Middle East Conflict Megathread (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc)

[Mujahidah]

So apparently US launched air strikes on Syria and Russia is to scared to retaliate. It seems Russia is the new France.

Nah Russia went into this knowing it was a bluff. They were merely pushing the envelope. They knew they weren't going to retaliate before anything even happened because they never had the means to.

[Crockerland]

So apparently US launched air strikes on Syria and Russia is to scared to retaliate. It seems Russia is the new France.

Unsurprising, Putin is just a bully, he will make a big show when he can, as in Ukraine, Georgia, and Moldova, but he doesn't want war with NATO and the Arab League.

[Pilarcraft]

It's actually good that they carried out an attack, even if it was relatively light and with no actual casualties. I mean, sure, it was more of a show than a real invasive action, but it's good. The fact that Russia, like I suspected from the start, doesn't have the balls to get into war with the Entire NATO and the Arab league right now (and so, will just huff and puff like a downed bully) is also good. I do, though, hope that they continue attacks.

[Western-Ukraine]

The strike in Syria is good news, even if it could've been more extensive. As for the poll options, USA/Nato + Israel ought to be separated, although I'd still check both and no others. Syria is just a mess and Iran, Turkey and Russia are no better.

[Bruruma]

This is amazing; The Fa'ath-scists and Russian Imperialists are finally getting their due! I am worried that Trump will fowl this up with his lack of cool-headedness, however I'll take whatever we get gladly at this point.

For this I have a special rendition of the American classic, Over There:

Instructions: Open provided instrumental version and sing first stanza along with tune.

Donny, get your gun
Get your gun, get your gun
Use it on A-Sad
On A-Sad, on A-Sad
Hear them calling Sharia
Every son of Moderacy
Hurry right away
No delay, bomb today
Make Bolton glad
To have done such a tad
Tell the Russians not to whine
To be proud Moscow's next time!

Instrumental Rendition: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRcVFohFvxc&t=10s

[MERIZoC]

https://english.almanar.com.lb/484526

Hezbollah has released a statement.

[Socialist Czechia]

Sad, cold truth: Countries like Syria or Iraq can't have fluffy democratic government and are safe and sound only when ruled by autocracy.

Libya is just another proof. Same as Egypt.
Both destroyed autocracy and tried democracy, the results: 1. Country destroyed and start of 2nd civil war, 2. Return to military dictatorship

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Sad, cold truth: Countries like Syria or Iraq can't have fluffy democratic government and are safe and sound only when ruled by autocracy.

Libya is just another proof. Same as Egypt.
Both destroyed autocracy and tried democracy, the results: 1. Country destroyed and start of 2nd civil war, 2. Return to military dictatorship

The main reason Egypt never became a democracy was that there was no sufficiently organised pro-democracy faction to lead the revolution (there only was the Muslim Brotherhood and the army)

[The East Marches II]

Sad, cold truth: Countries like Syria or Iraq can't have fluffy democratic government and are safe and sound only when ruled by autocracy.

Libya is just another proof. Same as Egypt.
Both destroyed autocracy and tried democracy, the results: 1. Country destroyed and start of 2nd civil war, 2. Return to military dictatorship

The main reason Egypt never became a democracy was that there was no sufficiently organised pro-democracy faction to lead the revolution (there only was the Muslim Brotherhood and the army)

Have you considered giving up Whig history yet?

[Socialist Czechia]

Sad, cold truth: Countries like Syria or Iraq can't have fluffy democratic government and are safe and sound only when ruled by autocracy.

Libya is just another proof. Same as Egypt.
Both destroyed autocracy and tried democracy, the results: 1. Country destroyed and start of 2nd civil war, 2. Return to military dictatorship

The main reason Egypt never became a democracy was that there was no sufficiently organised pro-democracy faction to lead the revolution (there only was the Muslim Brotherhood and the army)

Turkey also worked well, until islamists purged the army.
Although, who knows, perhaps the visibly most pathetic and servile general actually plots to execute Erdogan right now

We can only hope.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

The main reason Egypt never became a democracy was that there was no sufficiently organised pro-democracy faction to lead the revolution (there only was the Muslim Brotherhood and the army)

Have you considered giving up Whig history yet?

No, that was genuinely why. There were effective pro-democracy groups to create a stable democracy during the Tunisian Revolution (the start of the Arab Spring)

[Socialist Czechia]

Best I wish for Middle East is contant flow of relatively sane and relatively secular autocrats.

But even an insane warlike, Tamerlane-cruelty-level-autocrat (like Saddam) is better than vote religious nuts like AKP or Brotherhood into power.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Best I wish for Middle East is contant flow of relatively sane and relatively secular autocrats.

But even an insane warlike, Tamerlane-cruelty-level-autocrat (like Saddam) is better than vote religious nuts like AKP or Brotherhood into power.

You do realise Kim Jong-un is a secular autocrat. Be careful about what types of autocrat you support

[Imperium Centralium]

Have you considered giving up Whig history yet?

No, that was genuinely why. There were effective pro-democracy groups to create a stable democracy during the Tunisian Revolution (the start of the Arab Spring)

The sole success in actually establishing a functional democracy out of many more attempts, which was also because of the absence of strong social conflicts prior to the revolution that in its neighbours would have required some degree of authoritarianism to counter.

Best I wish for Middle East is contant flow of relatively sane and relatively secular autocrats.

But even an insane warlike, Tamerlane-cruelty-level-autocrat (like Saddam) is better than vote religious nuts like AKP or Brotherhood into power.

You do realise Kim Jong-un is a secular autocrat. Be careful about what types of autocrat you support

be careful about what types of democracy you support as well

[Durin VII]

So, UK, US and France attacked Syria again. Two military sites and one civilian site, leaving no death and three civilians wounded.

Well, so far it only shows that the UK, US and France once more piss on international law and have no issue with warcrimes. It also shows once again that they have no respect for any law as they consider people/parties guilty without any sort of investigation.
Last but not least, R.I.P. Russia's guts. Surley they were informed again which allowed Syria to evacuate the sites, but they failed in striking back, basically allowing the US, UK and France to continue their illegal attacks on Syria.

[Albrenia]

Best I wish for Middle East is contant flow of relatively sane and relatively secular autocrats.

But even an insane warlike, Tamerlane-cruelty-level-autocrat (like Saddam) is better than vote religious nuts like AKP or Brotherhood into power.

You do realise Kim Jong-un is a secular autocrat. Be careful about what types of autocrat you support

Although he does force people to worship him and claims he doesn't shit, so I'm not sure that counts as secular.

[Phoenicaea]

it seems from the poll here, that common people crossing the thread's page is made of different paste of the 2, 3, 4, pieces of wrong child writing colums here. more dignified. this is good to know.

[Albrenia]

it seems from the poll here, that common people crossing the thread's page is made of different paste of the 2, 3, 4, pieces of wrong child writing colums here. more dignified. this is good to know.

I'm a bit tired right now, so I don't actually understand what you mean here, sorry.

[Pilarcraft]

to avoid the Syrian situation, after at least three days of protest in the Isfahan, the Government declared martial law and a fucking curfew today. Welp, this, added to the situation in Ahwaz and in Isfahan proper, seems to just deteriorate the country's stability even further.

[Saikado]

Best I wish for Middle East is contant flow of relatively sane and relatively secular autocrats.

But even an insane warlike, Tamerlane-cruelty-level-autocrat (like Saddam) is better than vote religious nuts like AKP or Brotherhood into power.

You do realise Kim Jong-un is a secular autocrat. Be careful about what types of autocrat you support

He's a state atheist.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

You do realise Kim Jong-un is a secular autocrat. Be careful about what types of autocrat you support

be careful about what types of democracy you support as well

Well, I support liberal democracies

[The Empire of Pretantia]

You do realise Kim Jong-un is a secular autocrat. Be careful about what types of autocrat you support

He's a state atheist.

IE a secular autocrat.

[Saikado]

He's a state atheist.

IE a secular autocrat.

State atheism isn't secularism. Secularism is the separation of Church and State, in North Korea, religions are heavily persecuted by the State.

[The Empire of Pretantia]

IE a secular autocrat.

State atheism isn't secularism. Secularism is the separation of Church and State, in North Korea, religions are heavily persecuted by the State.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

[Aulus Maximus]

State atheism isn't secularism. Secularism is the separation of Church and State, in North Korea, religions are heavily persecuted by the State.

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

That doesn't imply they're synonymous.