realized the amount of damage and destruction their country has done to the region, and withdraw support. Desperate times that will be.

[Yagon]

For its own existence, the Israeli terror state doesn't appear to need nuclear weapons. The only thing it seems to need at the moment are rubber bullets (or real ones) and tear gas.

I'd be surprised if they didn't have nukes, even though they wouldn't admit it either way.

I am very much not educated on the Mid East and I've never been there, so a lot of what I say will be wrong.

That said, if Israel in some ways acts as a client state to the US, and if they could easily obtain, maintain, and deploy especially with US assistance, then whether they have them would be a question of whether it benefits the US for them to have them, and since Israel is generally considered a powerful US ally in the region, they would.

So I'd bet they have them.

[Durin VII]

I'd be surprised if they didn't have nukes, even though they wouldn't admit it either way.

I am very much not educated on the Mid East and I've never been there, so a lot of what I say will be wrong.

That said, if Israel in some ways acts as a client state to the US, and if they could easily obtain, maintain, and deploy especially with US assistance, then whether they have them would be a question of whether it benefits the US for them to have them, and since Israel is generally considered a powerful US ally in the region, they would.

So I'd bet they have them.

Considering that they refuse to cooperate with the IAEA you don't even have to bet on it.

[Yagon]

I am very much not educated on the Mid East and I've never been there, so a lot of what I say will be wrong.

That said, if Israel in some ways acts as a client state to the US, and if they could easily obtain, maintain, and deploy especially with US assistance, then whether they have them would be a question of whether it benefits the US for them to have them, and since Israel is generally considered a powerful US ally in the region, they would.

So I'd bet they have them.

Considering that they refuse to cooperate with the IAEA you don't even have to bet on it.

That was the singer girl who died in the airplane crash after being in the Vampire movie?

[Durin VII]

Considering that they refuse to cooperate with the IAEA you don't even have to bet on it.

That was the singer girl who died in the airplane crash after being in the Vampire movie?

What?

[Albrenia]

Considering that they refuse to cooperate with the IAEA you don't even have to bet on it.

That was the singer girl who died in the airplane crash after being in the Vampire movie?

That's Aaliyah or something like that.