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What faction(s) do you support in the Syrian civil war? Check any that apply

Syrian government/SAA
98
18%
Syrian Democratic Forces/YPG
124
22%
Tahrir al-Sham (Nusra)
10
2%
Ahrar al-Sham/other opposition
14
3%
Turkey/TFSA
20
4%
ISIS
17
3%
Hezbollah
40
7%
Russia
55
10%
United States/NATO/Israel
130
23%
Iran
49
9%
 
Total votes : 557

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United Muscovite Nations
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:11 pm

Pilarcraft wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Arab is the most trustworthy race of mankind. Their innate sense of justice and virtue should be admired by all, and rewarded with a state from Morocco to the Gulf.

is this satirical? please let this be satirical

Semi-satirical.
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:19 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Ah yes, the trope of the treacherous Arab/Jew/Persian never gets old.

Perhaps we should all be posting the meme with the grotesque caricature rubbing his hands, just to drive the point home?

The Arab is the most trustworthy race of mankind. Their innate sense of justice and virtue should be admired by all, and rewarded with a state from Morocco to the Gulf.

Shurjah? Is that you?

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Postby Mujahidah » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:19 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Arab is the most trustworthy race of mankind. Their innate sense of justice and virtue should be admired by all, and rewarded with a state from Morocco to the Gulf.

Shurjah? Is that you?


lol no. UMN has gone full Saddam. Brace yourself :^)
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:23 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:Shurjah? Is that you?


lol no. UMN has gone full Saddam. Brace yourself :^)

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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:24 pm

I don't get what it is with UMN and Saddam either. He was an arch-enemy to Iran, and an enemy of sorts to Syria, both of whom are bros with [incense]Holy Russia[/incense].

Maybe it's because he had some Orthodox Christians in his government, idk.
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:24 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The Arab is the most trustworthy race of mankind. Their innate sense of justice and virtue should be admired by all, and rewarded with a state from Morocco to the Gulf.

Shurjah? Is that you?


The post, right above your post:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:is this satirical? please let this be satirical

Semi-satirical.


:P
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Postby Mujahidah » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:25 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
lol no. UMN has gone full Saddam. Brace yourself :^)

الله ، العراق ، وصدام


I see the Syrians are not as creative as they think.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:26 pm

Baltenstein wrote:I don't get what it is with UMN and Saddam either. He was an arch-enemy to Iran, and an enemy of sorts to Syria, both of whom are bros with [incense]Holy Russia[/incense].

Maybe it's because he had some Orthodox Christians in his government, idk.

I got hooked into an Iraqi Ba'athist facebook group and they've brainwashed me into loving Saddam. I like him more than Assad, though I don't know where I stand on a comparison between him and Russia.
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Postby Mujahidah » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:26 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:I don't get what it is with UMN and Saddam either. He was an arch-enemy to Iran, and an enemy of sorts to Syria, both of whom are bros with [incense]Holy Russia[/incense].

Maybe it's because he had some Orthodox Christians in his government, idk.

I got hooked into an Iraqi Ba'athist facebook group and they've brainwashed me into loving Saddam. I like him more than Assad, though I don't know where I stand on a comparison between him and Russia.


Saddam is clearly better than Russia :P
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:27 pm

Baltenstein wrote:I don't get what it is with UMN and Saddam either. He was an arch-enemy to Iran, and an enemy of sorts to Syria, both of whom are bros with [incense]Holy Russia[/incense].

Maybe it's because he had some Orthodox Christians in his government, idk.


Could be because he didn't discriminate against Christians in the Middle East. That tends be a winner with Christians: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/mid- ... ians-intro
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Postby Shofercia » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:29 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:I got hooked into an Iraqi Ba'athist facebook group and they've brainwashed me into loving Saddam. I like him more than Assad, though I don't know where I stand on a comparison between him and Russia.


Saddam is clearly better than Russia :P


I'm just disappointed that Saddam never built a dam that was sad. Otherwise I could say that Saddam built a sad dam.
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Postby The East Marches II » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:15 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Ah yes, the trope of the treacherous Arab/Jew/Persian never gets old.

Perhaps we should all be posting the meme with the grotesque caricature rubbing his hands, just to drive the point home?

The Arab is the most trustworthy race of mankind. Their innate sense of justice and virtue should be admired by all, and rewarded with a state from Morocco to the Gulf.


This is a good and correct post.

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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:07 pm

Shofercia wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:Shurjah? Is that you?


The post, right above your post:

United Muscovite Nations wrote:Semi-satirical.


:P

Twas a joke, my dear Shof.

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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:09 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:الله ، العراق ، وصدام


I see the Syrians are not as creative as they think.

Fuck. Am I on a list now for watching that?

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Postby Mujahidah » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:20 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:

Fuck. Am I on a list now for watching that?


Same list as me, I presume.
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Postby Sovaal » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:22 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:Ah yes, the trope of the treacherous Arab/Jew/Persian never gets old.

Perhaps we should all be posting the meme with the grotesque caricature rubbing his hands, just to drive the point home?

The Arab is the most trustworthy race of mankind. Their innate sense of justice and virtue should be admired by all, and rewarded with a state from Morocco to the Gulf.

B,but Berber Maghreb.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:43 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:

Fuck. Am I on a list now for watching that?

"Am I on a list for watching a video supporting a secularist leader who people can't even agree is a Muslim."

You might get on one for watching Iraqi Ba'athist vids, but not Syrian ones.
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:59 pm

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:

Fuck. Am I on a list now for watching that?


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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:38 am

In other news, the US are apparently fortifying their position in Manbij (Source is the Turkish state news agency, so naturally lots of "YPG = terrorists" talk.)

MANBIJ, Syria / ANKARA, Turkey

The U.S. is setting up two bases in Syria’s northern Manbij region, currently occupied by YPG/PKK terrorists, Anadolu Agency learned on Tuesday.

The U.S. is extending an observatory in Dadat village, northern Manbij, in order to build a base, according to information received from trustworthy local sources in Manbij.

Construction materials and heavy equipments have already been transported to southeast of the village.

The base will be located eight kilometers (4.9 miles) from Sajur River, which forms the frontline between Jarabulus, the Euphrates Shield area, and Manbij, the YPG/PKK invaded area.

The other base is being built four km (2.4 mi) from the frontline, south of Dadat.

U.S.-backed groups are staying in a farm named "Nuaymiyah" and are engaged in constructing and planning of the base.

When completed, this will be the closest U.S. base to the Euphrates Shield forces, which liberated parts of northern Syria during an operation led by Turkey from August 2016 to March 2017.

US sends reinforcements to Manbij

On Sunday, the U.S. deployed military reinforcements to northern Manbij, reacting against a possible counter-terror operation led by Turkey in the region.

Approximately 300 U.S. soldiers arrived in Manbij in a convoy, which included many armored vehicles and construction machines.

The additional troops have started patrolling Sajur River shore daily. Previously, the patrols occurred weekly.

Currently, there are three U.S. observation points in the opposition held Euphrates Shield region border zone.

Manbij district of Aleppo province was invaded by YPG/PKK terror group in Aug. 2016 with U.S. support.

Turkey launched Operation Olive Branch on Jan. 20 to clear terrorist groups from Afrin, northwestern Syria, amid growing threats from the region.

On March 18, Turkish-backed troops liberated the town of Afrin, a major hideout for the terrorist organization PYD/PKK since 2012.

Possible operation in Manbij

Ankara said it might also extend its operation further east to Manbij unless the PYD/PKK terrorist group leaves the strategically located city.

However, U.S. military support for the terrorist PYD/PKK group in Manbij has strained ties between Ankara and Washington and has led to fears of potential clashes on the ground between troops of the two NATO allies. There are roughly 2,000 U.S. troops in the city.

Turkey and the U.S. have established working groups to discuss the stabilization of Manbij and to prevent any undesirable clashes.

But due to the abrupt departure of former U.S. Secretary of State Rex Tillerson, who helped establish the working groups, the future of Manbij remains uncertain.

The U.S. has supported the YPG/PKK under the name of SDF, which Ankara considers the Syrian offshoot of the PKK terror organization.

The PKK has fought a 33-year war against Turkey that has resulted in tens of thousands of deaths, including those of women and children.


https://aa.com.tr/en/middle-east/us-set ... ia/1106989
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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:40 am

In other news, The on-going Protests in Ahwaz, Iran, have claimed the lives of at least ten people in a traditional teahouse when someone (the official Iranian story is one of the protestors. Personally, I doubt it) set it on fire a couple days ago. The Arson at Rex Theater anyone?
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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:43 am

Pilarcraft wrote:In other news, The on-going Protests in Ahwaz, Iran, have claimed the lives of at least ten people in a traditional teahouse when someone (the official Iranian story is one of the protestors. Personally, I doubt it) set it on fire a couple days ago. The Arson at Rex Theater anyone?


Iran has reacted to these protests the way any sane country would - by banning English lessons.
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Postby Pilarcraft » Wed Apr 04, 2018 2:44 am

Baltenstein wrote:
Pilarcraft wrote:In other news, The on-going Protests in Ahwaz, Iran, have claimed the lives of at least ten people in a traditional teahouse when someone (the official Iranian story is one of the protestors. Personally, I doubt it) set it on fire a couple days ago. The Arson at Rex Theater anyone?


Iran has reacted to these protests the way any sane country would - by banning English lessons.

The Fire (and Ahwaz demonstrations) happened in protest to the banning of English Lessons. :p
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Postby Al-Ismailiyya » Wed Apr 04, 2018 3:28 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Al-Ismailiyya wrote:Fuck. Am I on a list now for watching that?

"Am I on a list for watching a video supporting a secularist leader who people can't even agree is a Muslim."

You might get on one for watching Iraqi Ba'athist vids, but not Syrian ones.

I mean, I'm an Iranian in the US watching a pro-Assad propaganda video lol.

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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:12 am

Al-Ismailiyya wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:"Am I on a list for watching a video supporting a secularist leader who people can't even agree is a Muslim."

You might get on one for watching Iraqi Ba'athist vids, but not Syrian ones.

I mean, I'm an Iranian in the US watching a pro-Assad propaganda video lol.

I'm just saying, there's whole websites in the West dedicated to supporting Assad, and probably the most active political community on the internet (/pol/) is pro-Assad almost universally.
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Postby Aulus Maximus » Wed Apr 04, 2018 11:51 am

Assad isn't really my personal favorite but....there is no better alternative other than him. Well TEV-DEM got some federalization programs which could help but then again I just hope Aleppo will become the Paris of the Middle East then.
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