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What faction(s) do you support in the Syrian civil war? Check any that apply

Syrian government/SAA
98
18%
Syrian Democratic Forces/YPG
124
22%
Tahrir al-Sham (Nusra)
10
2%
Ahrar al-Sham/other opposition
14
3%
Turkey/TFSA
20
4%
ISIS
17
3%
Hezbollah
40
7%
Russia
55
10%
United States/NATO/Israel
130
23%
Iran
49
9%
 
Total votes : 557

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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:32 pm

Torrocca wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote: :shock:
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That sounds like a recipe for disaster there.
Or would there be independent cities-states?
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:34 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
ALL NATIONS ABOLISHED

EVERY PERSON FREE

That sounds like a recipe for disaster there.
Or would there be independent cities-states?


Small, close-knit communities all connected internationally that have participatory direct democracy and no capitalism. :^)
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:35 pm

Torrocca wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That sounds like a recipe for disaster there.
Or would there be independent cities-states?


Small, close-knit communities all connected internationally that have participatory direct democracy and no capitalism. :^)

How are they connected?
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:37 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Small, close-knit communities all connected internationally that have participatory direct democracy and no capitalism. :^)

How are they connected?


Through technology of course! Once fully-autonomous society is possible, it'd practically be an inevitability! (Unless the Capitalist overlords decide to use robots to systematically slaughter all us poor people).
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:43 pm

Torrocca wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:How are they connected?


Through technology of course! Once fully-autonomous society is possible, it'd practically be an inevitability! (Unless the Capitalist overlords decide to use robots to systematically slaughter all us poor people).

I'll continue this in the LWDT.
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Postby Aulus Maximus » Sun Apr 01, 2018 2:29 am

Torrocca wrote:
El-Amin Caliphate wrote:That sounds like a recipe for disaster there.
Or would there be independent cities-states?


Small, close-knit communities all connected internationally that have participatory direct democracy and no capitalism. :^)

Oh wow! what would happen if one toxic male would conquer all communities or if they would voluntarily give their power to combine efforts and centralize? :^)

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Postby Mujahidah » Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:06 pm

Western-Ukraine wrote:
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Fuck Israel. That state is a cesspit of ethnic cleansing and ethno/religious supremacism. Its fucking disgusting that they use the victims of the Holocaust to prop up this apartheid regime.

Really now, it's a video on Twitter. There's nothing to verify the circumstances.


Circumstances of the video confirmed, fyi.

Not being petty, just wanted to come back with a source on them.
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Postby Liberal Xalq Partiyasi » Mon Apr 02, 2018 5:20 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Improved werpland wrote:Only 10% of West Libyan voters want the Gaddafis back.

Maybe it’s time to accept we did the right thing?

The amount of people who want to put the old leaders back in charge doesn't always correlate to the amount of people who think it was a mistake to get rid of those leaders in the first place. For example, you get radically different numbers of people voting for the Communist Party in Russia compared to the amount who say the dissolution of the USSR was a mistake.

The CPRF won several elections at first but then they proved to be dipshits and Putin became the great bringer of stability and ""Russian Pride.""
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:11 pm

Liberal Xalq Partiyasi wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The amount of people who want to put the old leaders back in charge doesn't always correlate to the amount of people who think it was a mistake to get rid of those leaders in the first place. For example, you get radically different numbers of people voting for the Communist Party in Russia compared to the amount who say the dissolution of the USSR was a mistake.

The CPRF won several elections at first but then they proved to be dipshits and Putin became the great bringer of stability and ""Russian Pride.""

That's true, but there's still a huge disparity. Something like 50% of Russians say that they were better off under the USSR than they are today, but only like 10% vote for the KPRF. It was the same in Ukraine, where only in 2011 about 65% of Ukrainians said that they disapproved of the transition from socialism to capitalism (and a roughly equal proportion said they disapproved of the transition to democracy), but the KPU didn't break 4% in the presidential election of 2010.
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Postby Mujahidah » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:17 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Liberal Xalq Partiyasi wrote:The CPRF won several elections at first but then they proved to be dipshits and Putin became the great bringer of stability and ""Russian Pride.""

That's true, but there's still a huge disparity. Something like 50% of Russians say that they were better off under the USSR than they are today, but only like 10% vote for the KPRF. It was the same in Ukraine, where only in 2011 about 65% of Ukrainians said that they disapproved of the transition from socialism to capitalism (and a roughly equal proportion said they disapproved of the transition to democracy), but the KPU didn't break 4% in the presidential election of 2010.


Perhaps it could be because they (quite understandably) believe that the way the transition happened was flawed and destructive, but don't necessarily think that the previous system was best?
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:20 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:That's true, but there's still a huge disparity. Something like 50% of Russians say that they were better off under the USSR than they are today, but only like 10% vote for the KPRF. It was the same in Ukraine, where only in 2011 about 65% of Ukrainians said that they disapproved of the transition from socialism to capitalism (and a roughly equal proportion said they disapproved of the transition to democracy), but the KPU didn't break 4% in the presidential election of 2010.


Perhaps it could be because they (quite understandably) believe that the way the transition happened was flawed and destructive, but don't necessarily think that the previous system was best?

The poll said that majorities in both Ukraine and Russia at the time believed that democratic elections were unimportant.
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Postby Mujahidah » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:20 pm

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Perhaps it could be because they (quite understandably) believe that the way the transition happened was flawed and destructive, but don't necessarily think that the previous system was best?

The poll said that majorities in both Ukraine and Russia at the time believed that democratic elections were unimportant.


Huh. Strange that they wouldn't just vote for the Communists then.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Mon Apr 02, 2018 6:22 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
United Muscovite Nations wrote:The poll said that majorities in both Ukraine and Russia at the time believed that democratic elections were unimportant.


Huh. Strange that they wouldn't just vote for the Communists then.

Presumably many, as I believe is also the case in Libya, simply believe it's too late to reverse what happened, so may as well continue going through with it.
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Postby Saiwania » Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:23 pm



I'm still siding with the IDF, on the grounds that the Palestinian side would use just as much violence if given the chance. There is no good or bad side in this war or dispute. I just happen to back an official and established developed nation over a wannabe country that is occupied or oppressed and unrecognized, because they lose too many wars.
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Mon Apr 02, 2018 8:28 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:They don't.


Yes they do. Saudi Arabia is the leading example of this, even.


If you want an example of true Islamic governments, try Morocco or Oman.

Saudi Arabia is...well, not quite the best example. Yes, they are Islamic monarchy kingdom, the Saud. But they also have foreign influence from US and they also directly influenced...well, nations.


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That's hard, since Sunni Muslims considers everyone non-Sunni to be filthy heretic awaiting to be bullied or just quickly purged (the difference between 'moderate muslims' and 'islamists').

Nice overgeneralization of Sunni Muslims.


Not very far from few Sunni Muslim communities, though. I know there are few who kind of...well, like that.


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How about all nations be abolished and we just have one worldwide party to end all parties? :^)

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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:44 am

United Muscovite Nations wrote:
Liberal Xalq Partiyasi wrote:The CPRF won several elections at first but then they proved to be dipshits and Putin became the great bringer of stability and ""Russian Pride.""

That's true, but there's still a huge disparity. Something like 50% of Russians say that they were better off under the USSR than they are today, but only like 10% vote for the KPRF. It was the same in Ukraine, where only in 2011 about 65% of Ukrainians said that they disapproved of the transition from socialism to capitalism (and a roughly equal proportion said they disapproved of the transition to democracy), but the KPU didn't break 4% in the presidential election of 2010.


The people in Russia and Ukraine probably understand that it's impossible to go back to how things were under the Soviet Union, so there's no point in trying to revive its leftovers.
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Postby MERIZoC » Tue Apr 03, 2018 12:49 am

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Postby Socialist Czechia » Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:24 am

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Kurds should finally realize that loyalty to Assad is their only chance to gain something. Americans already betrayed them twice, first zero support and humiliation in Iraq and now, silent when Turkish devils are slaughtering Kurdish civilians and executing prisoners.
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:38 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:Tal Riffat under control of Syrian Army Republican Guard and Russian Army



Kurds should finally realize that loyalty to Assad is their only chance to gain something. Americans already betrayed them twice, first zero support and humiliation in Iraq and now, silent when Turkish devils are slaughtering Kurdish civilians and executing prisoners.


Yeah, that's a cute thing to say, but you are kinda omitting the tiny detail that it was the Russian region of Afrin where the Kurds got thrown under the bus and Turkey invaded, whereas the American region of Manbij - and by extension, east of Manbij - remains as of yet untouched by Erdogan, and will, by the looks of it, also receive a French military presence in immediate future, guarding as an additional safeguard against Turkish incursions.
So my guess would be that the latest turn of events hasn't exactly warmed up the Kurds to get cozy with Russia's man Assad.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:46 am

Baltenstein wrote:So my guess would be that the latest turn of events hasn't exactly warmed up the Kurds to get cozy with Russia's man Assad.


Say that Assad is Russia's man, is as fair as to say Franco was Hitler's man. :D

You can't really be choosy in allies when you are fighting civil war and no one else will send you real support.
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:51 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:So my guess would be that the latest turn of events hasn't exactly warmed up the Kurds to get cozy with Russia's man Assad.


Say that Assad is Russia's man, is as fair as to say Franco was Hitler's man. :D

You can't really be choosy in allies when you are fighting civil war and no one else will send you real support.


No, it's more like saying that Mussolini - as leader of the Italian Social Republic - was Hitler's man, which he was.

The Kurds have chosen their allies. They are currently (emphasis mine) - siding with the US in the region, because doing so means the likelihood of independence is higher than zero. Whereas siding with Assad and Russia would make it a solid zero.
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Postby The Knockout Gun Gals » Tue Apr 03, 2018 1:57 am

Baltenstein wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:
Say that Assad is Russia's man, is as fair as to say Franco was Hitler's man. :D

You can't really be choosy in allies when you are fighting civil war and no one else will send you real support.


No, it's more like saying that Mussolini - as leader of the Italian Social Republic - was Hitler's man, which he was.

The Kurds have chosen their allies. They are currently (emphasis mine) - siding with the US in the region, because doing so means the likelihood of independence is higher than zero. Whereas siding with Assad and Russia would make it a solid zero.


Forgive me for my lack of knowledge about Kurdish, but why their chance would be zero solid if they siding with Assad and Russia?
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:01 am

By the way, so far the Russo-Turkish cooperation plan has worked like clockwork:

1.) Russian leave Afrin in exchange for Turkey dropping its support for anti-Assad rebels in Idlib
2.) Turks invade and occupy Afrin
3.) Syrian army invades Idlib

Biggest question now will be the Postbellum status of Afrin and other Turkish occupied regions - wether Turkey will simply hand the regions over to Assad (rather unlikely), retain a permanent military and political presence there or even annex the place, Northern Cyprus-style.
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Postby Baltenstein » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:05 am

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
No, it's more like saying that Mussolini - as leader of the Italian Social Republic - was Hitler's man, which he was.

The Kurds have chosen their allies. They are currently (emphasis mine) - siding with the US in the region, because doing so means the likelihood of independence is higher than zero. Whereas siding with Assad and Russia would make it a solid zero.


Forgive me for my lack of knowledge about Kurdish, but why their chance would be zero solid if they siding with Assad and Russia?


Assad has made it clear on several occasions that he won't tolerate any Kurdish break-away separatism on his authority. For the Kurds, siding with Assad would simply mean returning to the Status Quo Ante, which is the opposite of what the SDF wants.
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Postby Aulus Maximus » Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:06 am

The Knockout Gun Gals wrote:Not very far from few Sunni Muslim communities, though. I know there are few who kind of...well, like that.

There are Sunni groups that do condemn non-Sunnis or even Sunnis that do not hold to their viewpoints yes. But again, it's an over generalization. Not all Sunnis go out and takfir people.

There are all sorts of people among Sunnis and Shias, really.
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