Middle East Conflict Megathread (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc)

[El-Amin Caliphate]

I'm good.
#TheKhilafahShallRiseAgain
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ALL NATIONS ABOLISHED

EVERY PERSON FREE

That sounds like a recipe for disaster there.
Or would there be independent cities-states?

[Torrocca]

ALL NATIONS ABOLISHED

EVERY PERSON FREE

That sounds like a recipe for disaster there.
Or would there be independent cities-states?

Small, close-knit communities all connected internationally that have participatory direct democracy and no capitalism. :^)

[El-Amin Caliphate]

That sounds like a recipe for disaster there.
Or would there be independent cities-states?

Small, close-knit communities all connected internationally that have participatory direct democracy and no capitalism. :^)

How are they connected?

[Torrocca]

Small, close-knit communities all connected internationally that have participatory direct democracy and no capitalism. :^)

How are they connected?

Through technology of course! Once fully-autonomous society is possible, it'd practically be an inevitability! (Unless the Capitalist overlords decide to use robots to systematically slaughter all us poor people).

[El-Amin Caliphate]

How are they connected?

Through technology of course! Once fully-autonomous society is possible, it'd practically be an inevitability! (Unless the Capitalist overlords decide to use robots to systematically slaughter all us poor people).

I'll continue this in the LWDT.

[Aulus Maximus]

That sounds like a recipe for disaster there.
Or would there be independent cities-states?

Small, close-knit communities all connected internationally that have participatory direct democracy and no capitalism. :^)

Oh wow! what would happen if one toxic male would conquer all communities or if they would voluntarily give their power to combine efforts and centralize? :^)

t. Hobbes

[Mujahidah]

Fuck Israel. That state is a cesspit of ethnic cleansing and ethno/religious supremacism. Its fucking disgusting that they use the victims of the Holocaust to prop up this apartheid regime.

Really now, it's a video on Twitter. There's nothing to verify the circumstances.

Circumstances of the video confirmed, fyi.

Not being petty, just wanted to come back with a source on them.

[Liberal Xalq Partiyasi]

Only 10% of West Libyan voters want the Gaddafis back.

Maybe it’s time to accept we did the right thing?

The amount of people who want to put the old leaders back in charge doesn't always correlate to the amount of people who think it was a mistake to get rid of those leaders in the first place. For example, you get radically different numbers of people voting for the Communist Party in Russia compared to the amount who say the dissolution of the USSR was a mistake.

The CPRF won several elections at first but then they proved to be dipshits and Putin became the great bringer of stability and ""Russian Pride.""

[United Muscovite Nations]

The amount of people who want to put the old leaders back in charge doesn't always correlate to the amount of people who think it was a mistake to get rid of those leaders in the first place. For example, you get radically different numbers of people voting for the Communist Party in Russia compared to the amount who say the dissolution of the USSR was a mistake.

The CPRF won several elections at first but then they proved to be dipshits and Putin became the great bringer of stability and ""Russian Pride.""

That's true, but there's still a huge disparity. Something like 50% of Russians say that they were better off under the USSR than they are today, but only like 10% vote for the KPRF. It was the same in Ukraine, where only in 2011 about 65% of Ukrainians said that they disapproved of the transition from socialism to capitalism (and a roughly equal proportion said they disapproved of the transition to democracy), but the KPU didn't break 4% in the presidential election of 2010.

[Mujahidah]

The CPRF won several elections at first but then they proved to be dipshits and Putin became the great bringer of stability and ""Russian Pride.""

That's true, but there's still a huge disparity. Something like 50% of Russians say that they were better off under the USSR than they are today, but only like 10% vote for the KPRF. It was the same in Ukraine, where only in 2011 about 65% of Ukrainians said that they disapproved of the transition from socialism to capitalism (and a roughly equal proportion said they disapproved of the transition to democracy), but the KPU didn't break 4% in the presidential election of 2010.

Perhaps it could be because they (quite understandably) believe that the way the transition happened was flawed and destructive, but don't necessarily think that the previous system was best?

[United Muscovite Nations]

That's true, but there's still a huge disparity. Something like 50% of Russians say that they were better off under the USSR than they are today, but only like 10% vote for the KPRF. It was the same in Ukraine, where only in 2011 about 65% of Ukrainians said that they disapproved of the transition from socialism to capitalism (and a roughly equal proportion said they disapproved of the transition to democracy), but the KPU didn't break 4% in the presidential election of 2010.

Perhaps it could be because they (quite understandably) believe that the way the transition happened was flawed and destructive, but don't necessarily think that the previous system was best?

The poll said that majorities in both Ukraine and Russia at the time believed that democratic elections were unimportant.

[Mujahidah]

Perhaps it could be because they (quite understandably) believe that the way the transition happened was flawed and destructive, but don't necessarily think that the previous system was best?

The poll said that majorities in both Ukraine and Russia at the time believed that democratic elections were unimportant.

Huh. Strange that they wouldn't just vote for the Communists then.

[United Muscovite Nations]

The poll said that majorities in both Ukraine and Russia at the time believed that democratic elections were unimportant.

Huh. Strange that they wouldn't just vote for the Communists then.

Presumably many, as I believe is also the case in Libya, simply believe it's too late to reverse what happened, so may as well continue going through with it.

[Saiwania]

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Barbaric

I'm still siding with the IDF, on the grounds that the Palestinian side would use just as much violence if given the chance. There is no good or bad side in this war or dispute. I just happen to back an official and established developed nation over a wannabe country that is occupied or oppressed and unrecognized, because they lose too many wars.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

They don't.

Yes they do. Saudi Arabia is the leading example of this, even.

If you want an example of true Islamic governments, try Morocco or Oman.

Saudi Arabia is...well, not quite the best example. Yes, they are Islamic monarchy kingdom, the Saud. But they also have foreign influence from US and they also directly influenced...well, nations.

That's hard, since Sunni Muslims considers everyone non-Sunni to be filthy heretic awaiting to be bullied or just quickly purged (the difference between 'moderate muslims' and 'islamists').

Nice overgeneralization of Sunni Muslims.

Not very far from few Sunni Muslim communities, though. I know there are few who kind of...well, like that.

How about all nations be abolished and we just have one worldwide party to end all parties? :^)

I'm good.
#TheKhilafahShallRiseAgain
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From where we should start the Caliphate, though? I mean, if we able to start one. The Muslims are kind of split up in the religion itself. We have Shia, Sunni, Ibadis.

[Baltenstein]

The CPRF won several elections at first but then they proved to be dipshits and Putin became the great bringer of stability and ""Russian Pride.""

That's true, but there's still a huge disparity. Something like 50% of Russians say that they were better off under the USSR than they are today, but only like 10% vote for the KPRF. It was the same in Ukraine, where only in 2011 about 65% of Ukrainians said that they disapproved of the transition from socialism to capitalism (and a roughly equal proportion said they disapproved of the transition to democracy), but the KPU didn't break 4% in the presidential election of 2010.

The people in Russia and Ukraine probably understand that it's impossible to go back to how things were under the Soviet Union, so there's no point in trying to revive its leftovers.

[MERIZoC]

"What is wahhabism?"

[Socialist Czechia]

Tal Riffat under control of Syrian Army Republican Guard and Russian Army

Kurds should finally realize that loyalty to Assad is their only chance to gain something. Americans already betrayed them twice, first zero support and humiliation in Iraq and now, silent when Turkish devils are slaughtering Kurdish civilians and executing prisoners.

[Baltenstein]

Tal Riffat under control of Syrian Army Republican Guard and Russian Army

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Kurds should finally realize that loyalty to Assad is their only chance to gain something. Americans already betrayed them twice, first zero support and humiliation in Iraq and now, silent when Turkish devils are slaughtering Kurdish civilians and executing prisoners.

Yeah, that's a cute thing to say, but you are kinda omitting the tiny detail that it was the Russian region of Afrin where the Kurds got thrown under the bus and Turkey invaded, whereas the American region of Manbij - and by extension, east of Manbij - remains as of yet untouched by Erdogan, and will, by the looks of it, also receive a French military presence in immediate future, guarding as an additional safeguard against Turkish incursions.
So my guess would be that the latest turn of events hasn't exactly warmed up the Kurds to get cozy with Russia's man Assad.

[Socialist Czechia]

So my guess would be that the latest turn of events hasn't exactly warmed up the Kurds to get cozy with Russia's man Assad.

Say that Assad is Russia's man, is as fair as to say Franco was Hitler's man.

You can't really be choosy in allies when you are fighting civil war and no one else will send you real support.

[Baltenstein]

So my guess would be that the latest turn of events hasn't exactly warmed up the Kurds to get cozy with Russia's man Assad.

Say that Assad is Russia's man, is as fair as to say Franco was Hitler's man.

You can't really be choosy in allies when you are fighting civil war and no one else will send you real support.

No, it's more like saying that Mussolini - as leader of the Italian Social Republic - was Hitler's man, which he was.

The Kurds have chosen their allies. They are currently (emphasis mine) - siding with the US in the region, because doing so means the likelihood of independence is higher than zero. Whereas siding with Assad and Russia would make it a solid zero.

[The Knockout Gun Gals]

Say that Assad is Russia's man, is as fair as to say Franco was Hitler's man.

You can't really be choosy in allies when you are fighting civil war and no one else will send you real support.

No, it's more like saying that Mussolini - as leader of the Italian Social Republic - was Hitler's man, which he was.

The Kurds have chosen their allies. They are currently (emphasis mine) - siding with the US in the region, because doing so means the likelihood of independence is higher than zero. Whereas siding with Assad and Russia would make it a solid zero.

Forgive me for my lack of knowledge about Kurdish, but why their chance would be zero solid if they siding with Assad and Russia?

[Baltenstein]

By the way, so far the Russo-Turkish cooperation plan has worked like clockwork:

1.) Russian leave Afrin in exchange for Turkey dropping its support for anti-Assad rebels in Idlib
2.) Turks invade and occupy Afrin
3.) Syrian army invades Idlib

Biggest question now will be the Postbellum status of Afrin and other Turkish occupied regions - wether Turkey will simply hand the regions over to Assad (rather unlikely), retain a permanent military and political presence there or even annex the place, Northern Cyprus-style.

[Baltenstein]

No, it's more like saying that Mussolini - as leader of the Italian Social Republic - was Hitler's man, which he was.

The Kurds have chosen their allies. They are currently (emphasis mine) - siding with the US in the region, because doing so means the likelihood of independence is higher than zero. Whereas siding with Assad and Russia would make it a solid zero.

Forgive me for my lack of knowledge about Kurdish, but why their chance would be zero solid if they siding with Assad and Russia?

Assad has made it clear on several occasions that he won't tolerate any Kurdish break-away separatism on his authority. For the Kurds, siding with Assad would simply mean returning to the Status Quo Ante, which is the opposite of what the SDF wants.

[Aulus Maximus]

Not very far from few Sunni Muslim communities, though. I know there are few who kind of...well, like that.

There are Sunni groups that do condemn non-Sunnis or even Sunnis that do not hold to their viewpoints yes. But again, it's an over generalization. Not all Sunnis go out and takfir people.

There are all sorts of people among Sunnis and Shias, really.