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What faction(s) do you support in the Syrian civil war? Check any that apply

Syrian government/SAA
98
18%
Syrian Democratic Forces/YPG
124
22%
Tahrir al-Sham (Nusra)
10
2%
Ahrar al-Sham/other opposition
14
3%
Turkey/TFSA
20
4%
ISIS
17
3%
Hezbollah
40
7%
Russia
55
10%
United States/NATO/Israel
130
23%
Iran
49
9%
 
Total votes : 557

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Postby Torrocca » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:43 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
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Eww no, secular societies are better.

Then do so in Dar al-Kufr, not Dar Al-Islam.


If the Kurds want themselves a secular society they ought to have one.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:44 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Socialist Czechia wrote:
I think to do that, you must heavily support Kurds and Shias and Alawites (and other minorities) against Turks and Sunni Arabs.

Like, really support.

Send an army and unending series of air strikes and declare total war, at least to Islamist Turkey and Wahhabist Arabia.
Fanatical Sunnis are the main core of the problem here.

Muslimeen don't need divide-and-conquer strategies in our Ummah. We should be united, not divided.


That's hard, since Sunni Muslims considers everyone non-Sunni to be filthy heretic awaiting to be bullied or just quickly purged (the difference between 'moderate muslims' and 'islamists').
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:45 am

Torrocca wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Then do so in Dar al-Kufr, not Dar Al-Islam.


If the Kurds want themselves a secular society they ought to have one.

http://legacy.quran.com/2/216
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:46 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
If the Kurds want themselves a secular society they ought to have one.

http://legacy.quran.com/2/216
"But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you."

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Postby Torrocca » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:49 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
If the Kurds want themselves a secular society they ought to have one.

http://legacy.quran.com/2/216
"But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you."


The fuck does that have to do with what I said?
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Postby Auze » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:53 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
How about we support the Kurds in forming their anarcho-socislist society in the Middle East and not support Assad?

Because the last time the Kurds tried to create their own country, they persecuted non-Kurds in the region.
And besides, no. The Kurds are Muslims, they should have an Islamic gov just like every other Muslim-majority country.

Define an Islamic gov, because Kurdistan is currently trying to protect religious minorities like the pagan religions and Zoroastrianism, as well as Christianity.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:55 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
If the Kurds want themselves a secular society they ought to have one.

http://legacy.quran.com/2/216
"But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you."


That actually makes sense, you see: hate can make you strong and focused to survive and fight.

If I saw as a soldier family burned alive by islamist militias, only hate would probably help me from descent into madness.
One thing is sure, after seeing such images, I'd never take prisoners of war.

I highly respect SAA soldiers able to imprison islamist murderers and rapists alive, especially if their own families suffered from their hands.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:59 am

Torrocca wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:http://legacy.quran.com/2/216
"But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you."


The fuck does that have to do with what I said?

In this context, the Kurds may like a secular gov, even though it's bad for them as Muslims. They might not like Islamic govs, even though it's better for them as Muslims.
http://legacy.quran.com/2/216
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Auze wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Because the last time the Kurds tried to create their own country, they persecuted non-Kurds in the region.
And besides, no. The Kurds are Muslims, they should have an Islamic gov just like every other Muslim-majority country.

Define an Islamic gov, because Kurdistan is currently trying to protect religious minorities like the pagan religions and Zoroastrianism, as well as Christianity.

Islamic gov: and government that runs the country based on the Holy Qur'an and Sunnah
Socialist Czechia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:http://legacy.quran.com/2/216
"But perhaps you hate a thing and it is good for you; and perhaps you love a thing and it is bad for you."


That actually makes sense, you see: hate can make you strong and focused to survive and fight.

If I saw as a soldier family burned alive by islamist militias, only hate would probably help me from descent into madness.
One thing is sure, after seeing such images, I'd never take prisoners of war.

I highly respect SAA soldiers able to imprison islamist murderers and rapists alive, especially if their own families suffered from their hands.

What does this have to do with what I said?
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby Torrocca » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:02 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The fuck does that have to do with what I said?

In this context, the Kurds may like a secular gov, even though it's bad for them as Muslims. They might not like Islamic govs, even though it's better for them as Muslims.


Uh-huh. And how would that be when Islamic governments have s tendency to restrict rights?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:02 am

Torrocca wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:In this context, the Kurds may like a secular gov, even though it's bad for them as Muslims. They might not like Islamic govs, even though it's better for them as Muslims.


Uh-huh. And how would that be when Islamic governments have s tendency to restrict rights?

They don't.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:17 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Uh-huh. And how would that be when Islamic governments have s tendency to restrict rights?

They don't.

They do.
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:00 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Uh-huh. And how would that be when Islamic governments have s tendency to restrict rights?

They don't.


Yes they do. Saudi Arabia is the leading example of this, even.
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Postby The Empire of Pretantia » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:07 am

Torrocca wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:They don't.


Yes they do. Saudi Arabia is the leading example of this, even.

That's just a government with Muslims, not an Islamic government. :/\)
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Mar 31, 2018 9:55 am

Torrocca wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:They don't.


Yes they do. Saudi Arabia is the leading example of this, even.

I thought we were talking about Islamic govs.
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Postby United Muscovite Nations » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:12 am

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Yes they do. Saudi Arabia is the leading example of this, even.

I thought we were talking about Islamic govs.

Saudi Arabia's government is explicitly Islamic.
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:25 am

These animals should consider themselves lucky to be alive

And instead, they dare to whine and moan about 'unfair trials'. I would give them trial like during Stalin's Purge.
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Postby Aulus Maximus » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:49 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Muslimeen don't need divide-and-conquer strategies in our Ummah. We should be united, not divided.


That's hard, since Sunni Muslims considers everyone non-Sunni to be filthy heretic awaiting to be bullied or just quickly purged (the difference between 'moderate muslims' and 'islamists').

Nice overgeneralization of Sunni Muslims.
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Postby MERIZoC » Sat Mar 31, 2018 10:51 am

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MERIZoC wrote:your views on the topic are morally reprehensible

How so? I think both sides should not get away for their crimes. Is fairness now morally reprehensible?

The scope of the atrocities perpetuated by one side far outstrips the "crimes" of the other. You're no different from the white moderates saying "gosh, this Nelson Mandela fellow is being really violent. Violence is NEVER acceptable".

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Postby Taihei Tengoku » Sat Mar 31, 2018 11:45 am

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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:22 pm

Thermodolia wrote:

Israel just needs to straight up annex all of Palestine. And a few other places, Greater Israel should be a thing

Agreed. They can stop once they reach Iraq.
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:49 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Thermodolia wrote:Israel just needs to straight up annex all of Palestine. And a few other places, Greater Israel should be a thing

Agreed. They can stop once they reach Iraq.


How about no
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Postby Northern Davincia » Sat Mar 31, 2018 3:58 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Agreed. They can stop once they reach Iraq.


How about no

You're right, they should go even further.
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:04 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
How about no

You're right, they should go even further.


How about all nations be abolished and we just have one worldwide party to end all parties? :^)
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Postby El-Amin Caliphate » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:26 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:You're right, they should go even further.


How about all nations be abolished and we just have one worldwide party to end all parties? :^)

:shock:
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:31 pm

El-Amin Caliphate wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
How about all nations be abolished and we just have one worldwide party to end all parties? :^)

:shock:
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