Middle East Conflict Megathread (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc)

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Because they're dictatorial monsters who use chemical weapons on civilians

Id rather a stable dictatorship be the current situation than a massive civil war that allows islamic terrorist states to form and fill the power vacuum.

I'd rather a government similar to Iraq's than Assad's regime (May they all burn in hell)

[Salus Maior]

I think we all know gas was used. The point is who?

Obviously that faggot Assad. He's done it before.

So have the rebels. And it'd be in their interest to do it and attempt to frame Assad. It would not be in Assad's interests to use it when he didn't even need to.

[Salus Maior]

Id rather a stable dictatorship be the current situation than a massive civil war that allows islamic terrorist states to form and fill the power vacuum.

I'd rather a government similar to Iraq's than Assad's regime (May they all burn in hell)

You mean a weak, puppet government that allows millions of their own people to be killed by terrorists?

[The Tomerlands]

Because it's still a dictatorship. Plus just because something is winning doesn't mean you should support. And I'm not even sure they are winning.

So?

And yes, they are winning. The Rebels are only fighting now because they know they'll be killed if they surrender, it's a lost cause.

What do you mean so? You actually mean to tell me there's nothing wrong with supporting a government that gasses, oppresses, and tortures its own citizens?

[Salus Maior]

So?

And yes, they are winning. The Rebels are only fighting now because they know they'll be killed if they surrender, it's a lost cause.

What do you mean so? You actually mean to tell me there's nothing wrong with supporting a government that gasses, oppresses, and tortures its own citizens?

That depends to what end they're doing that for. And what the alternative is.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Obviously that faggot Assad. He's done it before.

So have the rebels. And it'd be in their interest to do it and attempt to frame Assad. It would not be in Assad's interests to use it when he didn't even need to.

And the rebels would use chemical weapons in their own territory, ha ha ha.

Reports say Syrian government helicopters dropped chemical weapons on Douma

[Datlofff]

Why not flee the country?

Because nobody wants to shelter professional troublemakers.

I mean how would they know you are a rebel? Not like the rebels keep a database.

[The Tomerlands]

Why not flee the country?

Because nobody wants to shelter professional troublemakers.

"Professional troublemakers"

Were you dropped on the head as a child?

[Socialist Czechia]

Kinda pathetic, how everyone in last 7 years condemns Assad for every (perceived, real or untrue) reason possible.

While Omar Hassan Ahmad al-Bashir, for example, is undoubtedly war criminal and mass murderer: but who cares about Sudan?
Arabia is ruled by extremist totalitarian regime for decades, hellhole for everyone, but oil is oil.

Who cares about Yemen, where Wahhabists uses ethnic and religious cleansing and mercenaries, denying help to civilians wherever possible?
Who cares about Libya, mostly rejecting internationally supported extremist government, rather fighting for Tobruk government?
Who cares about Somaliland, the only functional government in Somalia no one recognizes?

So much excrements around, but everyone throws it only to Assad's face

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

I'd rather a government similar to Iraq's than Assad's regime (May they all burn in hell)

You mean a weak, puppet government that allows millions of their own people to be killed by terrorists?

ISIS is screwed anyway. And I'm suggesting a situation similar to Afghanistan, where the US doesn't royally fuck everything up.

[Salus Maior]

So have the rebels. And it'd be in their interest to do it and attempt to frame Assad. It would not be in Assad's interests to use it when he didn't even need to.

And the rebels would use chemical weapons in their own territory, ha ha ha.

Reports say Syrian government helicopters dropped chemical weapons on Douma

Yes, they would. If it meant pulling in the U.S to fight Assad, that's the only possible way they could have a chance at winning now.

What reports? The last report that Assad used chemical weapons turned out to be false, or at least unfounded.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Kinda pathetic, how everyone in last 7 years condemns Assad for every (perceived, real or untrue) reason possible.

While Omar Hassan Ahmad al-Bashir, for example, is undoubtedly war criminal and mass murderer: but who cares about Sudan?
Arabia is ruled by extremist totalitarian regime for decades, hellhole for everyone, but oil is oil.

Who cares about Yemen, where Wahhabists uses ethnic and religious cleansing and mercenaries, denying help to civilians wherever possible?
Who cares about Libya, mostly rejecting internationally supported extremist government, rather fighting Tobruk government?
Who cares about Somaliland, the only functional government in Somalia no one recognizes?

So much excrements around, but everyone throws it only to Assad's face

Me. I care about how brutal the Saudi government is.

[Mujahidah]

I think we all know gas was used. The point is who?

Obviously that faggot Assad. He's done it before.

Assad isn't a man I like. He is a man of many flaws. He is a brutal dictator who kills his own people using Chemical Weapons. However, I'm pretty sure he isn't gay.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

And the rebels would use chemical weapons in their own territory, ha ha ha.

Reports say Syrian government helicopters dropped chemical weapons on Douma

Yes, they would. If it meant pulling in the U.S to fight Assad, that's the only possible way they could have a chance at winning now.

What reports? The last report that Assad used chemical weapons turned out to be false, or at least unfounded.

Any reasonable sources that the reports are false?

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Obviously that faggot Assad. He's done it before.

Assad isn't a man I like. He is a man of many flaws. He is a brutal dictator who kills his own people using Chemical Weapons. However, I'm pretty sure he isn't gay.

I used the term "faggot" as an insult, OK?

[Salus Maior]

ISIS is screwed anyway. And I'm suggesting a situation similar to Afghanistan, where the US doesn't royally fuck everything up.

Yeah, after killing, raping, and enslaving millions of people. But that's worth it, cause dictatorships are bad mmkay?

And Afghanistan is lost. The Taliban's on the verge of overrunning the government.

Hell, even U.S veterans I've spoken to say that it's a lost cause.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

ISIS is screwed anyway. And I'm suggesting a situation similar to Afghanistan, where the US doesn't royally fuck everything up.

Yeah, after killing, raping, and enslaving millions of people. But that's worth it, cause dictatorships are bad mmkay?

And Afghanistan is lost. The Taliban's on the verge of overrunning the government.

Hell, even U.S veterans I've spoken to say that it's a lost cause.

Well, just keep US military presence in the area until you can make an actual stable government.

[Fahran]

I'd rather a government similar to Iraq's than Assad's regime (May they all burn in hell)

You mean a weak, puppet government that allows millions of their own people to be killed by terrorists?

Millions of Iraqis haven't been killed by terrorists, and, despite close ties to Tehran, Iraq's government is not an Iranian puppet. The death toll from the Iraq War up until now is probably comparable to the death toll under Saddam Hussein, who committed genocide against two different ethnic groups, and the death toll of the Syrian Civil War, at least if we're using commonly cited estimates.

[Socialist Czechia]

And Afghanistan is lost. The Taliban's on the verge of overrunning the government.

Hell, even U.S veterans I've spoken to say that it's a lost cause.

U.S. could simply roflstomp Taliban and leave, before they were made common enemy. Perhaps it would end as islamic republic, perhaps it would return into conservative or progressive monarchy. Who knows. But it would be their decision.

But Americans just had to repeat mistakes of British and Russians... *facepalm*

[Kubra]

Oppressed populations doubling is pretty common, actually. You're a war nerd reader, you know the best way to respond to subjugation is: have a fuckton of babies and make em resent the local lords.
As for emigration in droves, a place doesn't need to be fucked up, just shitty compared to other prospects. Chinese peasants aren't facing existential threat, but they're flocking to cities on the coast, because they don't suck. If you don't become unemployed lumpen they're swell places to be.
Same here. Serbian kosovo stopped being a cool place to be during the war, it's gonna always have the baggage there, and there's no reason for folks wanting future prospects to stay.

You're talking about the general pattern of Urbanization, which happens on a regional scale. Was that the case in Chechnya? Nope.

Russians in 1989: 269,130
Russians in 2002: 40,645

North Ossetia: 189,159 and 164,734 (13%)
Kabardino-Balkaria: 240,750 and 226,620 (6%)
Karachay-Cherkessia: 175,931 and 147,878 (16%)
Dagestan: 165,940 and 120,875 (27%)
Chechnya: 269,130 and 40,645 (85%)

Same region. That would account for economics, urbanization, etc. But hey, Russians are the aggressors here, some random clueless person said so. Now, regarding the War Nerd Birth Rule - why's that also the case in North Ossetia? Russia has been protecting that region, so there's no hostility. Their population is also increasing quite rapidly.

Between 1989 and 2002, the population of Chechens in Ingushetia increased from 19,195 to 95,403. That's right, when Chechnya was independent, the Chechens fled their independent homeland to the most impoverished Russia region at the time in droves. Between 2002 and 2010, the population of Chechens in Ingushetia decreased from 95,403 to 18,765. War ended, reconstruction started, (by the Russians,) and the Chechens went home. Now, how many stories of abuse of the Russians in Chechnya by IIPB, or other Wahhabi Terrorist scum have you heard from the Western Press? Their objective is simple: when Russia does something DC doesn't like - demonize Russia using anecdotal evidence, and ensure that it masquerades as a general trend, and portray anyone stating the facts as a Russian Shill, without realizing how much that huts US Soft Power abroad, and hence the Dollar's Credibility.

That's why I call most of them - morons. Especially CNN. I'm no Trump fan, been rather explicit what that and about what I think of his man-child Twitter rants, (man-child here is used to describe his Twitter rants, not Trump, just want to clear up any modly confusion, since they prefer reading my posts in general rather than moderation,) but he's mostly right about CNN. And if he destroys their credibility, he'd be doing a country a service, whether it was intentional or not.

I use urbanisation as one example of rapid demographic change that doesn't involve bombs.
Certainly, the reason for the drop in the serbian population in those decades is a result of the war, which was pretty bad. The conundrum is why the population does not presently rebound, as one would expect of a post-war fertility correction. I'm not concerned with Chechnya, I'm str8 up nitpicking kosovo here because, like you, I find the statement that one would rather be a kosovo serb rather odd, though I suppose for different reasons.

[Fahran]

Assad isn't a man I like. He is a man of many flaws. He is a brutal dictator who kills his own people using Chemical Weapons. However, I'm pretty sure he isn't gay.

Since I'm in the mood to parody everyone who's claiming that Assad never allowed chemical weapons to be used against rebels despite all the circumstantial evidence... How can you prove that Assad isn't gay? Yes, he has a wife and three children, but have we ever seen him make love to a woman? At this point, it's just as probable that he prefers men.

[Datlofff]

Assad isn't a man I like. He is a man of many flaws. He is a brutal dictator who kills his own people using Chemical Weapons. However, I'm pretty sure he isn't gay.

Since I'm in the mood to parody everyone who's claiming that Assad never allowed chemical weapons to be used against rebels despite all the circumstantial evidence... How can you prove that Assad isn't gay? Yes, he has a wife and three children, but have we ever seen him make love to a woman? At this point, it's just as probable that he prefers men.

Okay. Ill bite.

If he has a wife and three children. Clearly he had to fuck to make those kids. There is little to no evidence that he likes men.

[Socialist Czechia]

Ethnic Russians made up 29% of the Chechen population before the war,[3] and they generally opposed independence.[4] Due to the mounting anti-Russian sentiment following the declaration of independence, by 1994 over 200,000 ethnic Russians had become refugees.[5]

The First Chechen War (December 1994 - August 1996) resulted in the victory of the separatist forces.[6] After achieving de facto independence from Russia in 1996, the Chechen government failed to establish order.[7] The region became plagued by kidnappings and violence between different Chechen clans.[7] In 1997 the Chechen Republic adopted sharia law and carried out public executions.[8][9] In November 1997 Chechnya was proclaimed an Islamic republic.

Russians did nothing wrong here, I would give exactly same orders regarding terrorist destruction, without any remorse.

[Constitutional Technocracy of Minecraft]

Since I'm in the mood to parody everyone who's claiming that Assad never allowed chemical weapons to be used against rebels despite all the circumstantial evidence... How can you prove that Assad isn't gay? Yes, he has a wife and three children, but have we ever seen him make love to a woman? At this point, it's just as probable that he prefers men.

Okay. Ill bite.

If he has a wife and three children. Clearly he had to fuck to make those kids. There is little to no evidence that he likes men.

And this whole discussion happened because I called Assad a faggot as an insult

[Salus Maior]

Yeah, after killing, raping, and enslaving millions of people. But that's worth it, cause dictatorships are bad mmkay?

And Afghanistan is lost. The Taliban's on the verge of overrunning the government.

Hell, even U.S veterans I've spoken to say that it's a lost cause.

Well, just keep US military presence in the area until you can make an actual stable government.

Nothing that the U.S has done has been enough in Afghanistan. The Taliban aren't just rednecks with guns, they're good fighters, and they're stronger than ever now.

And nobody wants to stay in Afghanistan at this point, the West wants out and it basically is now except for some groups attempting to train the Afghan army (another lost cause) and giving air support, which isn't enough. The writing's one the wall, really.