Middle East Conflict Megathread (Syria, Iraq, Yemen, etc)

[Alsheb]

Uh... Israel has beaten the Arabs in like 6 wars.

It is because Egypt has been a failure among our nations I mean every Arab nation from Morocco to Oman if we all united as one we could indeed defeat Israel

Which is never going to happen because your Saudi friends are fucking cooperating with Tel Aviv

[Alsheb]

well, of the majority of the Persian Supremacist Parties, the following are also anti-islam: Pan-Iranist Party, Nation Party of Iran, National Front, and SUMKA.
there are no other major Persian Supremacist factions either lmao.

I know this but the Shiia religion/sect is a Persian supramacist movement

For the first milennium of its existance, Shia Islam was a majority Arab religion.

Do you even think before you type anything? Do you honestly believe Imams Ali, Hassan and Husayn to have been "Persian supremacists"?

[Alsheb]

Hi. Yeah. I'm outside Iran. Khomeini > the Shah

Hi yeah.
To most people inside Iran (and this number is increasing) Khomeini was a thousand times worse than Shah on his worst day lmao.

Nonsense. Under the Shah, the country was nothing but a poverty-ridden brothel of the West. To deny the advances in basically every aspect of human development made after the Revolution is ridiculous.

[Shurjah]

Maybe not to Iranians but outside Iran they are animal fuckers

Hi. Yeah. I'm outside Iran. Khomeini > the Shah

You do realize I mean their military and government oppress outside Iran

[Shurjah]

I know this but the Shiia religion/sect is a Persian supramacist movement

For the first milennium of its existance, Shia Islam was a majority Arab religion.

Do you even think before you type anything? Do you honestly believe Imams Ali, Hassan and Husayn to have been "Persian supremacists"?

Shiia in its early existance is not the same as it was after the Persian take over of the sect

[Shurjah]

Hi yeah.
To most people inside Iran (and this number is increasing) Khomeini was a thousand times worse than Shah on his worst day lmao.

Nonsense. Under the Shah, the country was nothing but a poverty-ridden brothel of the West. To deny the advances in basically every aspect of human development made after the Revolution is ridiculous.

You just hate it because you love oppression of Arab Muslims

[Shurjah]

Hi. Yeah. I'm outside Iran. Khomeini > the Shah

Hi yeah.
To most people inside Iran (and this number is increasing) Khomeini was a thousand times worse than Shah on his worst day lmao.

Do you live in Iran just curious

[Shurjah]

It is because Egypt has been a failure among our nations I mean every Arab nation from Morocco to Oman if we all united as one we could indeed defeat Israel

Which is never going to happen because your Saudi friends are fucking cooperating with Tel Aviv

I have never been to KSA I do not like the royal family and I have nothing to do with them I just will not condemn them for their retirbution on Huthiyun

[Qandaristania]

Recognising 'ISIS or WASWAS' as a great title, but merged with this thread all the same.

I am humbly honored to be recognized as a fellow contributor to NSG.

Btw the Ayatolla is a tyrant, just like most of Middle Eastern leaders. While it cannot be denied that Iran has contributed to the deaths of countless Sunnis, the Gulf States are not better. Their tug-of-war has killed a lot of Muslims in the region and for that they'll both be damned.

[Qandaristania]

Which is never going to happen because your Saudi friends are fucking cooperating with Tel Aviv

I have never been to KSA I do not like the royal family and I have nothing to do with them I just will not condemn them for their retirbution on Huthiyun

With all due respect brother instead of bombing Houthi targets KSA is bombing hospitals and schools in the country and an Emirati naval blockade has led to milions of Yemenis starving.

[Shurjah]

I have never been to KSA I do not like the royal family and I have nothing to do with them I just will not condemn them for their retirbution on Huthiyun

With all due respect brother instead of bombing Houthi targets KSA is bombing hospitals and schools in the country and an Emirati naval blockade has led to milions of Yemenis starving.

Those hospitals treat Huthiyun fighters not civilians and they use human shields and the "blockade" is to protect Yemen from Iranian missiles and guns

[Durin VII]

Can somebody possibly explain to me why Saudi-Arabia is so terrible at the geopolitical game? I mean, sure they lost Iraq, failed miserably in Syria and aren't exactly booking much progress in Yemen; But why on earth are they willingly pushing nations (Qatar & Lebanon) into Iranian hands?

Personally I don't have a problem with that at all as I favour Iran a thousand times over Saudi-Arabia, but I just don't understand. Is there something I'm missing or are they really this stupid?

[Pilarcraft]

Hi yeah.
To most people inside Iran (and this number is increasing) Khomeini was a thousand times worse than Shah on his worst day lmao.

Nonsense. Under the Shah, the country was nothing but a poverty-ridden brothel of the West. To deny the advances in basically every aspect of human development made after the Revolution is ridiculous.

First off, Technically speaking that is bullshit. Iran's economy and HDI have both fell after the revolution. the majority of that was because there was a war, an extensive terror campaign, and poor infrastructure after shah left, but after the war ended (and Khomeini Died), when Iran started becoming a little liberal under Khatami, Iran started returning to a state almost as good as before Khomeini.
So no. The Revolution did not, in fact, have any good result for us Iranians.
Of course, Shah himself sucked as a ruler, but it was neither poverty-ridden nor a brothel (at least, until the last couple of years)

[United Islamic Commonwealth]

Nonsense. Under the Shah, the country was nothing but a poverty-ridden brothel of the West. To deny the advances in basically every aspect of human development made after the Revolution is ridiculous.

First off, Technically speaking that is bullshit. Iran's economy and HDI have both fell after the revolution. the majority of that was because there was a war, an extensive terror campaign, and poor infrastructure after shah left, but after the war ended (and Khomeini Died), when Iran started becoming a little liberal under Khatami, Iran started returning to a state almost as good as before Khomeini.
So no. The Revolution did not, in fact, have any good result for us Iranians.
Of course, Shah himself sucked as a ruler, but it was neither poverty-ridden nor a brothel (at least, until the last couple of years)

Well, for example, there is the literacy rate of post-revolution Iran compared to it under the Shah.

[Herador]

First off, Technically speaking that is bullshit. Iran's economy and HDI have both fell after the revolution. the majority of that was because there was a war, an extensive terror campaign, and poor infrastructure after shah left, but after the war ended (and Khomeini Died), when Iran started becoming a little liberal under Khatami, Iran started returning to a state almost as good as before Khomeini.
So no. The Revolution did not, in fact, have any good result for us Iranians.
Of course, Shah himself sucked as a ruler, but it was neither poverty-ridden nor a brothel (at least, until the last couple of years)

Well, for example, there is the literacy rate of post-revolution Iran compared to it under the Shah.

Which is roughly in line with the world average.

[Pilarcraft]

Hi yeah.
To most people inside Iran (and this number is increasing) Khomeini was a thousand times worse than Shah on his worst day lmao.

Do you live in Iran just curious

strangely enough, yes. I do live in Iran. Is that relevant to this discussion?

[Herador]

Do you live in Iran just curious

strangely enough, yes. I do live in Iran. Is that relevant to this discussion?

No, but it is actually pretty interesting.

[Pilarcraft]

strangely enough, yes. I do live in Iran. Is that relevant to this discussion?

No, but it is actually pretty interesting.

if you say so

[Socialista Mozambique]

Can somebody possibly explain to me why Saudi-Arabia is so terrible at the geopolitical game? I mean, sure they lost Iraq, failed miserably in Syria and aren't exactly booking much progress in Yemen; But why on earth are they willingly pushing nations (Qatar & Lebanon) into Iranian hands?

Personally I don't have a problem with that at all as I favour Iran a thousand times over Saudi-Arabia, but I just don't understand. Is there something I'm missing or are they really this stupid?

That's actually a pretty good question. Their failure to exert meaningful influence in the Middle East does raise the question why they even bother. I guess when you have the US for an ally you can lose a lot before getting worked about it, and being a premier oil site allows for some leeway.

[Pilarcraft]

Can somebody possibly explain to me why Saudi-Arabia is so terrible at the geopolitical game? I mean, sure they lost Iraq, failed miserably in Syria and aren't exactly booking much progress in Yemen; But why on earth are they willingly pushing nations (Qatar & Lebanon) into Iranian hands?

Personally I don't have a problem with that at all as I favour Iran a thousand times over Saudi-Arabia, but I just don't understand. Is there something I'm missing or are they really this stupid?

That's actually a pretty good question. Their failure to exert meaningful influence in the Middle East does raise the question why they even bother. I guess when you have the US for an ally you can lose a lot before getting worked about it, and being a premier oil site allows for some leeway.

to be fair it's just the KSA's attempts at staying relevant, more than anything.
at least, in my opinoin.

[Socialista Mozambique]

to be fair it's just the KSA's attempts at staying relevant, more than anything.
at least, in my opinoin.

Yeah, back in the day they would plunge the world into an oil crisis to show how much they hated Israel.

[Alsheb]

Nonsense. Under the Shah, the country was nothing but a poverty-ridden brothel of the West. To deny the advances in basically every aspect of human development made after the Revolution is ridiculous.

You just hate it because you love oppression of Arab Muslims

What a load of nonsense. I work for an Arab online news outlet, with an Arab as my boss.

[Durin VII]

Can somebody possibly explain to me why Saudi-Arabia is so terrible at the geopolitical game? I mean, sure they lost Iraq, failed miserably in Syria and aren't exactly booking much progress in Yemen; But why on earth are they willingly pushing nations (Qatar & Lebanon) into Iranian hands?

Personally I don't have a problem with that at all as I favour Iran a thousand times over Saudi-Arabia, but I just don't understand. Is there something I'm missing or are they really this stupid?

That's actually a pretty good question. Their failure to exert meaningful influence in the Middle East does raise the question why they even bother. I guess when you have the US for an ally you can lose a lot before getting worked about it, and being a premier oil site allows for some leeway.

True. Something got me thinking while I was at it, was Saudi-Arabia ever good at this game? So far I can generally only think of them just throwing money at everything, just bribing nations to their will. The only meaningful exception would be the oil boycott they did along with OPEC back in the day when they still hated Israel.

[Socialista Mozambique]

True. Something got me thinking while I was at it, was Saudi-Arabia ever good at this game? So far I can generally only think of them just throwing money at everything, just bribing nations to their will. The only meaningful exception would be the oil boycott they did along with OPEC back in the day when they still hated Israel.

Saudi Arabia did fund Egypt to help rebuild their military after the Six-Day War, and I wouldn't be surprised if Saudi Arabia supported Iraq in the Iraq-Iran War.

[Pilarcraft]

True. Something got me thinking while I was at it, was Saudi-Arabia ever good at this game? So far I can generally only think of them just throwing money at everything, just bribing nations to their will. The only meaningful exception would be the oil boycott they did along with OPEC back in the day when they still hated Israel.

Saudi Arabia did fund Egypt to help rebuild their military after the Six-Day War, and I wouldn't be surprised if Saudi Arabia supported Iraq in the Iraq-Iran War.

Saudi Arabia didn't have that level of resources then, but they probably did. To be honest, there were a few countries in Middle east that didn't support Iraq.