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What faction(s) do you support in the Syrian civil war? Check any that apply

Syrian government/SAA
98
18%
Syrian Democratic Forces/YPG
124
22%
Tahrir al-Sham (Nusra)
10
2%
Ahrar al-Sham/other opposition
14
3%
Turkey/TFSA
20
4%
ISIS
17
3%
Hezbollah
40
7%
Russia
55
10%
United States/NATO/Israel
130
23%
Iran
49
9%
 
Total votes : 557

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Kubumba Tribe
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:10 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Kubumba Tribe wrote:"Schoolyard bully" is an understatement.


"School Shooter" would be more accurate with the school analogy

Exactly!
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:10 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Your disdain for civilization is regrettable.


>Israel
>Civilization

By equating these two you are showing that you are the one that hates civilization. Israel is merely a school yard bully. Nothing laudable about that.

Remind me of that when homosexuality is legalized in Palestine (or any human rights for that matter).
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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:11 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
>Israel
>Civilization

By equating these two you are showing that you are the one that hates civilization. Israel is merely a school yard bully. Nothing laudable about that.

Remind me of that when homosexuality is legalized in Palestine.


Blowing up kids playing soccer is the pinnacle of civilization to you, then. I guess you're a staunch ISIS advocate, then.
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Auze
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Postby Auze » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:15 pm

Israel and Palestine are competing to see how unlikeable they can be and still have people support either of them alone. News at 11.
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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:15 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
>Israel
>Civilization

By equating these two you are showing that you are the one that hates civilization. Israel is merely a school yard bully. Nothing laudable about that.

Remind me of that when homosexuality is legalized in Palestine (or any human rights for that matter).


Blowing up innocent school children, sniping kids at a border, pushing people deeper into the desert to establish more settler colonies: civilization.

Existing on your native land for thousands of years, getting colonized by westerners, being forced by western powers to abandon your homes because a whole new civilization is being forced into existence on your land by the major powers of the world: barbarity.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:15 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Remind me of that when homosexuality is legalized in Palestine.


Blowing up kids playing soccer is the pinnacle of civilization to you, then. I guess you're a staunch ISIS advocate, then.

Civilization is a domestic thing. If it were applied to foreign policy, only the Swiss would qualify.
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Kubumba Tribe
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Postby Kubumba Tribe » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:17 pm

Auze wrote:Israel and Palestine are competing to see how unlikeable they can be and still have people support either of them alone. News at 11.

Falasteen isn't competing for that.
Pro: (Pan-)Islamism--Palestine--RBG--Choice to an extent--Giving land back to Native Americans--East--Afrika--etc.
Anti: US gov--West gov--Capitalism--Imperialism/Colonialism--Racism/White Supremacy--Secularism getting into everything--Western 'intervention' in the East--Zionism--etc.
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Farnhamia wrote:A word of advice from your friendly neighborhood Mod, be careful how you use "kafir." It's derogatory usage by some people can get you in trouble unless you are very careful in setting the context for it's use.

This means we can use the word, just not in a bad way. So don't punish anyone who uses kafir.

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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:19 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Blowing up kids playing soccer is the pinnacle of civilization to you, then. I guess you're a staunch ISIS advocate, then.

Civilization is a domestic thing. If it were applied to foreign policy, only the Swiss would qualify.


>Export Jewish people to the Nazis
>"civilized"

Yeah nah
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:20 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Remind me of that when homosexuality is legalized in Palestine (or any human rights for that matter).


Blowing up innocent school children, sniping kids at a border, pushing people deeper into the desert to establish more settler colonies: civilization.

Existing on your native land for thousands of years, getting colonized by westerners, being forced by western powers to abandon your homes because a whole new civilization is being forced into existence on your land by the major powers of the world: barbarity.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Do you honestly believe Palestine is innocent in the act of child-killing?
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Mujahidah
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Founded: Mar 03, 2018
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:20 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Blowing up kids playing soccer is the pinnacle of civilization to you, then. I guess you're a staunch ISIS advocate, then.

Civilization is a domestic thing. If it were applied to foreign policy, only the Swiss would qualify.


Acting like barbaric thugs to the very people you stole land from is not acting civilized.
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The Parkus Empire wrote:I am not sure I'm entirely comfortable with a woman being this well informed, but I'll try not to judge.
The Parkus Empire wrote:Ah, m'lady, if I were a heathen I'd wed thee four times

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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:20 pm

Auze wrote:Israel and Palestine are competing to see how unlikeable they can be and still have people support either of them alone. News at 11.

"both sides do it," I say, looking at a massacre

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Torrocca
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Founded: Dec 01, 2011
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:21 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
Blowing up innocent school children, sniping kids at a border, pushing people deeper into the desert to establish more settler colonies: civilization.

Existing on your native land for thousands of years, getting colonized by westerners, being forced by western powers to abandon your homes because a whole new civilization is being forced into existence on your land by the major powers of the world: barbarity.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Do you honestly believe Palestine is innocent in the act of child-killing?


No, but pretending one society of being civilized despite slaughtering children while in the same breath declaring another society barbaric for the same thing is pretty hypocritic I'd say. :^)
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Reikoku
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Founded: Apr 01, 2017
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Postby Reikoku » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:24 pm

Mujahidah wrote:Blowing up kids playing soccer is the pinnacle of civilization to you, then.


When did they do this?

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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:24 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Civilization is a domestic thing. If it were applied to foreign policy, only the Swiss would qualify.


>Export Jewish people to the Nazis
>"civilized"

Yeah nah

Were there not Jews living in Germany's own borders? Especially when those borders expanded via conquest?
Mujahidah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Civilization is a domestic thing. If it were applied to foreign policy, only the Swiss would qualify.


Acting like barbaric thugs to the very people you stole land from is not acting civilized.

That's pretty standard, actually. The Romans gave us the precedent for doing so.
Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Do you honestly believe Palestine is innocent in the act of child-killing?


No, but pretending one society of being civilized despite slaughtering children while in the same breath declaring another society barbaric for the same thing is pretty hypocritic I'd say. :^)

Israel offers some hope for scientific progress, gender equality, and secularism in the Middle East. Anything else is a preference to regression.
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Conserative Morality wrote:"Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Hoppe."

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Auze
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Founded: Oct 31, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Auze » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:26 pm

Kubumba Tribe wrote:
Auze wrote:Israel and Palestine are competing to see how unlikeable they can be and still have people support either of them alone. News at 11.

Falasteen isn't competing for that.

Yes, they are.
I'm not saying Israel is innocent, but saying that Palestine is a oppressed victim that never did a wrong think in its existence is blatantly false.
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Hello, I'm an Latter-day Saint kid from South Carolina!
In case you're wondering, it's pronounced ['ɑ.ziː].
My political views are best described as "incoherent"

Anyway, how about a game?
[spoiler=Views I guess]RIP LWDT & RWDT. Y'all did not go gentle into that good night.
In general I am a Centrist

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Auze
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Founded: Oct 31, 2015
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Postby Auze » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:27 pm

MERIZoC wrote:
Auze wrote:Israel and Palestine are competing to see how unlikeable they can be and still have people support either of them alone. News at 11.

"both sides do it," I say, looking at a massacre

And your point is?
Hello, I'm an Latter-day Saint kid from South Carolina!
In case you're wondering, it's pronounced ['ɑ.ziː].
My political views are best described as "incoherent"

Anyway, how about a game?
[spoiler=Views I guess]RIP LWDT & RWDT. Y'all did not go gentle into that good night.
In general I am a Centrist

I disown most of my previous posts (with a few exceptions)

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Reikoku
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Postby Reikoku » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:28 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Civilization is a domestic thing. If it were applied to foreign policy, only the Swiss would qualify.


Acting like barbaric thugs to the very people you stole land from is not acting civilized.


The people launching rockets into Israel, sending suicide bombers, and targeting Jewish children?

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:30 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
>Export Jewish people to the Nazis
>"civilized"

Yeah nah

Were there not Jews living in Germany's own borders? Especially when those borders expanded via conquest?


The fuck does that have to do with Switzerland and your dumb claim that they're civilized when it comes to foreign policy when contrary to that claim they sent off Jewish people to die to Nazi hands?

Torrocca wrote:
No, but pretending one society of being civilized despite slaughtering children while in the same breath declaring another society barbaric for the same thing is pretty hypocritic I'd say. :^)

Israel offers some hope for scientific progress, gender equality, and secularism in the Middle East. Anything else is a preference to regression.


>Calling an entire oppressed people regressive

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Mujahidah
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Postby Mujahidah » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:30 pm

Reikoku wrote:
Mujahidah wrote:
Acting like barbaric thugs to the very people you stole land from is not acting civilized.


The people launching rockets into Israel, sending suicide bombers, and targeting Jewish children?


>Being this Zionist

Do you read anything that isn't fucking propaganda?
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:33 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:Were there not Jews living in Germany's own borders? Especially when those borders expanded via conquest?


The fuck does that have to do with Switzerland and your dumb claim that they're civilized when it comes to foreign policy when contrary to that claim they sent off Jewish people to die to Nazi hands?

Israel offers some hope for scientific progress, gender equality, and secularism in the Middle East. Anything else is a preference to regression.


>Calling an entire oppressed people regressive

w e w l a d d i e

1. I can't seem to find much information on Switzerland exporting Jews. Care to enlighten me?
2. If it hadn't occurred to you before, being oppressed does not make you progressive, although I can fully understand why you'd believe as much.
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Auze
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Founded: Oct 31, 2015
Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Auze » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:36 pm

Mujahidah wrote:
Reikoku wrote:
The people launching rockets into Israel, sending suicide bombers, and targeting Jewish children?


>Being this Zionist

Do you read anything that isn't fucking propaganda?

Considering you said the same about israel, do you?
Hello, I'm an Latter-day Saint kid from South Carolina!
In case you're wondering, it's pronounced ['ɑ.ziː].
My political views are best described as "incoherent"

Anyway, how about a game?
[spoiler=Views I guess]RIP LWDT & RWDT. Y'all did not go gentle into that good night.
In general I am a Centrist

I disown most of my previous posts (with a few exceptions)

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Torrocca
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Postby Torrocca » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:36 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
The fuck does that have to do with Switzerland and your dumb claim that they're civilized when it comes to foreign policy when contrary to that claim they sent off Jewish people to die to Nazi hands?



>Calling an entire oppressed people regressive

w e w l a d d i e

1. I can't seem to find much information on Switzerland exporting Jews. Care to enlighten me?


From the Swiss government itself.

2. If it hadn't occurred to you before, being oppressed does not make you progressive, although I can fully understand why you'd believe as much.


Being oppressed doesn't make you barbaric, either. So cut the shit.
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Northern Davincia
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Postby Northern Davincia » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:43 pm

Torrocca wrote:
Northern Davincia wrote:1. I can't seem to find much information on Switzerland exporting Jews. Care to enlighten me?


From the Swiss government itself.

2. If it hadn't occurred to you before, being oppressed does not make you progressive, although I can fully understand why you'd believe as much.


Being oppressed doesn't make you barbaric, either. So cut the shit.

All I can see is that the Swiss turned away refugees, which is hardly equivalent to exporting them (and it's not like they had many options to begin).
And furthermore, I never argued that being oppressed makes one barbaric. Barbarism is a separate quality.
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MERIZoC
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Postby MERIZoC » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:47 pm

Auze wrote:
MERIZoC wrote:"both sides do it," I say, looking at a massacre

And your point is?

your views on the topic are morally reprehensible

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Torrocca
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Torrocca » Fri Mar 30, 2018 6:53 pm

Northern Davincia wrote:
Torrocca wrote:
From the Swiss government itself.



Being oppressed doesn't make you barbaric, either. So cut the shit.

All I can see is that the Swiss turned away refugees, which is hardly equivalent to exporting them (and it's not like they had many options to begin).


The Swiss specifically were involved in getting the Nazi government to specially mark Jewish passports so they could turn them away. They fucking very well sent them off to death like a bunch of barbaric fuckwits.

And furthermore, I never argued that being oppressed makes one barbaric. Barbarism is a separate quality.


Nah, but you argued that Palestinians are barbaric with no standing metric or any basis in reality while the Israelis, who do the same shit they do, are "civilized".
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NOTICE 1: Anything depicted IC on this nation does NOT reflect my IRL views or values, and is not endorsed by me.
NOTICE 2: Most RP and every OOC post by me prior to 2023 are no longer endorsed nor tolerated by me. I've since put on my adult pants!
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