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What faction(s) do you support in the Syrian civil war? Check any that apply

Syrian government/SAA
98
18%
Syrian Democratic Forces/YPG
124
22%
Tahrir al-Sham (Nusra)
10
2%
Ahrar al-Sham/other opposition
14
3%
Turkey/TFSA
20
4%
ISIS
17
3%
Hezbollah
40
7%
Russia
55
10%
United States/NATO/Israel
130
23%
Iran
49
9%
 
Total votes : 557

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Postby Rio Cana » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:55 pm

All this hate on both sides and the thing is that going back to ancient times both sides are related to Abraham. Abraham s first son Ishmael line ends up becoming the Arab people. One of his other sons Isaac, 14 years later and with a different wife, ends up becoming the Israeli people. Which means Israelis and Arabs are half related.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:08 pm

Torrocca wrote:The Swiss specifically were involved in getting the Nazi government to specially mark Jewish passports so they could turn them away. They fucking very well sent them off to death like a bunch of barbaric fuckwits.

Because the Swiss had so many options to stand their ground against the Nazis. :roll:
Nah, but you argued that Palestinians are barbaric with no standing metric or any basis in reality while the Israelis, who do the same shit they do, are "civilized".

>gay men are executed
>selling land to Jews entails execution
>destroys copies of books written by women (and that's only the beginning when it comes to women's rights)
>use of torture is permissible by law enforcement

There comes a point when this should be considered too much.
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:09 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:The Swiss specifically were involved in getting the Nazi government to specially mark Jewish passports so they could turn them away. They fucking very well sent them off to death like a bunch of barbaric fuckwits.

Because the Swiss had so many options to stand their ground against the Nazis. :roll:
Nah, but you argued that Palestinians are barbaric with no standing metric or any basis in reality while the Israelis, who do the same shit they do, are "civilized".

>gay men are executed
>selling land to Jews entails execution
>destroys copies of books written by women (and that's only the beginning when it comes to women's rights)
>use of torture is permissible by law enforcement

There comes a point when this should be considered too much.


Hamas was an Israeli plant to undercut the secular Fatah. Its their fault.
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:13 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Because the Swiss had so many options to stand their ground against the Nazis. :roll:

>gay men are executed
>selling land to Jews entails execution
>destroys copies of books written by women (and that's only the beginning when it comes to women's rights)
>use of torture is permissible by law enforcement

There comes a point when this should be considered too much.


Hamas was an Israeli plant to undercut the secular Fatah. Its their fault.

And do the Palestinian people have a chance in removing this alleged plant, or are they content in letting it blossom?
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Mar 30, 2018 7:24 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:The Swiss specifically were involved in getting the Nazi government to specially mark Jewish passports so they could turn them away. They fucking very well sent them off to death like a bunch of barbaric fuckwits.

Because the Swiss had so many options to stand their ground against the Nazis. :roll:


Oh, they could've. It's not like Hitler wasn't against violating the neutrality of other countries or anything. There's a reason he didn't violate Switzerland's, and it's not because they turned away some Jewish people. :^)

Nah, but you argued that Palestinians are barbaric with no standing metric or any basis in reality while the Israelis, who do the same shit they do, are "civilized".

>gay men are executed
>selling land to Jews entails execution
>destroys copies of books written by women (and that's only the beginning when it comes to women's rights)
>use of torture is permissible by law enforcement

There comes a point when this should be considered too much.


Okay, now you've come up with an actual reason as to why Palestine has barbaric traits. Good on you.

This doesn't excuse Israel's Apartheid against them.
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Postby Aulus Maximus » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:45 am

Rio Cana wrote:All this hate on both sides and the thing is that going back to ancient times both sides are related to Abraham. Abraham s first son Ishmael line ends up becoming the Arab people. One of his other sons Isaac, 14 years later and with a different wife, ends up becoming the Israeli people. Which means Israelis and Arabs are half related.

That's according to folklore, it isn't sure according to historical sources. Whilst it may be nice to promote some mutual acceptance, it has no historical basis.
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Painisia
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Postby Painisia » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:47 am

To be honest, the UK is the main reason why The Middle East is a conflict-infested place today
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Postby Aulus Maximus » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:48 am


Disgusting. Israeli army disgusts me sometimes.
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Postby Aulus Maximus » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:49 am

Painisia wrote:To be honest, the UK is the main reason why The Middle East is a conflict-infested place today

Yes, UK and France with their Syse-Pickot agreement had a lot of influence on the current political situation in the Middle East.

But that doesn't solve the problems we have now.
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Postby Painisia » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:52 am

Aulus Maximus wrote:
Painisia wrote:To be honest, the UK is the main reason why The Middle East is a conflict-infested place today

Yes, UK and France with their Syse-Pickot agreement had a lot of influence on the current political situation in the Middle East.

But that doesn't solve the problems we have now.

I think we have to redraw the map of the Middle East. Land for the Kurds, land for the Shias, land for the Sunnis and land for the jews
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Aulus Maximus
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Postby Aulus Maximus » Sat Mar 31, 2018 2:54 am

Painisia wrote:
Aulus Maximus wrote:Yes, UK and France with their Syse-Pickot agreement had a lot of influence on the current political situation in the Middle East.

But that doesn't solve the problems we have now.

I think we have to redraw the map of the Middle East. Land for the Kurds, land for the Shias, land for the Sunnis and land for the jews

I think the population should decide that for themselves. The Mid-East is more complicated than merely ethnical/religious groups. Tribal roots play an important role as well.

The best the West can do is not intervening with internal policies in the Middle East. Our logic does not apply to the Middle East.
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Postby Auze » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:31 am

MERIZoC wrote:
Auze wrote:And your point is?

your views on the topic are morally reprehensible

How so? I think both sides should not get away for their crimes. Is fairness now morally reprehensible?
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Postby Thermodolia » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:32 am


Israel just needs to straight up annex all of Palestine. And a few other places, Greater Israel should be a thing
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Postby Auze » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:33 am

Mujahidah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Because the Swiss had so many options to stand their ground against the Nazis. :roll:

>gay men are executed
>selling land to Jews entails execution
>destroys copies of books written by women (and that's only the beginning when it comes to women's rights)
>use of torture is permissible by law enforcement

There comes a point when this should be considered too much.


Hamas was an Israeli plant to undercut the secular Fatah. Its their fault.

Any evidence for that claim?
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Postby Auze » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:36 am

Thermodolia wrote:

Israel just needs to straight up annex all of Palestine. And a few other places, Greater Israel should be a thing

If I recall, the reason they don't is that the Arab population is large enough that it would make the Jews a minority in their own country.
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Postby Tolkland » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:36 am

How about we just support Assad in fighting off Kurds, FSA, ISIS, and the Israelis?
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Postby Auze » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:38 am

Tolkland wrote:How about we just support Assad in fighting off Kurds, FSA, ISIS, and the Israelis?

Why the Kurds and Israelis? Or more specifically, why the Kurds? I already know what you are gonna say for Israelis.
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:38 am

Tolkland wrote:How about we just support Assad in fighting off Kurds, FSA, ISIS, and the Israelis?


How about we support the Kurds in forming their anarcho-socislist society in the Middle East and not support Assad?
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:39 am

Tolkland wrote:How about we just support Assad in fighting off Kurds, FSA, ISIS, and the Israelis?

And what'll that do? He's still a war criminal no matter what
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Postby Auze » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:40 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Tolkland wrote:How about we just support Assad in fighting off Kurds, FSA, ISIS, and the Israelis?

And what'll that do? He's still a war criminal no matter what

And why do we need to help Assad fight off the Farm Service Agency?
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Postby Socialist Czechia » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:40 am

Painisia wrote:
Aulus Maximus wrote:Yes, UK and France with their Syse-Pickot agreement had a lot of influence on the current political situation in the Middle East.

But that doesn't solve the problems we have now.

I think we have to redraw the map of the Middle East. Land for the Kurds, land for the Shias, land for the Sunnis and land for the jews


I think to do that, you must heavily support Kurds and Shias and Alawites (and other minorities) against Turks and Sunni Arabs.

Like, really support.

Send an army and unending series of air strikes and declare total war, at least to Islamist Turkey and Wahhabist Arabia.
Fanatical Sunnis are the main core of the problem here.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:41 am

Torrocca wrote:
Tolkland wrote:How about we just support Assad in fighting off Kurds, FSA, ISIS, and the Israelis?


How about we support the Kurds in forming their anarcho-socislist society in the Middle East and not support Assad?

Because the last time the Kurds tried to create their own country, they persecuted non-Kurds in the region.
And besides, no. The Kurds are Muslims, they should have an Islamic gov just like every other Muslim-majority country.
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Postby Torrocca » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:41 am

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
How about we support the Kurds in forming their anarcho-socislist society in the Middle East and not support Assad?

Because the last time the Kurds tried to create their own country, they persecuted non-Kurds in the region.
And besides, no. The Kurds are Muslims, they should have an Islamic gov just like every other Muslim-majority country.


Eww no, secular societies are better.
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:42 am

Socialist Czechia wrote:
Painisia wrote:I think we have to redraw the map of the Middle East. Land for the Kurds, land for the Shias, land for the Sunnis and land for the jews


I think to do that, you must heavily support Kurds and Shias and Alawites (and other minorities) against Turks and Sunni Arabs.

Like, really support.

Send an army and unending series of air strikes and declare total war, at least to Islamist Turkey and Wahhabist Arabia.
Fanatical Sunnis are the main core of the problem here.

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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Sat Mar 31, 2018 7:43 am

Torrocca wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:Because the last time the Kurds tried to create their own country, they persecuted non-Kurds in the region.
And besides, no. The Kurds are Muslims, they should have an Islamic gov just like every other Muslim-majority country.


Eww no, secular societies are better.

Then do so in Dar al-Kufr, not Dar Al-Islam.
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