Middle East Conflict Megathread (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc)

[Mujahidah]

Guys knock it off before moderation comes down here. This isn't about Shofercia's ignore list or reporting habits. Talk about conflict stuff or just go to your own corners and cool off.

[Shofercia]

Guys knock it off before moderation comes down here. This isn't about Shofercia's ignore list or reporting habits. Talk about conflict stuff or just go to your own corners and cool off.

Thank you! So, going back on topic - what's your opinion on Libya?

[The East Marches II]

Guys knock it off before moderation comes down here. This isn't about Shofercia's ignore list or reporting habits. Talk about conflict stuff or just go to your own corners and cool off.

Thank you! So, going back on topic - what's your opinion on Libya?

The Russians got played and Qaddafi got ghosted. We had our tin pot guy set up and but we decided they could try democracy.

He was no Saddam though, he gave up his special weapons and still got merc'd like a punk. :^]

[Mike the Progressive]

Guys knock it off before moderation comes down here. This isn't about Shofercia's ignore list or reporting habits. Talk about conflict stuff or just go to your own corners and cool off.

Thank you! So, going back on topic - what's your opinion on Libya?

Great country. Paradise on earth.

[The Parkus Empire]

Thank you! So, going back on topic - what's your opinion on Libya?

The Russians got played and Qaddafi got ghosted. We had our tin pot guy set up and but we decided they could try democracy.

He was no Saddam though, he gave up his special weapons and still got merc'd like a punk. :^]

Saddam had none :^)

[Shofercia]

Thank you! So, going back on topic - what's your opinion on Libya?

Great country. Paradise on earth.

You're... back? It's been ages lol

[The East Marches II]

The Russians got played and Qaddafi got ghosted. We had our tin pot guy set up and but we decided they could try democracy.

He was no Saddam though, he gave up his special weapons and still got merc'd like a punk. :^]

Saddam had none :^)

>mfw

[Aulus Maximus]

Guys knock it off before moderation comes down here. This isn't about Shofercia's ignore list or reporting habits. Talk about conflict stuff or just go to your own corners and cool off.

Thank you! So, going back on topic - what's your opinion on Libya?

Better slave trade than the America's during the 19th century

[Improved werpland]

Only 10% of West Libyan voters want the Gaddafis back.

Maybe it’s time to accept we did the right thing?

[Shofercia]

Only 10% of West Libyan voters want the Gaddafis back.

Maybe it’s time to accept we did the right thing?

From the title: Opinion poll show little support in western Libya for new elections or Saif Al-Islam; strong support for new constitution and disbanding militias

Opinion poll in the South clearly showed that the people didn't want Obama as president. According to your logic, perhaps we should accept that abandoning the racist policies known as Jim Crow was a failure /sarcasm

[Mike the Progressive]

Great country. Paradise on earth.

You're... back? It's been ages lol

It's actually your.
I know it's actually not
Yes, if I recall correctly we were arguing about Ukraine. Good to see you still haven't changed

[Shofercia]

You're... back? It's been ages lol

It's actually your.
I know it's actually not
Yes, if I recall correctly we were arguing about Ukraine. Good to see you still haven't changed

I thought we were arguing about Dissy

(Kids these days, forget what we argued over!)

Also, I think we had an epic argument about Nixon at one point.

[MERIZoC]

my take?

Ghadaffi was good until he got ugly. That's politics, baby.

[Mike the Progressive]

It's actually your.
I know it's actually not
Yes, if I recall correctly we were arguing about Ukraine. Good to see you still haven't changed

I thought we were arguing about Dissy

(Kids these days, forget what we argued over!)

Also, I think we had an epic argument about Nixon at one point.

I've had so many arguments over Nixon over the years, it's all globed together into one stinking giant pile of steamy, hot sunshine.

[Socialist Czechia]

Only 10% of West Libyan voters want the Gaddafis back.

Maybe it’s time to accept we did the right thing?

Now only Tobruk government is a thing.

[Shofercia]

I thought we were arguing about Dissy

(Kids these days, forget what we argued over!)

Also, I think we had an epic argument about Nixon at one point.

I've had so many arguments over Nixon over the years, it's all globed together into one stinking giant pile of steamy, hot sunshine.

Since we'll have to come back to topic eventually, what's your opinion on Nixon's Middle East Policy?

[Improved werpland]

Only 10% of West Libyan voters want the Gaddafis back.

Maybe it’s time to accept we did the right thing?

From the title: Opinion poll show little support in western Libya for new elections or Saif Al-Islam; strong support for new constitution and disbanding militias

Opinion poll in the South clearly showed that the people didn't want Obama as president. According to your logic, perhaps we should accept that abandoning the racist policies known as Jim Crow was a failure /sarcasm

In fact western Libya was where all the Gaddafi loyalists were at, so the opposite would be true. It seems likely they'd show even less support if the rest of the country were factored in the poll.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Only 10% of West Libyan voters want the Gaddafis back.

Maybe it’s time to accept we did the right thing?

The amount of people who want to put the old leaders back in charge doesn't always correlate to the amount of people who think it was a mistake to get rid of those leaders in the first place. For example, you get radically different numbers of people voting for the Communist Party in Russia compared to the amount who say the dissolution of the USSR was a mistake.

[Sovaal]

Only 10% of West Libyan voters want the Gaddafis back.

Maybe it’s time to accept we did the right thing?

From the title: Opinion poll show little support in western Libya for new elections or Saif Al-Islam; strong support for new constitution and disbanding militias

Opinion poll in the South clearly showed that the people didn't want Obama as president. According to your logic, perhaps we should accept that abandoning the racist policies known as Jim Crow was a failure /sarcasm

Ok, I An agree with the core of your message, but what the fuck o ovama and fucking Jim Corw have o do with each other? Obama was still a child/teen during the civil rights movement last I checked

[Washington Resistance Army]

From the title: Opinion poll show little support in western Libya for new elections or Saif Al-Islam; strong support for new constitution and disbanding militias

Opinion poll in the South clearly showed that the people didn't want Obama as president. According to your logic, perhaps we should accept that abandoning the racist policies known as Jim Crow was a failure /sarcasm

Ok, I An agree with the core of your message, but what the fuck o ovama and fucking Jim Corw have o do with each other? Obama was still a child/teen during the civil rights movement last I checked

Sovaal buddy, proof read

[Shofercia]

From the title: Opinion poll show little support in western Libya for new elections or Saif Al-Islam; strong support for new constitution and disbanding militias

Opinion poll in the South clearly showed that the people didn't want Obama as president. According to your logic, perhaps we should accept that abandoning the racist policies known as Jim Crow was a failure /sarcasm

Ok, I An agree with the core of your message, but what the fuck o ovama and fucking Jim Corw have o do with each other? Obama was still a child/teen during the civil rights movement last I checked

My point was that regional opinion polls do not speak for the nation as a whole, and that terrorizing people to promote slavery does not spread Democracy. What's going on in Libya right now, after certain NATO member states toppled Ghadaffi, is worse than the South's Jim Crow.

Obama was the most popular Democrat President, (or presidential candidate from DNC,) of the 21st Century. That's why he makes a good example as to why everyone should be given the chance to lead, irrespective of their skin color. Meanwhile, the Libyans that some brought to power, are promoting slavery: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/ ... 02048.html

Hundreds of African refugees are being bought and sold in "slave markets" across Libya every week, a human trafficker has told Al Jazeera, with many of them held for ransom or forced into prostitution and sexual exploitation to pay their captors and smugglers. Many of them ended up being murdered by their smugglers in the open desert or die from thirst or car accidents in the vast Libyan desert, said Salman*, the human trafficker.

Obama, personally, has nothing to do with Jim Crow in that post.

[United Muscovite Nations]

Ok, I An agree with the core of your message, but what the fuck o ovama and fucking Jim Corw have o do with each other? Obama was still a child/teen during the civil rights movement last I checked

My point was that regional opinion polls do not speak for the nation as a whole, and that terrorizing people to promote slavery does not spread Democracy. What's going on in Libya right now, after certain NATO member states toppled Ghadaffi, is worse than the South's Jim Crow.

Obama was the most popular Democrat President, (or presidential candidate from DNC,) of the 21st Century. That's why he makes a good example as to why everyone should be given the chance to lead, irrespective of their skin color. Meanwhile, the Libyans that some brought to power, are promoting slavery: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/ ... 02048.html

Hundreds of African refugees are being bought and sold in "slave markets" across Libya every week, a human trafficker has told Al Jazeera, with many of them held for ransom or forced into prostitution and sexual exploitation to pay their captors and smugglers. Many of them ended up being murdered by their smugglers in the open desert or die from thirst or car accidents in the vast Libyan desert, said Salman*, the human trafficker.

Obama, personally, has nothing to do with Jim Crow in that post.

That's not very impressive considering he's the only Democrat President of the 21st Century.

[Shofercia]

From the title: Opinion poll show little support in western Libya for new elections or Saif Al-Islam; strong support for new constitution and disbanding militias

Opinion poll in the South clearly showed that the people didn't want Obama as president. According to your logic, perhaps we should accept that abandoning the racist policies known as Jim Crow was a failure /sarcasm

In fact western Libya was where all the Gaddafi loyalists were at, so the opposite would be true. It seems likely they'd show even less support if the rest of the country were factored in the poll.

I'm not sure if you're aware of this, but people move during Civil Wars. According to one of the maps,

the West is actually very anti-Ghadaffi. That's if we take the current population into account. In 1991, there were 194,190 Serbs living in Kosovo. Today it's less than 26,000. As a result, pro-Serb parties are probably not going to get the same support they once had in Kosovo. Especially if they have trade-able organs.

[Shofercia]

My point was that regional opinion polls do not speak for the nation as a whole, and that terrorizing people to promote slavery does not spread Democracy. What's going on in Libya right now, after certain NATO member states toppled Ghadaffi, is worse than the South's Jim Crow.

Obama was the most popular Democrat President, (or presidential candidate from DNC,) of the 21st Century. That's why he makes a good example as to why everyone should be given the chance to lead, irrespective of their skin color. Meanwhile, the Libyans that some brought to power, are promoting slavery: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/11/ ... 02048.html



Obama, personally, has nothing to do with Jim Crow in that post.

That's not very impressive considering he's the only Democrat President of the 21st Century.

Nope, he wasn't. Clinton was president in the 21st century. His term ended on January 20, 2001, plus the other option was going with JFK or FDR, and that would've been even more confusing

[Mike the Progressive]

I've had so many arguments over Nixon over the years, it's all globed together into one stinking giant pile of steamy, hot sunshine.

Since we'll have to come back to topic eventually, what's your opinion on Nixon's Middle East Policy?

I liked that he wasn't bullied by Israel or American Jews. And that his support wasn't unconditional. I also think it was wise to oppose any unilateral action by the USSR to send in forces, which would have changed the conflict from proxy to possibly direct. And re-establishing relations with Egypt was definitely a plus. Rarely does ignoring somebody you dislike solve anything.